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Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer

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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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Saudis Behead, Crucify Convicted Child Molester, Murderer


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RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.

According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy's father to death when the man came looking for his son.
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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:18 AM
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While I don't think Saudia Arabia is a good example of how a country should be run; At least they knows how to treat child molesters and murderers.

It would be great if the US had the guts to do this today!!! Instead we just lock people up in little tiny cells and treat them like animals. At least they are being tortured....



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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:24 AM
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Maybe if you decide to not rollover some day to some religious leader you will learn why people are not slaughtered the instant some court slaps a lable on them. Sometimes people lie for various reasons... im sorry if this is the first time youve heard this.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:36 AM
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Agree - part of me would support this type of punishment in my country, the other side realizes it would bring up far too many philosophical concerns and too many errors would be made.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:37 AM
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Originally posted by Wertdagf
Maybe if you decide to not rollover some day to some religious leader you will learn why people are not slaughtered the instant some court slaps a lable on them. Sometimes people lie for various reasons... im sorry if this is the first time youve heard this.



So you think it is religious fanaticism that leads to the execution of people that have proven they have no business being in society. I guess you feel they should be locked in a box and tortured for the rest of their lives?

And how have I rolled over to a religious leader? Because I believe in capital punishment?

Do people really lie? WOW thanks for enlightening me...



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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I extend my congratulations to the Saudis for a job well done. At least there are still some countries out there who know how to carry out a good execution.

I firmly believe in the death penalty. Not as a deterrent to crime, but as a morally just punishment for the crime.

If you murder someone, you deserve death.

Everybody has a right to a fair trial, despite the charges and evidence. Everybody deserves an appeal process as well. But in any decently run legal system, convicted murderers would get six months to appeal. If they are not granted a new trial or have their conviction overturned by the end of those six months, the electric chair will be waiting for them the next morning.

We waste far too many taxpayer dollars on the appeal process and holding murderers either for life imprisonment or on death row. Send them all straight to the executioner and end it. Hell, make it even better: broadcast the executions on live pay-per-view TV. This system stimulates the economy, cleans out our prisons, saves taxpayer money, and provides a little entertainment. A win-win-win-win situation if I ever saw one.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:08 AM
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Just look at Franco's Spain; he started public hangings on the instant of conviction. In 6 months, crime of any kind was rare, and violent crime had all but disappeared. Argue what you want but it works as sooner or later you run out of criminals.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:17 AM
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No ACLU or SPLC to deal with there. I do admire at times Arab justice, but they can't compare to the Chinese. Kudos! Ya know we used to do things similar in my region before the Union boot got involved, but alas...got to hose the taxpayers for "humanitarian" reasons.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:50 AM
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Although i can understand the reaction to such a crime it CAN NOT be the right way to deal with these kinds of problems in a society....

How many a times have people been convicted of crimes that turned out to be innocent after some investigation

As long as we do not have a perfect and infallible justice systems (which is impossible) you have people falling victim to it.
I ,for one ,would really hate it if some authority would lift me from my bed ,drag me into the street and behead me only because the majority seems to "know" you are guilty......

And what is killing somebody gonna learn him anyway?? Maybe a couple of centuries ago it would have been "appropriate" to kill all the "bad seeds" in a society. But the problem is somebody has to deceide which are the bad seeds and which are the good ones....

It's always the wrong people doing the choosing!!!

We have entered the 21st century now for almost a decade and still we have the notion that dealing with our problems in this way is gonna solve anything......it's not!!!

Is it so alien to look at WHY some people act the way they do and try and solve the cause instead of the effect??

By this way of thinking i know of a lot of people how are guilty of killing a whole lot more people (and children) ,who are in some weird way not guilty in the eyes of society because their actions were of value or advantage to a certain group....(i'm talking of every war that has ever been).......

Here is a simple rule of thumb:

Killing an other man is wrong, period!!!!

No matter what the circumstances. Be it hate, revence or in the name of justice. It's wrong and never a sollution.

I guess i could say i'm happy that my conscience is clear because i live in a society which doesn't support the death penalty but that would be to easy. Unfortunatly "we" as a world population are equaly guilty of every thing that has gone wrong on this planet from day one!!!

We all carry the burdon of innocent people being killed in the name of whatever. We all agree that it is okay ,for instance ,that a certain group of people from Rwanda called Hutu's round up 3000 men, women and children into a remote little church and start cutting of their heads one by one.......................

Now i'm gonna get flamed for this remark and you all are gonna say that "we" civilized people would never condone to such an act!!
But maybe, just maybe, these Hutu's deceided as a group that it would be best if this threath to their way of live would be eliminated. Everybody just looks away for a second and the troops carry out their orders.....problem solved!!

I guess it is all a matter of perspective and on which side of the line you stand ,which dceides wether you are guilty or not......

I wish people would stop thinking in wrong/right, left/right, black/white, their group/ our group, etc, etc, etc.....

It is all an illusion which we have created to make sence of it all but give it a few 100 years ,maybe a thousand ,and we will finally realize that we are ONE and killing one man is merly killing a part our self......

Whooo, it's 8 o'clock on a sunday morning over here and last nights jack is still having on big party in my head so i'm gonna stop here but i believe i had a point when i started my reply.......oh yeah, that execution thing.....damn right they killed that b*stard and they should take out his family aswell, just to be sure!!!

Ain't life grant??

Peace



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:58 AM
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They beheaded him, THEN crucified him?
Damn, I guess they weren't taking any chances with him rising on the third day.

Here is hoping they show the same lack of compunction when they finally decide to rise up against their oppressive "royal" family.

- Lee



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:59 AM
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For a crime like this the punishment was fair and just. I've no problem with the execution of child molesters, PERIOD, no matter what country they are in. If someone is twisted and evil enough to compromise the sanctity and innocence of a CHILD then I FIRMLY believe that person is absolutely useless to society and should be put to death.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by sos37
For a crime like this the punishment was fair and just. I've no problem with the execution of child molesters, PERIOD, no matter what country they are in. If someone is twisted and evil enough to compromise the sanctity and innocence of a CHILD then I FIRMLY believe that person is absolutely useless to society and should be put to death.


The problem is this becomes a slippery slope because than other punishments become acceptable for other crimes. Since this discusses Saudi Arabia ill use them as an example if a teenage boy steals a candy bar and is caught and convicted?




RIYADH - Two men found guilty of stealing in Saudi Arabia had their right hands amputated yesterday in keeping with Islamic law, the Interior Ministry announced.


How far do you go who decides what punishments are ok and which ones are not. Emotions tell me he deserved it but was it right? the reality is every time a society allows someone to push the envelope more things become acceptable.we see this everyday a police officer over steping his authority to maybe take a drug dealer off the streets everyone agrees its a good thing. But once you cross that line you will do it again and a funny thing happens your standards will also go down.Next time there not a drug dealer but the cop commits an illegal act and catches a user ok great one less drug addict who could potentially cause problem good. Now the cop has people speeding down his street upset by this he plants narcotics in the car arrested and off to jail they go. well it all sounds great in practice in reality any system run by human beings will be abused by increasing the penalties we increase there power to miss use.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:24 AM
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Seems to be they got the beheading and the crucification the wrong way round.

I'd have left the twisted bastard to the vultures.

But otherwise, a job well done.



I imagine a headless, crucified corpse would definately serve as a warning to would be monsters.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by mr-lizard]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:40 AM
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People are funny!!!

So i guess the difference between a brutal murder or justice is the amount of people who support the act???



And nobody sees the irony in this??

What if this guy would have got it together to join up with a group of people who agreed that what he did was right....would he than have been right?? Or is there a certain amount of people who have to agree before you can call murder justice??

I'm confused here, somebody help me out!!!

Peace



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:47 AM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
People are funny!!!

So i guess the difference between a brutal murder or justice is the amount of people who support the act???



And nobody sees the irony in this??

What if this guy would have got it together to join up with a group of people who agreed that what he did was right....would he than have been right?? Or is there a certain amount of people who have to agree before you can call murder justice??

I'm confused here, somebody help me out!!!

Peace



He raped and sodomised a young child and then killed his father.

What? Give him a slap on the wrist?



[edit on 31-5-2009 by mr-lizard]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:48 AM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
People are funny!!!

So i guess the difference between a brutal murder or justice is the amount of people who support the act???





Ummm.... NO!


The difference is...

The victim of the Child molester was an innocent defenseless child.

The Victim of the State was a Child molesting monster.




Justice was served.





[edit on 31-5-2009 by SLAYER69]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:09 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Ummm.... NO!


The difference is...

The victim of the Child molester was an innocent defenseless child.

The Victim of the State was a Child molesting monster.


And you are sure you have all the facts when making a claim like this...


Justice was served.


Maybe the shop owner was a upstanding citizen who tried to make a living and for some reason the rest of the town had a problem with this man for years. (you know how smalltown communities can be)
The father of the boy which got killed told his kid to provoke, tease, bully, harass, pester, antagonize, nag the shop owner. And after having endured this for serveral years the shop owner finaly snapped.
He beat the kid to death and then continued to get his revence on the boys father.....

Maybe the kid was having an affair with the shop owners daughter and dishonoured her or worse. Daddy just got p*ssed because somebody touched his little precious...

Come on, there are a million different scenarios i can think of for this person to act in such a way. But since i have no detailed background on what happened i'd be a bit more carefull about judging wether or not justice was done here.......

This truely is a scary world!!!!!

Peace



By which definition??



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:13 AM
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Get over it.

Edit to add "Maybe" Not everybody wants to follow to your version of morality.


[edit on 31-5-2009 by SLAYER69]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:19 AM
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This little piece of information...


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.

According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy's father to death when the man came looking for his son.


Is enough for the majority of ATS users to deceide wether or not justice was done here??

I thought ATS was a place of free-thinkers, intelligent objective people who only draw a conclusion when every other possibility has been eliminated and than still continue to question wether they have overlooked something.........but i guess eventully everything changes.

What a shame.....


Peace



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:21 AM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime

I thought ATS was a place of free-thinkers, intelligent objective people who only draw a conclusion when every other possibility has been eliminated and than still continue to question wether they have overlooked something.........but



Exactly and I freely think that justice was served in this case.


PEACE
Slay



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