When Will We Fight?

reply to post by Southern Guardian


Scroll down just a bit to the article: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 The Coming American Reality Check: "Night of the Long Knives" Part Two Mr. Guardian. With just a little help I know you can do this correctly – then read the article so you can finally learn that this is not about partisan politics.

One thing s true, when the time comes for us to revolt, we dam sure better win, otherwise we lose forever. game over for the US, we will have failed our forefathers.

I can't see that there are enough disgruntled "Revolutionaries" to even mount a united front against the PTB. Most of the vocal are of the "hunker down" variety.

The disgruntled would eventually become disenchanted with the leaders and would break down into factions arguing about weather the uniform of the "corp" should be Berets or cowboy hats.

With out leadership and a defined goal; lofty rhetoric looks good on a website but in real time it's just emotional masturbation meaning little or nothing.

As long as NASCAR and the NFL exists; nothing will be done.

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reply to post by eightonefive


Amen for that, there will be no ‘Constitutional Convention’ because there will be no Constitution, Just the United Nations Jack booted thugs.

reply to post by whaaa


It is what you do not see that allows me some confidence in the finish of what is coming. There IS unified communications and a command structure with nothing but holes awaiting the pegs. You would be surprised at what has been going on since the mid 90’s. Not as redneck as you think. The Resistor Movement was real.

It's not that they don't see the obvious. It's not even that they actually believe what they're saying. Southern Guardian, whaaa, and their ilk are actually running interference for the collectivists. Their goal in this endeavor is to misdirect, minimize, and marginalize.

No thinking, reasoning, rational person could actually believe the fluff they put out in the past several posts, unless that individual really didn't get out much, and had zero sources for news. They would have to be positively oblivious to the storm brewing in the populace at this very moment. Unless they had no points of contact with that populace. Otherwise, they couldn't miss it.

That's why I say the are without a doubt, walking point for the collectivist opposition. Misdirecting by making absurd statements such as " self proclaimed 'revolutionaries'", when in fact no one has proclaimed themselves to be 'revolutionaries'. The thrust is to marginalize people who voice 'dissatisfaction' by attempting to associate them with Napolitano's 'right wing domestic terrorists' and Hillary's 'vast right wing conspiracy'. Minimize by denying and ridiculing the rampant disaffection in the country. Guess what, kids? just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it really WILL go away. But they already know that.

They walk point for the collectivists in an effort to provoke a reaction. The sooner they can push the right buttons to get the ball rolling, the sooner they THINK the people can be snowballed. That's the only conclusion that I can draw from the patently ridiculous statements I've seen made by the collectivist crowd above.

Be careful what you wish for, because sometimes dreams DO come true. And sometimes they turn out to be nightmares.

nenothtu out

reply to post by SGTChas


I think it became apparent to most folks by 06' that the man was a liar, and slowly but surely folks from there on end began to clear their tracks of any support for him. This still doesnt explain to me how this thing of yours has nothing to do with the election outcome.... heres some interesting points to the blog that you could have directly referenced me:

American electorate that is awaking to just what President Obama meant by “change”,

So you speak of the folks who voted for Obama?

President Obama’s “fiscally responsible” 3 trillion big government stimulus

It was actually $800 billion in that case. The amount you cited is yet to be used.

Plus to offer my congratulations, it is an 'Obama nation' now with this history making election.

Yes this has nothing to do with the elections.

The military strength of the United States will be quickly gutted

Because we all know half the worlds military expenditure aint enough, that we increased expenditure by $1 trillion over the last 8 years excluding Iraq, that this president only increased the expenditure by "$15 billion" and thereforth gutted the military.

And to end it off this came up:

The succession movement and its resulting revolution in America (and perhaps the future Free States President Sarah Palin)

Just a hockey mom from Wasilla, lets overthrow the socialist, restore rightwing ideals and continue to mutter that this has nothing to do with the elections or partisan politics. Right.

dark-night-coming.blogspot.com...

Iv certainly got your blog bookmarked for future referencing, thanks.

Originally posted by nenothtu
It's not that they don't see the obvious. It's not even that they actually believe what they're saying. Southern Guardian, whaaa, and their ilk are actually running interference for the collectivists. Their goal in this endeavor is to misdirect, minimize, and marginalize.

I'm not a collectivist. I'm a pragmatist. Why do you feel the need to catagorize people that have a different view of the world than you.
I am much more in the individualist camp [being a self employed business man] than a collectivist.

"their ilk" indeed.....

nenothtu, you see enemies where there are none.



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Originally posted by nenothtu
No thinking, reasoning, rational person could actually believe the fluff they put out in the past several posts, unless that individual really didn't get out much, and had zero sources for news.

Tell me what rights have been stripped from you again? Heres another question, do you speak for the american people as a whole? Or do you share this country with the rest of us? How can you proclaim yourself a staunch supporter of the constitution when you expect this country to stop on behalf of a faction who cannot, or are yet, to cite one right being stripped from them?

They would have to be positively oblivious to the storm brewing in the populace at this very moment.

Let me tell you about this populace you speak of, they are the same anti-liberal gun parading folk who have been spreading their fear mongering since the Clinton years. Nothings being brewing, just another fringe faction spreading their conspiracy theories yet again under another liberal president. The bluffing is nothing new.

In a year or two nenothtu you will still be sitting there still going on about this revolution still bluffing about this "storm of yours"... "anytime now you hear..."

That's why I say the are without a doubt, walking point for the collectivist opposition. Misdirecting by making absurd statements such as " self proclaimed 'revolutionaries'", when in fact no one has proclaimed themselves to be 'revolutionaries'.

Yes now you accuse people of opposing views as "disinformation agents". You cannot handle the fact that there are actually people that disagree with you.

Then what is this talk of "revolution" then? Are you not self proclaimed revolutionaries? The one thing I notice bout you fellas, your always shifting what you are, where you stand. You move one from one side to another, always changing excuses and where you stand, supporting somebody then distancing yourselves from somebody. Its always as if your for the same old neocon ploy, but you folks continue to deny it.

Will you make up your minds where you stand? Jeeze the tea parties were just as mixed up as this.

The thrust is to marginalize people

You want to marginalize the majority of the american population with this revolution" of yours, for a small faction, and you talk of "marginalizing"? Anybody who disagrees with the rightwing are socialist, its the same thing. One would think we moved on from the commie hunt during the 50s and 60s, yet some habit die hard right?

By all accounts the "socialist call" from tea baggers would apply to every single nation in the world.... accepting the smaller pockets of America ofcourse... that benefit from socialist programmes in any case.... This is why the world continues to move forward, and folks like you are stuck here asking these questions, posting pointless talking points about this supposed revolution.

Focus on the third party in 2012 if you intend to get anybody to take you seriously. You have a real argument on your hands regarding the lack of knowledge about the other parties, but you spend 99% of the time on this socialist garbage, and I assure you that will continue to get you no where.

SG


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Originally posted by truth/seeker
The powers that be, have us right where they want us dumbed down,
eating, touching, breathing, drinking, toxins daily. when the time is
right, vaccines, viruses, and the like will kill us, and if we fight, or stand
against them, there are all the fema camps, just waiting for us. with a
one way ticket!! reality sucks!!

Bingo. Just have your water tested. It is full of pharmaceuticals and toxins (unless you are like me and have a RO system). People do not have the will to stand up and fight for anything, they are drugged to the max and don't even know it. That being said there are two sides to every story. If there is a city ordinance preventing certain gatherings at this spot, then I see no problem with that. I certainly do not want a church group doing their thing next to my paper thin walls in my apt. -anymore than I want 15 teenagers having a keg party.

reply to post by Southern Guardian


I'm not the one posting these "pointless question threads." I am not the one calling for a revolution either. I am simply stating why I believe that it isn't going to happen.

I don't need to cheerlead for either side. My negativity is not what is preventing the revolution. I am just pointing out what should be obvious to everyone else.

Originally posted by whaaa
I'm not a collectivist.

At no point did I say you WERE a collectivist. I said you are working for the collectivists, carrying their water.

Originally posted by whaaa
I'm a pragmatist.

How so? Where is the 'pragmatism' in your posts which deny the obvious? Throughout history, large numbers of people have sold out their fellow citizens, all the while claiming to be 'pragmatic', that they were simply riding the wave of the future. Is that the type of pragmatism you speak of? Your name wouldn't happen to be Chamberlain, would it? Quisling perhaps?

Originally posted by whaaa
Why do you feel the need to catagorize people that have a different view of the world than you.

Probably for the same reason you do. We are probably both human, yet I suspect very different. We fall into different 'categories' hence we both categorize differently. That's sort of the point of categories. Do you resent the category I've placed you in? Perhaps you need to re-evaluate your comments then. An objective analysis will amply demonstrate why I could make the mistake of categorizing you thusly.

Originally posted by whaaa
I am much more in the individualist camp [being a self employed business man] than a collectivist.

I find that odd, but since I don't know you, I can't really dispute it. Being a self-described 'individualist', why do you root for the collectivist agenda? That is quite puzzling to me, unless the 'pragmatist' side of yourself is factored in to the equation. Just riding the wave of the future, are we?

Originally posted by whaaa
"their ilk" indeed.....

Was there a point to that, or do you just enjoy sounding pompous?

Originally posted by whaaa
nenothtu, you see enemies where there are none.

Perhaps so, but I find that easier to deal with than seeing friends where there are none. At least I'm never disappointed, and I've never been surprised by 'sudden' enemies.

nenothtu out

reply to post by SGTChas


That all depends on how you mean the definition of the word "fight", to me, as I'm fighting every single time I post here within the bounds of ATS, and currently, right now, I'm taking a break to read your thread here, after writing up articles of incorpation for a non-profit.

The non-profit will be towards citizens civil rights and changing stalker laws, in order to make stalkers terrorists once they are charged and sentenced, through a public initiative, making sure that government has the power it needs, yet limiting it specifically to a certain set of bounds, so that what you are referring to here in your thread, can never happen against regular citizens, as well as this non-profit will make the language clearer to the American public, in order to make abuses easier to spot.

So, what "fight" do you mean, because I'm taking a political fight to the man, to get back our rights as citizens, and take back the night from those who would terrorize us, as citizens of the United States of America, as well as the entire world community.

Read about my fight against stalkers here, since I was six years old.
Left-Wing, Right-Wing, This Turkey, Knows How To Soar Like An Eagle
Become a member of the Bully Pulpit, so you can debate me politically, if you do not choose membership in the Bully Pulpit, you can only read, and not post replies.

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reply to post by Southern Guardian


I want to thank you for that sterling example of precisely what I pointed out - misdirect, minimalize, marginalize. I couldn't have begged for a more shining example, and as usual you came through right on cue with that rant.

Hence, no response is necessary, and indeed is not even possible, considering the lack of tangible, valid points in that post to respond TO.

Bravo, Sir! Well played!

How about getting back to me if you ever actually hear what people say, rather than THINK you hear what you WANT them to be saying? Perhaps I can respond then.

nenothtu out

Originally posted by nenothtu
nenothtu out

Yes goodluck with that revolution of yours. Its been a long time coming huh?

Me and my fellow Texans are armed and loaded and more than I had imagined. We are just waiting for 'them' to try and come take our guns...

Oh ya and of course we prefer resolution through peaceful means so we are contacting our State Senators and Representatives.

Bill HCR 50 has passed the House in Texas.

www.legis.state.tx.us...


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reply to post by whaaa


Good luck to you with that attitude. I might suggest you move to a state where freedom is still a forethought.

If not, the defeatist attitude of waiting for the Government to save will still go over well in many states including California, New Jersey, and New York. (No offense to you all, I hope you wake up soon)

Down here in Texas at the gun range today I saw women in Business suits practicing at the 50 and 100 yard ranges with their SCARs and AR-15s all with Trijicon ACOGs, pistol grips and quad rails. Just assuming you don't know your guns but those aren't what you buy to stop burglars in your home.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by nenothtu
nenothtu out

Yes goodluck with that revolution of yours. Its been a long time coming huh?

In fact it is a long time coming. Hopefully cooler heads prevail but if it happens I hope you keep antagonizing people on the computer while the patriots fight the good fight so you stay out of the way.

Anyone who has any grandiose illusions about an armed revolution being possible should just forget about it. It's not possible.

Most people don't want a revolution. They want to drive a cool car and have a big screen TV and that's not going to change anytime soon.

Here is an interesting essay I came across the other day regarding revolutionary change. It's a good read.

When will we fight?

When we come together and realize that your country is being destroyed by democrats just as much as republicans.. even then, we will have to see if it will be in conflict with the release of any new 'important' reality shows..