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Russian Rocket-UFOs -- Decades of Pollution of UFO Data Base

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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:47 PM
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The recent discussions of the May 11 'Meridian' satellite launch in Russia and how it set off a major 'UFO flap' -- which was quickly dissipated by the proper prosaic explanation -- was fun to watch here on ATS. Posters demonstrated initiative and intelligence in tracking down the true cause. Well done.

It's also an opportunity to revisit Russian ufology in general -- since this exact same sky-stimulus had been sparking 'UFO panics' in the old Soviet Union for decades. But without the internet and without Moscow's official description of the truth about the formerly top-secret launchings, Russians fell into mass UFO enthusiasm -- based largely on these counterfeit UFOs.

The saddest part is that serious Western UFO researchers -- Hynek, Vallee, Knapp, Haines, and others -- also were suckered in by these masquerading 'IFOs'. The world's UFO data base was polluted -- and remains so -- by these explainable Soviet-era reports.

At least, that's the way I see it. Insights and views will be welcomed.



The Great Soviet UFO Coverup, By James E. Oberg
(First published in the MUFON UFO Journal, OCTOBER 1982)
www.debunker.com...
Russia has its UFOs, too - but with a difference. It has government coverups, too, and that is a central part of the difference. Cossacks in the Ukrainian countryside and sophisticated Muscovites on big city streets have stared in awe at UFO formations passing over.. Russian astronomers at mountaintop observatories have gazed in wonder at half-mile-wide crescent UFOs which silently glide across the sky. Flying along the Volga River, a commercial airliner was buzzed and circled by a UFO; the plane's engines stalled and it glided downwards, until the UFO departed and the engines restarted. Thousands of people in western port cities have run in panic as a "jellyfish UFO" swept over the docks, sending down shafts of light which broke windows and paving stones. Over the Arctic Ocean, the crew of an llyushin airliner watched a blindingly bright UFO emit beams of light and drop cone-shaped projectiles.


Giant UFO Over Two Continents, by James Oberg
First published in FATE Magazine, January, 1983
www.debunker.com...
Aerial apparition sparks panic in the streets, fears of nuclear attack and reports of extraterrestrial landings
ONE of the most spectacular and widely witnessed UFO apparitions of recent years occurred on the evening of Saturday, June 14, 1980. In its first phase it was widely seen in central Russia; Soviet ufologist Feliks Zigel was subsequently able to prepare a report based on detailed interviews with 40 eyewitnesses. In its second phase the UFO appeared one hour later over South America (at about 7:00 P.M. Argentine time) where it was seen in five countries and photographed in the western sky near the moon; this event was widely reported in the United States and was featured in a two-page International UFO Reporter analysis a few months later....

Soviet Saucers, By James Oberg
www.debunker.com...
(First published in OMNI Magazine, April 1994.)
Day after day, the waves of UFOs returned to southern Russia. Cossacks on horseback saw them high in the evening sky. Pilots aboard commercial airliners and military interceptors chased and dodged them. Astronomers at observatories in the Caucasus Mountains noted their crescent shape and their fiery companions.
It was the fall of 1967, and the Soviet Union was in the grip of its first major UFO flap. The extraordinary tales, described on Soviet television, reported in Soviet newspapers, and analyzed in a private nationwide UFO study group soon took on a life of their own.



Lecture program: "Soviet Saucers and Space Secrets"
In the opening years of the Space Age (the 1960s), the Soviet public was gripped by two big enthusiasms -- their country's pioneering feats in space exploration, and their country as host to visitations by space aliens aboard UFOs (only natural, since everybody knew that advanced societies anywhere would be communistic). This talk reveals for the first time how these two themes were secretly interwoven, as Soviet military missile and space activities accidentally sparked most of the most famous 'UFO flaps' in Russia -- and then how Moscow officials opportunistically adapted the 'UFO identity' as camouflage to divert and suppress public reports of strange lights in the sky (reports that could provide Western military intelligence services with key insights into features of the top-secret aerospace systems, some of them treaty-breaking, being witnessed in action by ordinary people all across the Soviet Union). Meanwhile, Western UFO experts enthusiastically embraced these faux-UFO reports as more evidence that "UFOs are real and Soviet cases prove it", with the delicious irony that while they railed against "government cover-ups" of UFO data in their own countries, they became unwitting dupes of a genuine Moscow military cover-up campaign (and many of them remain so long after the collapse of the Soviet Union). This talk presents decades of original research integrated into a narrative both fascinating and amusing, and after half a century of secrecy and deception, satisfyingly eye-opening.
In detail, the talk addresses the 'crescent-UFO' flap of 1967 (that revealed detailed maneuvers of the illegal space-to-ground nuclear weapons platform called FOBS), the 'jellyfish UFOs' that revealed the existence of the Plesetsk cosmodrome, the role that Russian space junk reentries had in sparking worldwide pilot reports, and the radar-visual and medical effects of the "Minsk UFO" of 1984 that traces (almost certainly) to a still-undocumented SLBM launch from the Barents Sea.
Sample slides:
www.jamesoberg.com...




posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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Indeed, I have seen a rocket launch at night from Vandenberg AFB.

I was in San Diego, a few hundred miles away---it was very bright and was, for a few moments, my first "UFO". Clearly distinct from any aircraft with quite odd effects. I then remembered that there was a test of the missile interceptors that day; this rocket was the incoming missile .ed for the South Pacific & the interceptor installation.

People's notion of what a rocket looks like come from dramatic NASA films and The Right Stuff----towering flames, noise and shaking.

It looks much weirder at night and high up in a clear atmosphere. There are odd "cones" of light, things that blip on and off (stage separation), fans of excited gas molecules, etc. You see no visible evidence of a rocket. And, of course, no audible sound.

The things I remember are consistent with the drawings in the presentation.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by mbkennel]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:40 PM
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Things like this, explainable events, will always pollute this subject. Some who believe will not let anything as simple as the facts get in the way of their convictions.

As a skeptic/debunker or whatever ignorant label I get called (I prefer the label "Flexible") I can say I don't suffer from the delusion that my convictions are correct at all costs. Heck, I live for the day I am forced to eat my hat. That is the difference between seeking the truth through the application of common sense, reason and logic rather than seeking the truth through the application of a belief system combined with ignorance.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?


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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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reply to post by JimOberg
 


Strong possibility and was addressed as a possible alternate explanation to the Chiles-Whitted Incident of 48' in this thread here . Good thread, it is time more 'real' type threads popped up delivering actual insights into the UFO phenomina.



[edit on 5/31/2009 by jkrog08]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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Is this what you are talking about?


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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by GEORGETHEGREEK
Is this what you are talking about?


Nai, Georghios.

In English. Yes.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by JimOberg

The saddest part is that serious Western UFO researchers -- Hynek, Vallee, Knapp, Haines, and others -- also were suckered in by these masquerading 'IFOs'. The world's UFO data base was polluted -- and remains so -- by these explainable Soviet-era reports.

At least, that's the way I see it. Insights and views will be welcomed.



You can always apply a filter to a database. I do it all the time, works for me. :O)

No one who is seriously interested in the subject of UFOs should ever jump to conclusions about them or be disappointed if they can be legitimately identified later on.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by fls13]



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