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Russia and Japan want serious response to N. Korea

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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


But without US support The Taliban will take over Pakistan.

So what is it?
US support or the tyranny of The Taliban?

I wonder how much freedom there would be under The Taliban?

Perhaps if you read up on some recent history in Afghanistan you would know.

US or The Taliban.
No competition in my book!



Just remember it's the US that produced the Taliban. The US keeps giving them money to keep them going. Give them money to keep them fighting.....Go figure!!!




posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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Any attempts to impose Sharia Law in the UK will result in a bloodbath I assure you.

I spend a lot of time thinking, some would say too much.

I have also spent a lot of time living, watching, talking, socialising, reading, travelling and as a result of all of these I have come to the conclusion that the biggest single danger we face today is the advancement of Islamic fundamentalism.

I do not say this out of fear, or because I am brain washed or naive, or because I am bigotted but out of personal experience.

But we digress again.....
I thought this thread was about discussing events relating to North Korea, or is it just an excercise for you to broadcast your anti-US rhetoric?



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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the mujaheddin is not the Taliban

understand that?

one is true to Islam and want to follow the Koran and the other was the making of the USA who was fighting the USSR


2 very different people ! and MO's so to speak



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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The world is not about the USA While USA has 800 military bases all around the world?

If a country has bases all around the world, the world has nothing to do with that country?

How exactly does that logic work?

and what did you mean by you have none?
what no faith?
I'm assuming that's not what you mean since it's not even relevant.

But back on topic
N.Korea's talk is tougher than the country itself
actions speak louder than words
if you want a response at least let them do something first
until then they have every right to do what every other country is doing
U.S, Japan and Russia are all over-reacting to this

And for Russia to over-react right now really seems out of place
something doesn't seem right about that
Russia could finish N.Korea in seconds
Something really smells fish here



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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How do the US continue to fund The Taliban?
Can you provide any evidence or are you just repeating standard anti-US bilge?



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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Agree... we have had this debate in the UK about this "law" and its not going to happen as In Islam it does in fact say you must respect the country you live in

And most Muslims do not want sharia law but some issues are sticky like married / divorce so we have to work that out but only under UK law not Religious laws

The law of the land applies to EVERYONE
and it will stay that way. I hope !

[edit on 31-5-2009 by symmetricAvenger]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:22 AM
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The logic works when china has 1billion people the logic works when russia has more gas than Saudi have oil

The economic down turn was not what you think

The rules of the game have changed

And its funny that you say your American but yet you slate the very people and country in every post

Why?

I mean YOU are the usa not the goverment? the goverment it to serve the people not the other way round

People all over this planet are waking up, and its not going to be fun nor easy

but to blame the USA for every single problem on this planet is a bit 1

over the top and 2

very arrogant and silly....



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:23 AM
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And for Russia to over-react right now really seems out of place something doesn't seem right about that Russia could finish N.Korea in seconds Something really smells fish here


yea its called JAPAN



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
And its funny that you say your American but yet you slate the very people and country in every post

Countries vs. Countries is real, but it's not a big issue as much as country vs. people is. That's the biggest issue here despite what is being painted for you.

you have little focus on the big picture
that's why you keep sayign that me wanting Americans to thrive is anti-american.

The govt. and it's meddling into foreign affairs is putting americans in danger.

Because that meddling causes blowback, that blowback is what you call terroism. That which you call terroism results in excuses for passing of bills like the patriot act, the FISA bill, the dept. of homeland security calling almost every american a potential terroist and this new cyber-czar that is soon to come. So in other words this meddling of foreign affairs which is bankrupting americans is also making them lose more and more freedoms. Please understand that to not want this is not anti-american.
Because it's americans that make up america, not the 1% of the population gaining something out of war.

If you were more focused you would understand that i'm being pro-american. Me wanting america to be safe and for it's economy to thrive and me not wanting people's money to used for war is a good thing not a bad one.

I suppose that all the jewish communities that opposed the war on gaza were anti-israeli too.

Why does wanting peace and to want every country to have it's own sovereignty MUST equate to anti-americanism?

Why must being pro-american MUST equate to supporting everything that is putting americans in danger and that is bankrupting it?

why?


Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
I mean YOU are the usa not the goverment? the goverment it to serve the people not the other way round

My point exactly!


Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
but to blame the USA for every single problem on this planet is a bit 1

I am not blaming EVERYTHING on america
calm down
We arent talking about EVERYTHING right now
(i'm capitalizing for emphasis not because im screaming btw)




[edit on 31-5-2009 by ModernAcademia]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Great response. You are absolutely right. I'm not anti-American. I am opposed to the # the government does and says that dangers the lives of Americans. Same # with the UK. The governments and the New World Order are killing the people and killing the society!!



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:43 AM
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you have little focus on the big picture


I do find this insulting every time you say it....

Im 27 years old i died in my sleep i read history books i do not watch TV

I do not have a religion

so please do not try and lecture me on being focused on the aspect you wish to portray to me as if i was some little child.

Im telling You sir its about JAPAN not USA

and i will point out one thing just because you have some things you do not like do not think the USA is all king of this planet

the only reason the USA speaks English "and all be it broken" was because of the ENGLISH...

so please don't patronize me

thanks



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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ok I apologize for that
I will not say it again



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:49 AM
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Its not county vs country that is your problem

the world is run by a few men and one is not even a man

You fail to understand what you are in...

what is Hinduism? what is that?

control is what .. like the money in your pocket

Both server a purpose.. to keep you stupid

and yes some elements of the government are involved but its not just about the USA

Its about money greed and power

and NK are not in the loop "not any more" russia is fed up and JAPAN is worried and the reason they buy usa bonds was not about money tho it did help but it was an agreement

JAPAN is the key

watch c-span? they say more than they should... the usa knew 1 hour be for they even was going to launch it

how?

China + Russia + USA do not want JAPAN to nuke or attack NK and they will.... if it comes to it.. and the USA has to come to the rescue or help out.

it wont be good .. so little kimmy has to go..



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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no need and i was sorry to be off topic with that post

I am just trying to expand on the history aspect of this problem all nations face..

You see NK was an aparatus of OLD china New china wants MONEY and power and NK is being a pain in ALL the arses of the countries right now and japan is NOT happy

And will do it IF others do not sort it out and russia does not want that crap on the door step ...

this is how its going to work and as was posted be for its about russia and china

and lets not forget its Chinas creation
and its down to them to understand NO nk = more money

its a hard choice for them



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 11:04 AM
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Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
what is Hinduism? what is that?
control is what .. like the money in your pocket
Both server a purpose.. to keep you stupid

ok im about to go off-topic here but only for a second
Hinduism is a misunderstood religion
Hinduism is not about praying, it's not about fasting on tuesdays, it's not about worshiping statues or listening to bhajans(holy music) all the time.

Hinduism is about yoga, meditation, concentration, attaining a higher spiritual level, being at peace and mutual respect.

With that said most hindus do not practice it as such
but that's what it is
it's not there to make you stupid

but as mentioned I don't believe in organized religion


Originally posted by symmetricAvenger
JAPAN is the key

China plays a much greater role in the world scene than Japan ever will

This is all hysteria and nothing else in any case
that's all that it is

NK poses no threat!



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by stevcolx

Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


But without US support The Taliban will take over Pakistan.

So what is it?
US support or the tyranny of The Taliban?

I wonder how much freedom there would be under The Taliban?

Perhaps if you read up on some recent history in Afghanistan you would know.

US or The Taliban.
No competition in my book!



Just remember it's the US that produced the Taliban. The US keeps giving them money to keep them going. Give them money to keep them fighting.....Go figure!!!



The US did not produce the taliban. They were a tribal group in afghanistan who were one of many tribal groups who participated in the power grab after russia left. they happened to be the ones who won.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:35 PM
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correct but for me you can not reach that what it is you do not understand .. but that is my own view about that aspect..

like i said be for read a book and you will understand the history of china and japan

and if i was japan i would be very p'off with NK and would tell my "associates" you do something or we will

china knows it russia knows it and so do the usa

japan will indeed take matters into its own hands if it must.. and this will affect the USA as the very reason why japan has no nukes was because of the treaty and agreement after ww2




posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


But we aren't talking about Israel, we are talking about North Korea!

Your blind hatred of the US clouds your judgement.

This has nothing to do with the US, this is not of their making.

I repeat, not all the world's ill's are the fault of America!

Oh, too much Fox?
I'm not American, I don't live in America....I don't get Fox!


Sorry you had to put up with such a rant from "modern academia" - now there's an oxymoron for you! The instant some of these people start to feel like they're losing a "debate" it's out with the insults and let's blame it all on watching Fox. Elitists ...


The "current events truth" is that the U.S. is over there providing security for Japan and South Korea under treaty obligations and because they want us to. Now I personally believe it's high time that the people there (Japan, SK, China and Russia) start picking up more of the responsibility and more of the tab for containing North Korea. After all, they are going to take the damage and most of the fallout if a war breaks out, not the U.S.




posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
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No you misunderstand
I said it's U.S.'s fault about U.S.'s response

But I think what is happening is Japan and China are just riding the over-reaction bandwagon.

I mean Russia?
What does Russia have to worry about when it comes to N. Korea?
Absolutely Nothign!

Of course N.Korea's rethoric isnt the best either
I guess the mice will play until the cats come scratch em

But these countries are playing a game on behalf of the people's money.

That's what my point was/is,


Of course russia has something to worry about.
Here's an analogy:
Let's say someone breaks into a few of your neighbors house but hasn't broken into yours. By your logic, you have nothing to worry about.

Nuclear weapons in the hands of a mentally unstable dictator is everyone's concern.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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if i'm a 240lbs bodybuilder with a black belt and a truckload of weapons that I designed and manufacturered and the alledge breaking into houses guy is a scrawny mal-nutrioned hungry man with a few a weapons and alot to lose, then no.

Nothing to worry about.
Yes the guys is off his rocker
but he still has every right to do what everyone else is doing

to jsut say that israel is the only country to be allowed to have an unlimited amount of nukes is compeletely unfair.

Superpowers are allowed to be as nuked up as can be and everyone else must be sitting ducks or else it's time to attack is not a stance that should be supported.



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