Originally posted by infinite
A shame I signed a petition for the abortion period to be lowered in the United Kingdom. Yeah, I know, I've made you looked stupid but hey

OMG, you signed a petition!!! WoW!!!

WhatTheory, I'm sure Jesus won't be too upset and will forgive you.

Forgive me? For what?
Let's see....I don't think it was ok for the doctor to be killed and I don't think it is ok for the doctor to kill innocent babies. Please tell me with all your wisdom why Jesus would be upset. Good grief, you make no sense man!

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
Your argument holds no water.

You are entitled to your wrong opinion.

If you assume that you have the right to punish "mothers" for misdeeds....including legal and prescription drugs that can do just as much damage to a fetus as crack

First of all, how you get to 'punishing mothers' I will never know. Secondly, I'm glad to see you used the term "misdeeds" because the majority of abortions are because of misdeeds unrelated to the health of the baby or the mother.

also must concede that abortions have potentially prevented the birth of violent criminals and future Madoffs. You can't play the piano on one side.

Perhaps you should at least try and play the piano because that must be the most ridiculous statement I've read in a long time.
So you are saying that violent criminals and stock market thieves are the result of crack head mothers not being able to abort their babies.
That is some crazy stuff right there. Using your logic, how is it that we do have violent criminals and "Madoffs" since they CAN currently get these late term abortions? Your point...MOOT, NULL and VOID.

Once again, I don't get how people can control each other's wombs.

Seriously church and government, seriously.

Originally posted by WhatTheory

Sorry, but you using the term "guarantee" reaffirms for me that you don't know anything. If you want to make excuses becuase it helps you sleep better at night then go for it but unless the mothers health is in danger, abortion is murder.

Secondly, using your example, you prove my point about the morals of some mothers. So you are saying that just because a mother is a heavy drug user it is ok for her to murder a baby. That is some backwards logic if I have ever heard it.

Who are you to judge the morals of another person? You and your kind distort the very word of God that you claim to follow.

I'm sure I already know the answer to this question but have you ever thought through your claim that abortion is murder? From a legal standpoint? I've never met an alleged, "pro lifer" who has even attempted to do this intellectual exercise but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

If you are going to classify abortion as murder, then you have to assign human status to the fetus at the point of conception. Think about that for a moment? Every miscarriage would require an autopsy. A mother to be would be held LEGALLY accountable for any behavior that could be construed as injurious to her unborn baby...and that is only the beginning.

I despise people like you because you want only to impose your morals on the rest of the world. You aren't interested in reducing the number of abortions because if you were you'd be as interested in education as you are in applauding murderous scum.

I am a Christian. I pray that we could stop every single abortion. I also pray that both sides of this issues, especially the extreme right and extreme left would find common ground to start finding ways to reduce unwanted pregnancies, provide support and assistance for those who decide to carry the babies to term, better, more intellectually honest sex education, better education of the potential risks (medical and emotional) of abortion among other things...

Instead, those on the far left view any attempts at providing honest pre-abortion counseling as an attack on rights and you on the far right are happier demonizing pregnant women and murdering doctors.

Both extreme ends of this argument will rot in hell someday.

I'm convinced of it.

I don't agree with late term abortions (In general I just don't care about the subject at all!)

But if every moron with a gun thought they had the right to kill someone that they thought committed a crime, then we would have a lot of dead people.

You don't have the right to walk around shooting everyone you think has done something wrong.

As a pro-life Christian let me utterly condemn this action and any such vigilante actions. This doctor was a person with a family and people who loved him and I pray for their consolation at this time.

The perpetrator did not act in my name or in the name of those who are pro-life.

There are no circumstances in which murder, which this was, may be justified.

I hate human beings.

This is awful.

You don't see pro-choicers going and shooting church workers.

Originally posted by Night Watchman
Who are you to judge the morals of another person? You and your kind distort the very word of God that you claim to follow.

Another knee-jerk reactionist.

I am not judging anyone's morals. This is your twisted logic attempting to justify the murder of innocent little defensless babies.

All I am saying is that IMO, killing innocent babies is wrong. Why would a woman who does not want a child allow herself to get pregnant only to abort the baby. Don't start spewing your talking points about the health of the baby or mother because those are a tiny portion of abortions. The majority of abortions are done because the woman could not keep her legs closed or was to drunk or drugged to know any better. A womans inability to make a sound decision is no reason to murder a innocent little defenseless baby.

As to your other lame point, I am not a religious person. While I was raised as a Catholic, I unfortunately don't currently practice the religion and reluctantly only go to church on a rare occassion when forced by my wife. So again you have no idea what you are talking about.

The hypocrisy of the so-called 'pro-life' movement astounds and disgusts me to my core. Even today, in 2009, already well into the 21st century, fundamentalist nutjobs are still willing to murder to make a political point.

I'm glad to see that at least one of the big 'pro life' groups has come out in opposition to this killing.

In a Church no less, for Christ sake. You champion the lives of children, and yet you gun a man down in front of them.

Originally posted by Supercertari
As a pro-life Christian let me utterly condemn this action and any such vigilante actions. This doctor was a person with a family and people who loved him and I pray for their consolation at this time.

The perpetrator did not act in my name or in the name of those who are pro-life. [...]

My respect, for that post, I'ld like to shorten it, but I think every word was wisely chosen and even if I don't agree with anti-choice , I applaud that post! I also agree for being for life, but there are circumstances, when all else fails (including prayers and counseling) when you have to be pro-choice. IMO

[...]There are no circumstances in which murder, which this was, may be justified.[...]

This sentence is definitely worth a discussion in another thread...
Samuel

Originally posted by WhatTheory
Murder because a woman could not keep her legs closed knowing that she did not want a baby. Pathetic and sad.

Takes TWO to make a baby. What about the guy that couldn't help sticking it inbetween those legs KNOWING that the woman probably did not want to have a baby???

What about him? Oh wait, men have nothing to do with this whole pregnancy thing. I forgot.

Originally posted by Monger
The hypocrisy of the so-called 'pro-life' movement astounds and disgusts me to my core.

How is it hypocrisy when most who are pro-life don't approve of the killing of the doctor? Again, another knee-jerk reactionist who spews talking points instead of thinking for themselves.

What is actual hypocrisy is the so-called 'pro-choice' movement who does not have a problem killing an unborn innocent defensless baby yet will scream and whine like a little girl protesting the death penalty or innocent civilian deaths in war. Now that is astounding and disgusting!

I personnally am torn when it comes to the abortion argument. I for one think its murder, and that the reprucusions to the mothers that could have been last years. Thats one of the reasons why the woman in Roe Vs Wade is now anti-abortion.

This being said, I personnally feel that abortion needs to be a STATE issue, not a federal one. I am against it, and to be honest Late term abortions is outright disgusting and reprehensible, BUT, I as an individual should not force my views on others. Because of this, Abortion should be allowed, so that a person should have the choice, and live with it.

While I think its disgusting, its a necessary evil. Most woman that have abortions are not sound in the mind, there desperate for whatever reason, and because of this, have the abortion. Once a woman has one, the chances of having another child carried to full term are GREATLY reduced. Many woman who have an abortion can never have kids again. Because of this, they are eliminating there genes voluntarily from the gene pool. Its basically a method of sterilization without the poor realizing it.

Additionally, the majority of people that have abortions, are the poor. By them having abortions, they are allowing us to hold our taxes at a lower rate, because we don't have to support them, or there childs health care.

Realistically, our society needs the choice, and will always need the choice, its up to us though to find the reasons why woman feel they need to have abortions, and stop the reasons. Thats the best method of stopping abortions. Outlawing outright does nothing but drive it underground. Woman will still have abortions, just they won't be in clinics.

I think most people fail to see all the issues that surround abortion. I recommend researching them all.

Just my 2 cents,

Camain

Originally posted by Supercertari
As a pro-life Christian let me utterly condemn this action and any such vigilante actions. This doctor was a person with a family and people who loved him and I pray for their consolation at this time.

The perpetrator did not act in my name or in the name of those who are pro-life.

There are no circumstances in which murder, which this was, may be justified.

Thanks for this post. In all honestly, it really reaffirmed my faith in humanity and the pro-life crowd after some of the tripe frothed about in this thread thus.