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When Will We Fight?

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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 11:40 PM
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While reading another thread on the issuance of a citation to a Pastor for holding a Bible study of 15 members in his home, I was awe struck at some of the responses; discussions of code violations, sound detectors, parking issues as affecting the viability of such blatant governmental intrusion into the privacy of one’s home, as if there is ever an excuse for such a fascist interdiction. Added to this was the fact that the code enforcement thug even asked if they said ‘Amen’ and 'Praise the Lord’ as this made the offense more serious!

When is enough, enough? Ultimately, that moment will have to be decided by each and every American. For some the day is far spent, with each successive day another historic abuse of our beloved Constitution by those charged with its preservation; with words of open treasonous intent in ‘remaking America’, advocating the restructuring of the very American soul while we stand idle. Participation with treason by acquiescence through silence or inactivity is treason.

When then do we stand? When the chains that are even now being forged for us rest upon our backs? When those who would enslave us have broken the will of the people to resist through fear and dependency for the very bread that sustains them? Perhaps when we can no longer breathe from our faces being ground in the dust by the jack booted thugs that rule us? How long can one forbear without becoming cowardly subservient? When will we stand and fight?

These questions I open for discussion while continuing work on my Anti-Christ and the NWO Thread…

[edit on 5/30/2009 by SGTChas]




posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:02 AM
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When are the Americans going to make a stand? People starting to stand up all over the world have been asking the same thing. Most have come to the conclusion that Americans will never stand and they're probably correct. If there's any hope for the world, it's not in America.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Sundancer]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:05 AM
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Its a question I had waited for, that self proclaimed "revolutionaries" and "tea baggers" would be asking themselves. I know the answer ofcourse, because this movement isnt one among the american people in general.

This here... this "revolution" you and others here speak of SGTchas is only limited to a small faction of some self described revolutionaries, who somehow feel they have some right to dictate where the rest of the nation goes, but who really do not speak on behalf of the american people, only that "faction". They, you, feel you have been cheated upon, after what was a disasterous 8years of policies they, yourself agreed upon (even when many of you secretly deny that support) after what was democratically right on November 4th, which didnt go to your liking, which didnt go your way. Democracy kicked in back in 88' 85' 2000', but for some reason 2008 didnt go to your liking so it aint democratic right? So the rest of the nation and the world should stop for a minority of disgruntled voters huh? Thats freedom for ya.

Sure, many here mutter of the 1700's and how the revolution then was started by a minority... though this talk is just an excuse of being selfish, neglecting the different circumstances. Today we share a nation with some 300 million US citizens, patriots, who all rightfully have a say in where this nation goes. Just because a fraction of them are unsatisfied with the change in policy, doesnt give them the right to dictate where the nation goes for the rest of americans they seem to forget they share this land with... after all you folks speak of "by the people for the people" yet at the same time you advocate that a small disgruntled minority dictate the path of this nation.

So let me just cut to the chase here. When will "we" fight? When WE the people speak, as americans, not as a minority group of self proclaimed revolutionaries disgruntled with the election outcome.

SG.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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Nobody will fight. There will be alot of belly aching and complaining. At the end of the day everyone will jump on there favorite site and ask each other when will we fight with nobody actually doing anything.

Kind of how you just did.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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So let me just cut to the chase here. When will "we" fight? When WE the people speak, as americans, not as a minority group of self proclaimed revolutionaries disgruntled with the election outcome.


The glory of the two party scam. Thankfully we can always have a boogieman to blame our woes on. Now we have the evil Obama and his minions who are the cause of all of our problems.... all we have to do is wait until 2012, and we can "vote the bums out". Then we can have a new boogieman to blame all of our problems on.

The 4 year election cycle is just long enough to sting along the masses, to give them hope that they can "change" things with their vote in a few years. They then become so fixated on the future, that they somehow completely ignore that they have been screwed by both parties over and over and over again.

In response to the opening question, when will we fight? My guess is either A: Never

or

B: When it is so painfully obvious, that it is way too late.


I am guessing A. We will never fight, we will eventually just collapse.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by Karlhungis
The glory of the two party scam. Thankfully we can always have a boogieman to blame our woes on. Now we have the evil Obama and his minions who are the cause of all of our problems.... all we have to do is wait until 2012, and we can "vote the bums out". Then we can have a new boogieman to blame all of our problems on.

The 4 year election cycle is just long enough to sting along the masses, to give them hope that they can "change" things with their vote in a few years. They then become so fixated on the future, that they somehow completely ignore that they have been screwed by both parties over and over and over again.

In response to the opening question, when will we fight? My guess is either A: Never

or

B: When it is so painfully obvious, that it is way too late.

I am guessing A. We will never fight, we will eventually just collapse.


Rally the people, push for the key third parties to merge, as there is some 50 others as opposed to the Dems and Republicans which folks ofcourse have the opportunity to vote in.... because in 2012 when one state atleast goes for a third party, there will indeed be the beginnings of a movement, and a signal that these "revolutionaries" will have walked the talk, and if not, the question will continue to be "where were you that election year? I saw 300,000 tea baggers at the protests, and only 30,000 came out in support of this new party... where did the others go?"

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. Home of the brave??? I don't know about that.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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You are simply not praying hard enough. Pray to the lord that these shackles be removed from his people. Pray with everything you have, build a strong prayer group if you have to. Pray harder my friend and thy will be done and the anti-christ Hussein Obama will fall.


On a serious note, quit whining. Why is this happening to you, why are the believers being so viciously attacked? It's God's will, you may need to embrace it if your prayers go unanswered..



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:32 AM
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When Will We Fight?



Perhaps when the Draft is reinstated.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:34 AM
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If the corporate media is still in bed with the two major parties, nothing will change. There is no way a 3rd party gets enough momentum if they are silenced in the press. The people who own the media will not let it happen.

The majority of "voters" still get their opinions fed to them from their media outlet of choice. So, as long as Fox / Rush keep telling republicans that anything that isn't republican is anti-American the majority of the republican voters will not be deviating from party lines. Same goes for the democrats. They force this two party distraction on people to keep the machine going. A viable third party would completely ruin the scam, which is why I don't see it happening.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:43 AM
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Ah, the blessings of the Southern Guardian rage from the machine pearls of wisdom. Still playing political party brain dead politics I see… We were waiting for you to dare show up in the ‘Deadly NWO Designed Diseases Released in America’ thread. Several of us were salivating at the prospect of your rather pitiful plebeian drool to ratchet up the comedy factor.

Notwithstanding such musings, as to your redundant and regurgitated points; when will you ever learn that this not about me or any of several you have so accused, having hard feelings over a lost election, this is not even about democrat or republican – or, as some have accused, racism over a black man becoming president; this is about saving our Republic from the planned Statist hell of a one world government.

Now, as I know you appear to be incapable of original thought, I have supplied a link that proves that it is NOT ABOUT THIS LAST ELECTION. Just follow the link, read the listed articles, and look at the dates they were published. If you should need further assistance, I am sure I can simplify the instructions for you; I do understand you are a rabid Obama supporter.

www.opednews.com...



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by Karlhungis
If the corporate media is still in bed with the two major parties, nothing will change.


Its this kind of talk where the rest of the country doesnt take you seriously. You go on about the two party system all day, cry foul of the tearing apart of the constitution and [enter your conspiracy here] and then you continue to post these pointless question threads, that dont add to anything more.

If you well and truly love this country and you feel there needs to be a movement beyond the two major parties, you would go beyond your fear of the "media" and actually do something.


There is no way a 3rd party gets enough momentum if they are silenced in the press.


I'd say the results will speak louder than the pundits no? If folks see atleast one state go to a third party in 2012 there will be those who will see that there are other choices beyond that of the two parties.


The people who own the media will not let it happen.


Its talk like this that makes that possible.


The majority of "voters" still get their opinions fed to them from their media outlet of choice. So, as long as Fox / Rush keep telling republicans that anything that isn't republican is anti-American the majority of the republican voters will not be deviating from party lines. Same goes for the democrats. They force this two party distraction on people to keep the machine going. A viable third party would completely ruin the scam, which is why I don't see it happening.


You know I agree, though my policies align with the democrats and have been one for years I do agree that both on either party are too lazy to look forward to other choices, or dont know there are 60 others. That being said negative talk such as the one above, the constant bickering aint going to move folks to get a third party on the map. Its about action, not pointless negative talking points.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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Whining and praying? Exactly what thread were you reading? I’m trying to put the proverbial boot to the backside of some of the half asleep Americans who appear to be residing in an alternate reality of painting the deck and arranging the furniture of the US Titanic. We’ve already plowed into our iceberg and the ships taking water fast.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:57 AM
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For all of you who wonder what I answered in the afore mentioned thread, I supply the following:




Let me tell you what that code enforcement officer would have gotten if he asked me if I was saying “Amen and praise the Lord” (or ‘praise Allah’ or the ‘boogie man’ for that matter) in my home in this part of America where we still remember what being an American means, my one good foot so far up his back side he’d have hemorrhoids for pimples. Then I would tell him to go get his NAZI Storm trooper friends because I’d be waiting – and you’d have the 2’d Shot Heard Around the World you can be certain, because my 3rd and following shots in answer would be tagging and bagging.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:04 AM
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Originally posted by SGTChas
We were waiting for you to dare show up in the ‘Deadly NWO Designed Diseases Released in America’ thread. Several of us were salivating at the prospect of your rather pitiful plebeian drool to ratchet up the comedy factor.


Glad to see my presence makes the room stop...



Notwithstanding such musings, as to your redundant and regurgitated points; when will you ever learn that this not about me or any of several you have so accused,


This is all about you and a faction of self proclaimed "revolutionaries" who feel they dictate where this nation goes... when in reality you share this nation with the rest of america sorry. If dont like it, use your given right to vote come 2012... vote third party and push for one in your state if your all that serious... but threads of an "armed rebellion" by the few disgruntled conservatives do not represent those of the american people as a whole. "For the people, by the people" you say, and yet you expect the nation to stop for a few. Doesnt work that way, sorry. Theres your answer again from the OP... right there.


having hard feelings over a lost election, this is not even about democrat or republican


This has nothing to do with the current elected President and the election outcome? Right?


or, as some have accused, racism over a black man becoming president;


Well so long as you dont think somebodies middle name should bar them from becoming elected, we aint going to have much issues there, and in that case no I dont think your racist.


this is about saving our Republic


This is really about establishing your own "republic" above the will of the american people as a whole which aint ganna happen. Your talking points here may create some reality of that, but im sorry you share this nation with the rest of us. Make a third party movement in 2012, show them there are other choices. Once you get the people moving, then you will get this nation moving, as it is the will of the people, not just a faction.


Now, as I know you appear to be incapable of original thought, I have supplied a link that proves that it is NOT ABOUT THIS LAST ELECTION.


How is it not about the last election? This isnt about the current "socialist" government by your thoughts no? The fact that a democrat was elected.


Just follow the link, read the listed articles, and look at the dates they were published. If you should need further assistance, I am sure I can simplify the instructions for you; I do understand you are a rabid Obama supporter.

www.opednews.com...


Ill give it a read SGTChas, and Ill try to get back to you as soon as possible.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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It's going to take more than 10% of the population to stan behind a revolution rather than condemn it as terrorism before I will fight. When he american people can stop arguing when they see an incident of obvious police brutality, and nobody says, "he deserved it"

If a person, or a group wre to try to make a stand right now, They would have small support, the larger percentage of the population would condemn the revolution as a bad thing committed by a fringe group, the government would take the group down, calling it homegrown terrorism, and throw them in jail and destroy the key. The Revolution will begin when it's obvious that when a group stands up for our rights, that others will stand behind them, and others behind them. until then, it's suicide.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:11 AM
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some are fighting back today... Look what happens Ed and Elaine brown. Trinidad. Waco. People do stand up and in the end they get mowed over.

But I know what you want to know. WHEN WILL WE STAND UP EN MASS AND PUT THIS CORRUPT GOVERNMENT DOWN AND RESTORE CONSTITUTIONAL ORDER!?!?!

Darn it!

I would say things will get much worse this winter. The poor un-educated un caring masses will start to care very much when their income stops and their bellies growl.

It will be a soldiers winter...

I would ask you to consider this though. During the last civil war nobody won. We all lost. The fed proved that it trumps states rights regardless of the issue. It seems to me that the fed is passing legislation and provoking incident to FORCE US to rebel... and this begs the question why? Personally I think it is because they plan to win and then pass even more restrictive tyrannical laws in the after math.. as well as taking full economic advantage of devaluing the dollar and impoverishing the US work force.

SO when it happens I would suggest that we all insist on taking a much more active role as literate educated citizens in the next constitutional convention... war is coming... the feds are insisting on it with their actions.. when it ends the US will hold another constitutional convention to try and figure out what all went wrong to bring us to such points and when it does happen... we should all be their to speak for ourselves and stop letting others speak for us as representatives.

When you trust someone else to speak for you, you can not trust that they will say what you wanted to be said.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:15 AM
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"voice crying in the wilderness" against the polution of the Word of God with the vain traditions of men, the destruction of the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. However, with a call to remember that we are all Americans; irregardless of what Church (or whether) we attend, our political affiliation, or the color of our skin. For only through our unity can we survive the dark night that approaches...

  "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God"


This was what you gave me the link to SGTChas. While I celebrate the acknowledgement that we are all americans, I fail to understand how your rights have been taken away from you. If you could please let me know what rights were stripped of you from this administration, I will try my best to address them.. otherwise this is just a quote, to which most of your fellow self proclaimed revolutionaries have not followed up on and evidently continue to do so.


[edit on 31-5-2009 by Southern Guardian]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:27 AM
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What is sad Mr. Guardian is that we will never have the 2012 elections; your so preoccupied with false party affiliations and politics you never paid attention to the statements of the very ones who control our political system. With leading politicians (of BOTH parties) and members of the press attending, David Rockefeller made it clear as to when HE thought the pretense would end.

It is now just a question of waiting to be rounded up or taking a stand. Sad that you could think this was about me and a few disgruntled revolutionaries trying to dictate anything. All I have been trying to do is educate and help prepare; it was the statements out of the mouths of the conspirators themselves that laid down our national direction and soon coming destiny. Do you think they were joking when they said we would have one world government whether we wanted it or not?

This is to RESTORE our Federal Constitutional Republic pre sixteenth Amendment, not to “Remake America” as our current Traitor In Chief has said he was doing.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:28 AM
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The powers that be, have us right where they want us dumbed down,
eating, touching, breathing, drinking, toxins daily. when the time is
right, vaccines, viruses, and the like will kill us, and if we fight, or stand
against them, there are all the fema camps, just waiting for us. with a
one way ticket!! reality sucks!!



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