The Chemtrail Phenomenon

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I vote for the UNESCO Prize!

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I clicked on "neutrino cloud seeding" and got mostly physics sites, that talked about neutrino clouds in space, and supernovae. It DID once take me to the ronpaul forum, because one guy that posts there uses the name "neutrino".

I found this in a physics/astrophysics blog:

Neutrinos have been observed originating from a supernova just as the light arrives. However, a neutrino does have a small, detectable mass. If its arrival coincides with light from an exploding star, how is that possible.
Neutrinos are actually emitted prior to the explosion. They have a very small, but non zero mass. Being that small, any push sends them flying off at near the speed of light. Neutrinos travel slower than light, but not greatly so.

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Me too, I wish I was that smart! I'm still working on it regarless. I think many on ATS are mystery Junkies some areas are a bit more risky than others.

Thanks,

Chemtrails have been blamed for many things. In Canada they turned on noxious gases that killed trees and destroyed the fertility of the land, causing radar jam(chaff), blamed for the disappearing bee population, chemtrails and swine flu, respiratory related illnesses, medical research, killing rodents, depopulation, manipulating global warming and climates, etc, etc,

Some weather reporters on mainstream TV are not only acknowledging chemtrails, but also admitting they're made exclusively by the Military.







www.rense.com...

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Originally posted by wonderworld
It's a fact that prior to 1980 they set off Atmospheric atomic nuclear bombs. I know it’s a bit off topic but the dust does come back down to earth. It causes negative health related illnesses. Thyroid cancer is one off the top of my head.

There is a difference from crop dusting and dusting an entire grid area. There are trace minerals located on the ground where spraying has occurred.

There is a big difference between weapons tests done in the early days of the nuclear age, and chemtrails. One being that those tests actually existed.

As to trace minerals; the two used in these supposed chemtrails are common in any neighborhood in the US: Aluminum dust (from the corrosion of siding), and barium (used in rat poison, brick making, glass making, etc).

Originally posted by wonderworld
Since we have a medical person on board maybe we can start discussing molecular structures and substances found in chemtrails, that are not present in a higher altitude contrail.

I am a medical person, true enough, and an ex-airline person. I never said I was a bio-chemist though.

Originally posted by wonderworld
Then you do know the basics of a contrail?

One of the main differences between a contrail and a chemtrail is a unit called a neutrino. Do you know what I mean?

All aviation/metrological people know that difference: “Contrails exist, and are a proven scientific fact. Chemtrails only exist in the minds of the highly paranoid.”

I think they taught me that on day one, right between showing me how to run a loader, and where the lunchroom was located.

Originally posted by wonderworld
It seems like a pilot would understand the basics of atmospheric neutrinos. Maybe you guys have another name for it.

Yeah, that 1 hour crash course in particle physics between learning to shoot a VASI, and how to properly find INOPs to get extended layovers in Florida, was a killer….

Originally posted by wonderworld
It can be important to Parallel planes. Aerospace issues apply here.

You talking about Vortexes?
Only thing that we ever worried about with parallel aircraft was not rubbing their wingtips together by accident.

Originally posted by wonderworld
Another thing to check would be neutrino cloud seeding, neutrino atmospheric effects and planes, it's only one variable in the mix. After all this is still a conspiracy theory right?

Atmospheric Neutrinos have no effect, that I have heard of, on aircraft. I cannot even find it as a topic on a google search:
Google Search: Atmospheric Neutrinos Effect on Aircraft

I guess nobody else thinks it important either…
They might have some effect on flight crews, but flight crews get higher levels or radiation from flying at altitude anyway.

Originally posted by wonderworld
Like I said before if I could prove it I would either end up dead or win the UNESCO Science Prize Award.

ATM I am thinking more along the lines of a Darwin Award.

Heck, this has about as much foundation in reality as Jedimiller trying to prove that he could use a microwave and a telephone to teleport a hotdog.
Funny…Yes!
Real…No!

But good luck with that anyway.

Originally posted by wonderworld
Chemtrails have been blamed for many things. In Canada they turned on noxious gases that killed trees and destroyed the fertility of the land, causing radar jam(chaff), blamed for the disappearing bee population, chemtrails and swine flu, respiratory related illnesses, medical research, killing rodents, depopulation, manipulating global warming and climates, etc, etc,

You might as well blame that stuff on Santa Clause and his evil elves then…

Originally posted by wonderworld
Some weather reporters on mainstream TV are not only acknowledging chemtrails, but also admitting they're made exclusively by the Military.

No! They are admitting chaff…
Chaff is not a Chemtrail, by Chemtrailers own definition. Chaff has been around since WWII; it is small balls containing strips of aluminum. It does not form clouds, and is visible on radar, which Chemtrails are not. Chaff is no more dangerous then the aluminum foil that ATS'ers put on their heads every day.

The only way you are going to get a strip of Chaff into your lungs is if you cut it up into smaller pieces and intentionally inhale it.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
That phrase is utterly nonsense to me --- wasn't covered in meteorology courses!
I will try to look at your links, to see if I understand where you're coming from.

Weed my friend, his sources are IndiaNetDaily, and Rense. I might as well give you a comic book to read, it will be more entertaining and contain the same level of facts.

From above:

As to trace minerals; the two used in these supposed chemtrails are common in any neighborhood in the US: Aluminum dust (from the corrosion of siding), and barium (used in rat poison, brick making, glass making, etc).

Also used for Tesla saucer craft I suppose.
Those people can make up anything but I'd like the link to the source
of how the saucer is connected.
Are there reports of people breathing this dust in airliners going through
chemtrails.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Also used for Tesla saucer craft I suppose.

Tesla Saucer craft?
WTH is that?
Tesla did some neat stuff but he did not build any flying saucers.

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Those people can make up anything but I'd like the link to the source
of how the saucer is connected.

Where the heck did I mention a saucer in my post above?
You want a link to what? Something I did not mention???

Originally posted by TeslaandLyne
Are there reports of people breathing this dust in airliners going through
chemtrails.

No, because chemtrails are contrails, and are nothing more then clouds of water vapor in the atmosphere. If you flew through a supposed “chemtrail” about all you would get is some condensation on the windshield.

The Tesla craft uses Aluminum, and barium in the construction.
Aluminum for the hull which is pitted away by high voltage.
Aluminum reflects the magnetic field making a stronger beam
as in radar beams.
www.kyes.com...
www.kyes.com...
Barium insulation is used in between coil spaces for high voltage use.
Top speed is 300mps or 18,000 mph as given in 1915.
Not much else is known however more and more of the details have
to be researched.

This is also for you defcon; you must not have read any facts presented or watched the media video's.

OBAMA CONSIDERS CHEMTRAILS

President Obama is full of surprises. But even expectant reporters were taken aback when White House science adviser John Holdren used his first interview on April 18, 2009 to announce, “Global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.”

With the first feedback effects from methane releases starting to kick in and our space colony's atmospheric CO2 levels surging toward the “Do Not Exceed” redline of 440 parts per million, Holdren declared that the Obama administration is considering “last resort” technologies to chill the global greenhouse village - aka the 'hood.

Is the Obama administration about to “out” chemtrails?

Referring to “radical” technologies that include spreading a sunlight-reflecting artificial cloud cover, Holdren declared, “It's got to be looked at. We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”

Since only a fraction of incoming solar radiation reaches the Earth's surface, this chemical sunscreen “would have more impact if done high in the atmosphere,” the NAS said. It might even “destroy stratospheric ozone.”

Why?


Because spraying megatons of fine particles into the stratosphere clumps chlorine compounds into giant ice clouds. When struck by sunlight, these chemical clouds refract prismatic fragments like rainbows. And become highly corrosive to ozone.

Ken Caldeira was the climate expert who ran the computer simulations at the Lawrence Livermore atom bomb labs. He too warned that the stratospheric spraying of sunlight-reflecting chemicals could “destroy the ozone layer” - as well as posing human health risks.

Nevertheless, the NAS enthused, “Perhaps one of the surprises of this analysis is the relatively low costs at which some of the geoengineering options might be implemented.”

Each “dust distribution mission” would require a 500-mile flight lasting about an hour and a half at a delivery cost of just $500 per ton of sunlight-reflecting chemicals

In 1996, the United States Air Force released its own feasibility study. Produced by seven high-ranking officers, “Owning The Weather In 2025” described this “high-risk, high-reward endeavor” in terms of “splitting of the atom” - before going on to describe how “Weather Force Specialists” could lay down “aerial obscuration” materials behind tanker aircraft.

“Global warming is too serious to be left to the politicians,” Teller later told the Wall Street Journal. “Injecting sunlight-scattering particles into the stratosphere appears to be a promising approach. Why not do that?” [Wall Street Journal Oct 17/97; Hoover Digest 1998 No. 1]

In fact, it was already being done. Chapter 4 of the IPCC's WGIII TAR SOD report looked at deliberate, large-scale manipulations of Earth processes. Intended to advise policy makers around the globe, the IPCC report pointed to the plausible “potential” of Ken Caldeira's computer models and Teller's sunscreen scenario. Though a few specks of the proposed chemical spray could have severe human health impacts, Teller and his cohorts proposed spreading 10 million tons of these shiny particulates to send about 1% of incoming sunshine back into space.”


CHEMTRAILS CONFIRMED

First confirmed by Airport Authority Terry Stewart at the Victoria International Airport on Dec. 8, 2000 as a “joint Canada-U.S. military operation” - and stridently denied by senior officers at Canadian Forces Base, where Stewart later told the Vancouver Courier he had received his information) - these tanker plane missions were verified in March, 2001 by the Air Traffic Control manager for the northeastern seaboard of the United States.


In three taped interviews with veteran radio journalist S.T. Brendt, our “Deep Sky” source said he had been ordered to divert incoming commercial flights away from USAF tankers spraying a reflective substance showing up on ATC radars as a 'haze'.


This FAA disclosure came on March 12, 2001 as squadrons of radar-identified air force tankers saturated skies over the northeastern United States with characteristic Xs, grids and parallel rows of broad, expanding chemical plumes.

After counting more than 30 big jets spreading persistent plumes within 45 minutes over remote rural Maine, ST Brendt called her assistant WMWV news director. Richard Dean and his staff went outside and counted 370 chemical trails over the next six-and-a-half hours. During this time, local Air Traffic Controllers reported only nine commercial jets on their radars

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS CONCERNED OVER CHEMTRAILS

One month after the 9/11 attacks, Deep Sky began phoning Air Traffic Controllers. At Chicago's O'Hare airport, all three major airports in New York, as well as Los Angeles LAX, San Francisco, Atlanta, Cleveland, San Diego, Washington DC's Dulles and Jacksonville, Florida controllers were being ordered to route airliners beneath formations of air force tanker planes spraying chemicals that clouded their screens.


Several smaller but busy airports at Westchester County in New York state and Manchester in New Hampshire confirmed similar experiences. Every controller, without exception, was being told to divert commercial traffic away from these military aircraft, and bring them in lower to avoid “experiments” that could degrade their radars.


Cleveland airport controllers were surprised by the extent of obscuration on their radars

CHEMTRAIL SCIENTISTS SPEAK OUT

Ohio is the home of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base tasked with developing Tesla, HAARP and related weather modification technology. In December 2001, a Lawrence Livermore scientist on loan to Wright-Pat told Columbus Alive reporter Bob Fitrakis that two different projects were being conducted. One involved spraying microscopic aluminum particles parallel lines, X-patterns and grids to create artificial cloud cover and lessen global warming. Barium chemtrails were being used to direct the military's beam weapon in Alaska called HAARP for 3-D imaging, electronic warfare - and steering the jet stream.

HR2977

Just two months before, Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich had ignited a Congressional firestorm by introducing HR2977. His “Space Preservation Act” called for the peaceful uses of space and a ban on “exotic weapons”. Section 7 specifically sought to prohibit “chemtrails”.


Kucinich later told Columbus Alive that despite official denials, as head of the Armed Services oversight committee he was well acquainted with chemtrail projects. “The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense - 'Vision for 2020' - that's developing these weapons,” Kucinich told Fitrakis. The U.S. Space Command mission statement calls for “full-spectrum dominance of space, land, sea and air.”

Both USAF tankers had flown south out of Alaska. As Dickie, the kids and the controllers watched, the big jets began making patterns over Edmonton - “circuits” the controllers called it. “Petro 011” and “Petro 012” were working alone in “commanded airspace” from which all other aircraft were excluded.

And they were leaving chemtrails.

“The signature is significant,” one radar operator commented, referring to a trail clearly visible on the scope extending for miles behind the KC-135. In contrast, a JAL flight on the display left no contrail.

www.willthomasonline.net...

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WW, go to your link, the willthomas link, and scroll down to the guy in front of the campaing posters for "Maria Minna". Next to that photo is a photo of an airplane, with an apparatus attached to its tail.

THAT is an airplane designed to spray a mist of WATER to simulate icing conditions. Other airplanes fly behind it, to pick up ice, and measure the accumulation, its aerodynami effects on that airplane, and its anit-icing or de-icing equipment capabilities, as installed.

I find the [i[willthoms information dubious, at best, bordering on the hysterical. (Not hysterical as in 'funny', but hysterical as in 'Chicken Little' panicky).

Remember when we see the pictures of contrails, and the jets making them? The contrails ALWAYS are forming from directly aft of the engines. IF its a two-engine jet, there are two trails, which may or may not merge. Same with the four-ngined jets. Very few three-engined jets, the MD-11 and its cousin the DC-10. In Russia the Tupelov 152.

I've shown videos of widebody jets dumping fuel. I know exactly where those nozzles are installed on the B767/B777 model airplanes: They are well outboard of the engines, they are mounted just inboard of the outboard ailerons. Similar configurations exist on other big jets, smaller narrow-body jets don't have fuel dump capability.

Here’s another photo you see in “chemtrail” videos, with the implied suggestion that it’s some kind of evil spraying device:



Actually it IS a spraying device, but quite innocuous. It’s on an NKC-135A (55-3128) with the refueling boom modified to spray water. This used by the air force to test icing of planes in flight.

Here’s the original photo:

contrailscience.com...

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The author had to make an assumption showing similar planes and the capability of spraying, whether it is de-icer or chemicals.

I believe they use military planes, as well as the solid white planes owned by the UN.

As you saw all commercial aircraft are not allowed in the area at the time of spraying.

If you dont believe it by now you never will.

Sounds bad.
Radar reflective Chemtrails confirmed, aluminum dust anyone.
Yet we must further pollute the skies.
Completely ignore science.
Completely ignore observations.
They only follow orders of geoengineering from Illuminati central.
These guys are hacks compared to Tesla.
And what they say of Tesla is a lie.
Many projects are made by Illuminati funding to keep people away from
the natural science.
The Tesla "Death Beam" was an aircraft propulsion system.
How wrong can people be.

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Whist the UN owns some airplanes (mostly smaller and operated in third-world areas on relief efforts) they also charter, mostly:
www.un.org...

I did a search at airliners.net for the UN airplanes. There are a lot of aviation enthusiasts around the World who contribute their photos.

The largest I found was this Ilyushin (Russian-built):



Next, found two examples (so far) of the MD-80. Here's one:



Note it is leased from 'Swiftair'. A thoroughly doubt an MD-80 will spray much, you know I do have a type rating on the DC-9/MD-80.

BTW, in the willthomas link, there is a photo taken from inside the cockpit of an airplane...guess what? I know what kind of airplane that is! Hint: An MD-80!

If you visit the airliners website, you can look at the pictures of other UN airplanes.

Another BTW...ALMOST every jet looks all-white, when observed from many miles away...like at 6 or 7 miles up (30,000 to 36000 feet)

Now...the ATC claims, from willthomas? I'd like some corroboration before I believe them. They sound made up, to me.

Originally posted by wonderworld
reply to post by weedwhacker

 

Another thing to check would be neutrino cloud seeding, neutrino atmospheric effects and planes, it's only one variable in the mix. After all this is still a conspiracy theory right?

conspiracies normally have some evidence to suport them.

I really have no idea what you're talking about but contrails such as we see today have been around for 80 years, have been studied extensively for at least the last 40 years and I've never seen any mention of neutrinos in any papers on the subject.

Maybe you could refer me to a few?

I do assume you've read up on the subject?

I'll be honest and admit that there have been so many different studies into contrails, especially over the last 20 years , that I haven't read every paper.

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Thanks for the links to the white UN planes. I'd need to check further but I'm not sure if these are the correct white UN planes. I'm not sure they have the words UN on them.

They may be solid white. I dont know if they are owned or leased by the UN; although operated by them, including the US military but act as seperate entities.

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I really have no idea what you're talking about but contrails such as we see today have been around for 80 years, have been studied extensively for at least the last 40 years and I've never seen any mention of neutrinos in any papers on the subject.

Maybe you could refer me to a few?

I do assume you've read up on the subject?

Here is one link you asked for I have several more if you need them. The use of neutrinos is simply a newer and different technique to create the same effect and outcome. Like I said it is only one variable to the project.

The technology involves manipulation of the ionosphere. The advanced techniques involve application of artificial electromagnetic field intensities. For example a cyclone can be created by these methods but the challenge lies in guiding the cyclone or typhoon to the adversary’s infrastructure in the warfare. For that, scientists are using defection shields by which solar flares can be deflected at the eye of the cyclone and drag it in the desired path.

Artificial manipulation of ionosphere can create massive cyclones and typhoons. But the mare use of ionosphere can only create the seed. The application of electromagnetic flux and creating a temperature differential is what makes a cyclone menacing.

Scientists have struggled to understand the best process of guiding the storm or manipulated weather. Many methods have been used. One of the recent methods used is bombarding neutrinos at the center of the eye of the cyclone or typhoon. Electromagnetic guiding of the cyclone is gaining ground.

The counter measures adopted by the countries against covert weather manipulation warfare are also remarkable but are still in its infancy. One counter measure as opted by some countries is the application of artificial electromagnetic flux from the outer space to neutralize the deflected solar flares in the eye of the storm.

Eventually it will be weather manipulation warfare from the outer space.

www.greatdreams.com...


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And you actually believe that rubbish? Why???????

I despair at times, I really do.

Artificial manipulation of ionosphere can create massive cyclones and typhoons. But the mare use of ionosphere can only create the seed. The application of electromagnetic flux and creating a temperature differential is what makes a cyclone menacing.

The ionosphere is many, many miles above the troposphere where weather systems occur. And the sun daily affects the ionosphere far more than HAARP ever can. Either way, it has no effect on low level tropospheric weather systems. In the same way that pouring boiling water in to a 10,000ft deep pool of water doens't affect conditions at the bottom of the pool.

If you can produce evidence to the contrary I'm willing to accept I'm wrong. But I require evidence, not opinion.

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If I had all the evidence I'd be rather well known. Here is some evidence.

There are many uses for neutrinos, most are great like the AMANDA telescope. There are other neutrino experiments that are not used for good purposes like cloud seeding and weather manipulation and HAARP. Some of the experiments are MERIT, , MICE, RAL, EURISOL= (from Europe).

I read somewhere about a neutrino bomb. It would make one wonder how a nonzero mass could cause a catastrophic effect. I think that portion is more hypothetical at the moment, either that or they’re not talking?




Read #4 - Atmospheric neutrino fluxes and extended air showers. Also called experiment K2K below;


www.iop.org...

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I think some of the Mercury Jets are equipped with LN2 Precooling system and a 15-T copper magnet.

Here is a white Mercury jet; I forgot why I came to this conclusion. Proof is almost impossible to verify, with many different angles and viewpoints. This plane somehow may be connected. It's a nice looking plane. The inside is also impressive.








It certainly doesnt look like a sinister plane. I think if you search mercury planes and neutrinos you might find something.


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Nice planes.
How do the pilots react to all the Chemtrails.
Are Chemtrails even an issue with the day to day pilots.
The UFO is mentioned rarely but we know some pilots have seen UFOs.
Why not Chemtrails.
Do Pilots see the Chemtrails that ground people and photographers see.
How do they react to possibly breathing toxic dust.
Is there the same silent treatment being played here.