reply to post by Willbert
I would like to know what qualifications if any, allows you to inform us as to how others would react and what they would do? Giving a
plausible scenario which may or may not play out, you're asking us to accept in good faith that a government official would actually tell the truth
and be transparent to the general populace.
For start 20 years of observation on humans gives me a pretty good insight into what people are likely to do.
Washington is a cutthroat place. If you have any dirt on you that gives your opponent the edge, they will use it on you. I don't care if they are a
part of the NWO, their own megalomania will win out every time, and they won't hesitate to step on you in a heartbeat just to get ahead.
Don't believe me? Ask any political pundit they will all say the same.
reply to post by maybereal11
Thank you for shedding some reason on this seriously misconceived theory. I was starting to think I was alone in thinking this was utter bull.
reply to post by Robin Goodfellow
You're right. I've no interest in seeing the birth certificate. What I would like is any type of at least semi-coherent explanation of why
Obama and/or his staff did not immediately show it when first challenged.
Because he doesn't have to. He has provided a legal form of identification that has been verified by the issuing agency. There is no need for him to
provide further proof.
Again, (and of yet no one has come up with an answer for me on this, perhaps you will)
Where in the constitution does it say that a long form birth certificate is the only acceptable form of proof one needs in order to become President
of the United States?
The verified COLB isn't good enough for you? Well guess what, that is too bad. It's good enough for the courts who have already dismissed this exact
case a couple of times for lack of legal standing. You as an American citizen do not have the authority to demand this mans personal papers. He after
all is an American citizen afforded all the protections under the 4th Amendment to the United States Constitution. That means in laymen's terms, if a
court does not require him to provide said information, he damn well doesn't have to.
reply to post by eightonefive
and to "whatukno" saying that asking to obama to produce documents proving he is a us citizen is illegal search and seizure? Were you dropped
on your head as a child? Is that the best you can come up with? Are you part of Obama's Organizing for America Volunteer Organization? Because you
seem to have your head so far up the presidents *** that you can't read the facts in front of you. Get off his *****, that's the first ladies job.
Time and time again you have been given the facts and yet you still can't keep from rehashing th same old bull$*** about us being racist.
No I called you all Nazi fascists not racists. Again don't play the race card with me, doesn't work. Don't start that "your a racist" crap with
me, that is the way wrong tree to bark up.
What FACTS have I been given? Speculation, assumption, and a demand for something that isn't yours to demand. Yes it would be a violation of the
presidents 4th amendment rights to be coerced into providing a document that he was not subpoenaed to provide.
I have been given hearsay evidence that has latter proven to be false, I have been given bull [snip] presented as evidence with absolutely zero basis
in reality, I have been given assumptions based on libelous and slanderous accusations without merit.
If you had bothered to read any of my other posts in other threads you would see that for the record I think that Obama is a crooked politician that
is leading this country into a socialist state. Something I am equally against.
But go ahead, insult me, belittle me, accuse me of doing whatever to the president his wife should be doing. Ain't gonna change my mind that on this
issue the facts have already been presented, and they don't go the way of a conspiracy.
The amount of Fascist leanings in this thread makes me sick. Demanding papers from another citizen without due process? The last time I checked this
is America, where we don't have to provide our papers to just anyone for just any reason. If any one of you demanded my long form birth certificate
on the street as proof of my right to be in this country I would laugh in your face.
What makes any of you think that just because this man is the POTUS he has to give up his rights afforded to each and every citizen under the
Constitution? Where does it say in the Constitution that the man that is primarily in charge of protecting and defending the Constitution and the law
has to do so without the basic protections it guarantees?
I suppose if someone were to go ahead and make a law subverting the fourth amendment so that Obama would have to provide your narrow speculative scope
of what proof means, you would be all to happy about it going into law now wouldn't you? Despite the future consequences to personal liberty and
To some of you maybe personal liberty and freedom doesn't mean much. Maybe to some of you it would be easier to just throw away that dusty old
document and give up our freedoms for a fascist state. But not me. If the Constitution protects me, I expect it to protect the person we elected to
run this country.
I don't like this new mindset in America. I don't like what the last 8 years has done to liberties flame here. I for one don't want big brother
(not to mention john q public) that much access to my private life.
Like many Republicans, I think the government should deliver the mail and stay the hell out of my life.
But people in this thread don't seem to share that ideal. I guess to them it's ok to step on the Constitution when it doesn't go along with your
agenda. I guess some in this thread don't like civil liberties afforded to us by this document.
People in this thread are saying "Atchung! Papers please!" without the legal or constitutional grounds to do so.
"Just show the damn form already and shut us up"
Show us yours first. Post your long form birth certificate in this thread. Do it. I bet you won't will you? Why? Because it's none of our damn
business, and the same goes with Obama.
By saying show it already you people sound like a bunch of Fascists living in Nazi Germany. You people when you say that are offensive to everything
that liberty stands for. By saying that, you suggest that this man has no rights under the Constitution and the law. How dare you deprive a citizen of
this great nation the basic liberty of innocence before proven guilty! Who are you to demand this?