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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 12:49 PM
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Question: Can a North Korean missile hit the U.S.?

Answer: I dunno, but I bet Sean Hannity is birthing his own poop-baby right about now...disturbing development, for him--Sean Hannity--not that whole spy-on-North-Korea thing.

Question: Why can't we just nuke whatever we perceive as evil?

Answer: I dunno, but I hear preemption is all the rage these days; extinguish cultures before they poop their own poop-baby.

www.youtube.com...

plucky




posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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I think it is fairly clear by this point that NK is not planning to attack South Korea. All it is doing it putting on a big show for the media, and US already stated that while it is prepared it is not buying it. If anything the US demonstrated civility and composure by not replying with sabre rattling and war threats of its own (for the most part). What many people don't seem to realize is that the main objective of the NK regime with recent actions is to elicit some sort of aggressive or threatening response from the US. This will play right into Kim's hands.


They want to fire off another ICBM or test another nuke? Let them. They are technically not breaking any international laws and there is no reason to believe that US or its allies are in imminent danger. Let NK go all out and vent their anger. Nothing is going to happen. There will be no war, as long as US itself doesn't start it. It's time to call NK's bluff and move on. The worst US can do to Kim at this point, is to ignore him and keep calm.


All this talk of preemptive strikes against NK is really absurd from both political and military viewpoints.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Hal Turner is reporting this :- (not 100% sure about him personally)...

Washington, DC (TRN) -- The U.S. National Reconnaissance Office which manages United States military spy satellites, issued a frightening alert this morning regarding North Korea.

According to the alert, which was seen by the Turner Radio Network, U.S. spy satellites code named "Misty-2" and "Lacrosse -4" detected a "diffuse energy signature" emanating from a standard ocean shipping container loaded onto an ocean going container ship at the port of Chiongjin in northeastern North Korea.

The energy signature is one that could be expected if a nuclear bomb was inside the shipping container.

That ship has set sail into the Sea of Japan.

The vessel is now under constant satellite surveillance and the U.S. Navy is deciding what to do about it. A military officer with knowledge of the situation told TRN:
turnerradionetwork.blogspot.com...



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:52 PM
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As much as I would want the US to be front and center dealing with NK,I really dont know if we are better off following some one elses lead on this one....

We damned if we do, so unless an immidiate threat to us is dealt we should let someone else take the rap...Cause no matter what,the world will find something we did inhumane or uncivil..

Tired of seeing my country being treated like the red haired step child of the world....



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:20 PM
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What´s N.Korea playing at anyway, do they want to get wiped out or what?



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by komp_uk
Hal Turner is reporting this :- (not 100% sure about him personally)...

Washington, DC (TRN) -- The U.S. National Reconnaissance Office which manages United States military spy satellites, issued a frightening alert this morning regarding North Korea.




Hal Turner has no credibility whatsoever. None.

Until another source report this, it is wise to regard this as fantasy.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by komp_uk
Hal Turner is reporting this :- (not 100% sure about him personally)...

Washington, DC (TRN) -- The U.S. National Reconnaissance Office which manages United States military spy satellites, issued a frightening alert this morning regarding North Korea.




Hal Turner has no credibility whatsoever. None.

Until another source report this, it is wise to regard this as fantasy.



Right about that but he has given some very accurate info at times. He nailed the bank stress test results. I think he does have a good source on the inside. It wasn't till SK and the U.S. said they would search all ships out of NK did lil Kim throw a hissy fit. He has a package to send to Iran and thats why. We have sank one of his ships before when it had missiles on it bound for another country.

We will know if another NK ship gets sunk by one of our subs and then hear no more about why.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 05:25 PM
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Originally posted by platosallegory

I'm not a big Bush supporter but North Korea would never saber rattle like this with Bush in there. Obama should have came out and shown North Korea that he's not going to have them threatining the world.

Instead, he says he wants to work with the international community and sign a tough worded letter.


Surely you haven't already forgotten a) Which US president it was who strutted onto the world stage at the United Nations and labelled North Korea a part of the so-called "Axis of Evil", and b) which strutting US president was in power the LAST time North Korea carried out an underground test followed by several medium and long range missiles... and who did nothing except splutter and posture some more before scurrying back to his faux-ranch to play golf, fall off his bicycle and cut down dead brushwood?

Anyone who has taken the time to read unhinged evangelist Michael Gerson's account of how the "Axis of Evil" speech was concocted, and the blatantly dishonest, probably criminal reasons behind the insidious creation of the propagandised notion of an "Axis of Evil" to frighten the West into supporting Bush's desire to illegaly attack Iraq, would maybe be taking a longer, more pragmatic view of all these developments, and see them for what they really are.

You know and I know that this is all - from top to bottom, side to side - about guaranteeing that America always has a scary foreign Boogeyman to point at to justify pouring trillions of dollars into the coffers of the Military Industrial Complex. They need to keep you all filling your pants on a daily basis with lurid "news" reports created by Pentagon plants in the media about the insane agression of The Enemy, because by doing this they guarantee that all those of you who cowed, compliant citizens have a desperate craving for your Government to keep you "safe" will continue to allow your military to empty your country's coffers to pay for their agression abroad, but don't ever forget: North Korea could have been brought back into the fold any time over the last twenty or thirty years, but the awful truth is it didn't suit the agendas of all those have profited unbelievably from maintaining the status quo.

If any of your last six presidents had ever given a damn about that absurd, unprofitable concept called "peace", they could have attained it for a fraction of the cost by... get ready... here comes those words that you seem to all hate so much... Statesmanship and Diplomacy. Oh.. and Keeping Your Word.

North Korea has gone back to this brinkmanship because the US has once gone back on its promise to take NK off the "Axis of Evil" shortlist after decomissioning their nuclear fuel production facilities (which they basically did, but have resumed again because the US went back on its word. Big suprise there, then...).

They know that they're not going to be attacked because they too have The Bomb, they have a huge standing army of insane, brainwashed, fanatical soldiers who will die to the last man for their Glorious Leader; that puts them in a different league, and quite frankly everyone knows that after decades of isolation those guys are frankly insane and are now undoubtedly dangerous, thanks to decades of punative unwarranted sanctions against them.

Yes, something needs to be done, and it needs to be done quickly, but all those of you here who continually spout trite phrases like "wipe them out" or "kick their a**es" or whatever nonsense you've been conditioned to shout don't seem to have armed yourselves with enough informed perspective on this and are missing the point, and by doing so you play right into the hands of those who are happy to goad North Korea into an apocalyptic conflagration, because there's huge profit to be made, and the provocateurs certainly won't be sending THEIR sons and daughters off to the Korean Peninsular to die for nothing. It'll be YOUR children dying yet again, like in 1950.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by platosallegory

I'm not a big Bush supporter but North Korea would never saber rattle like this with Bush in there. Obama should have came out and shown North Korea that he's not going to have them threatining the world.

Instead, he says he wants to work with the international community and sign a tough worded letter.


Surely you haven't already forgotten a) Which US president it was who strutted onto the world stage at the United Nations and labelled North Korea a part of the so-called "Axis of Evil", and b) which strutting US president was in power the LAST time North Korea carried out an underground test followed by several medium and long range missiles... and who did nothing except splutter and posture some more before scurrying back to his faux-ranch to play golf, fall off his bicycle and cut down dead brushwood?

Anyone who has taken the time to read unhinged evangelist Michael Gerson's account of how the "Axis of Evil" speech was concocted, and the blatantly dishonest, probably criminal reasons behind the insidious creation of the propagandised notion of an "Axis of Evil" to frighten the West into supporting Bush's desire to illegaly attack Iraq, would maybe be taking a longer, more pragmatic view of all these developments, and see them for what they really are.

You know and I know that this is all - from top to bottom, side to side - about guaranteeing that America always has a scary foreign Boogeyman to point at to justify pouring trillions of dollars into the coffers of the Military Industrial Complex. They need to keep you all filling your pants on a daily basis with lurid "news" reports created by Pentagon plants in the media about the insane agression of The Enemy, because by doing this they guarantee that all those of you who cowed, compliant citizens have a desperate craving for your Government to keep you "safe" will continue to allow your military to empty your country's coffers to pay for their agression abroad, but don't ever forget: North Korea could have been brought back into the fold any time over the last twenty or thirty years, but the awful truth is it didn't suit the agendas of all those have profited unbelievably from maintaining the status quo.

If any of your last six presidents had ever given a damn about that absurd, unprofitable concept called "peace", they could have attained it for a fraction of the cost by... get ready... here comes those words that you seem to all hate so much... Statesmanship and Diplomacy. Oh.. and Keeping Your Word.

North Korea has gone back to this brinkmanship because the US has once gone back on its promise to take NK off the "Axis of Evil" shortlist after decomissioning their nuclear fuel production facilities (which they basically did, but have resumed again because the US went back on its word. Big suprise there, then...).

They know that they're not going to be attacked because they too have The Bomb, they have a huge standing army of insane, brainwashed, fanatical soldiers who will die to the last man for their Glorious Leader; that puts them in a different league, and quite frankly everyone knows that after decades of isolation those guys are frankly insane and are now undoubtedly dangerous, thanks to decades of punative unwarranted sanctions against them.

Yes, something needs to be done, and it needs to be done quickly, but all those of you here who continually spout trite phrases like "wipe them out" or "kick their a**es" or whatever nonsense you've been conditioned to shout don't seem to have armed yourselves with enough informed perspective on this and are missing the point, and by doing so you play right into the hands of those who are happy to goad North Korea into an apocalyptic conflagration, because there's huge profit to be made, and the provocateurs certainly won't be sending THEIR sons and daughters off to the Korean Peninsular to die for nothing. It'll be YOUR children dying yet again, like in 1950.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 05:30 PM
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Oops! Double post. Sorry! Deus ex machina!

Maybe a Mod can delete the copy?

[edit on 30/5/2009 by jupiter1uk]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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if NK launches an attack at SK, we WILL jump in the fray. we have 28 some odd thousand troops in SK and the rest of the US military will respond in kind to defend american citizens. the thing that gets me thinking is that no more troops are being ordered to SK at the moment..i dont think that this means that the government does not expect a confrontation...i think it means they want to cut their losses... i can honestly see it coming to us nuking them before they nuke us. to be completely honest, i would rather have that than soldiers losing their lives in a conventional war, when it can be solved in one big blast.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Darkblade71
North Korea is testing the US as it has for years.


Hi Darkblade,

North Korea is still and have for fifty years tried and tested new weapons with which to defend itself if the US choose to again get involved in the affairs of the Korean people.


Thier ruler is a freak and off his rocker.


No more so than Bush and neither have commited any foreign police acts that isn't part of the long standing programs in their governments. Bush could barely ride a bike, speak or chew his food and yet he didn't nuke the Axis of evil.


I wouldnt trust him with a knife and fork let alone a nuke. We are still at war with North Korea, there was never a peace treaty and it is one of the tinderboxes of the planet.


Yes and this is why the North Koreans have been forced to spend themselves into dire economic strait for decades. Why does the US refuse to sign a proper peace treaty with the Koreans and give them a chance to prove that they actually want to go in a different economic/political course? Where are the North Koreans wrong when they beleive that the US might invade them too? I mean Iraq didn't have WOMD or links to terrorism and Afghanistan didn't have OBL or proven links to the WTC terrorist either? I mean why on earth should'nt the North Koreans be desperately affraid of korean war round two when they US keeps invading and bombing countries that never attacked or threatened to attack the US?


But honestly, I think its just an attention grabber, North Korea has been trying to force the US into face to face talks for years.


Yes ,exactly, they desperately want a proper peace treaty!


They do stupid *##@# trying to force us into some sort of deal to get them more food and money, the people in NK starve while the gov spends all thier money on the military and nukes......


Well millions of Americans live in poverty as well ( plenty of malnourished children etc) and who has the power to do the US significant harm without suffering the same fate? I mean how is the actions of North Korea any different when they arm themselves in self defense other than perhaps the fact that they have to bankrupt themselves to manage a defense that the US could sweep aside without endangering American citizens at home?

If you are so afraid of the North Koreans imagine how they feel or how Iraqi's and Afghans must feel?

Such unadulatered hypocrisy.


Stellar



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by komp_uk


Question: Can a North Korean missile hit the U.S.?


Yes. Once they work out the bugs, they have a missile that will reach the bases here near Anchorage where I live.

I noticed yesterday that there are more flights than usual coming and going from Elmendorf.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 07:03 PM
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I had to highlight the text on your Avatar to find out your in Capetown.

We don't have the type of poverty you allude to in the United States. To even go hungry you have to do it on purpose. That is a Myth that the Communists used to spread during the Cold War.

If you are alluding to the Homeless Drug Addicts, Mentally Ill and Alcoholics, they chose to live that way. They don't have to live that way. Anyone can get Foodstamps and Food Banks are everywhere. I could fill the back of a truck for free in a day with free food if I wished. No problem.

You seem to be Pro-NK. Are you a member of the Communist Party in South Africa? Just curious where your point of view comes from and why you are unaware of the true conditions in the US. You got that Propaganda from somewhere?

The US Troops in Korea are to protect South Korea from invasion, not to contain or do anything else to NK. NK gets all its energy and goods from China not the US. When they starve it is because China won't supply them. They are constantly begging from us but they always lie and break their promises.

All NK has to do is disband their military, pick up farm equiptment and they would be fine and have open trade with China. It is their choice to make.

You should do your homework before you side with a Regime as evil as the one in NK. Or do you approve of the forced worship of a Supreme Leader / God? Do you worship him? Of course not. So why defend him?



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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I have just watched a horendous video of inside North Korea.
If that is the way the leader treats his people then I dont think there will be any hesitation on the leaders part.

I mean wow. Those people looked like they want to be nuked and soon.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
I had to highlight the text on your Avatar to find out your in Capetown.

We don't have the type of poverty you allude to in the United States.
To even go hungry you have to do it on purpose.


Hi Blaine,

Well Blaine about ten percent of US citizens used to live below the federal poverty line and while that may not mean much in terms of starvation in Africa there is a subset of those that frequently have to skip meals or live on less than is healthy. This is not something you will find out by watching the news thought.

www.scoop.co.nz...

I have some more article's but perhaps it's time you did some actual research?


That is a Myth that the Communists used to spread during the Cold War.


And yet the children and homeless are still there and starving.


If you are alluding to the Homeless Drug Addicts, Mentally Ill and Alcoholics, they chose to live that way. They don't have to live that way.


People choose to live that way? Really? Perhaps they should live like you and believe that every person who sufferes deserves it or did it to themselves? And then you blame the communist....


Anyone can get Foodstamps and Food Banks are everywhere. I could fill the back of a truck for free in a day with free food if I wished. No problem.


Then the 3-4 million Americans who experience episodes of hunger ( have to skip a meal or two a day for a few days or weeks) must just be stupid? I am not suggesting it's Somalia or anything but to say that it's their fault is strange indeed.


You seem to be Pro-NK. Are you a member of the Communist Party in South Africa?


I have no party affiliation and i am not pro- North- Korea. What sort of fundamentalist mind presumes that because one is against US imperialism you must be for the tyrannical regime in North Korea?


Just curious where your point of view comes from and why you are unaware of the true conditions in the US. You got that Propaganda from somewhere?


From US news sources such as that liberal CIA, heritage foundation and the US census Bureau...

www.census.gov...
www.heritage.org...


The US Troops in Korea are to protect South Korea from invasion, not to contain or do anything else to NK.


Like the German troops did in their half of Poland in 1939? US troops are not in South Korea to protect South Koreans but to protect the economic interest of the US national security state.


NK gets all its energy and goods from China not the US. When they starve it is because China won't supply them.


Actually North Korea trades with a few countries including to a ever larger extent with South Korea. When North Koreans starve it's because they are being blockaded and can not import food fast enough in times of crisis. I mean half a million Iraqi children starved during the sanctions but i suppose you will blame Hussein for that? I mean the whole point of sanctions is to do what if not to terrorize other countries? Why would anyone argue that the starvation isn't the result of sanctions and blockades? Is it that much of surprise to you that sanctions and blockades work this well?


They are constantly begging from us but they always lie and break their promises.


I would argue that it's the other way round and the only thing they are really begging to get is a official peace treaty from the original Korean war. What are they supposed to do but arm themselves if the US refuses to formally end the aggression against North Korea?


All NK has to do is disband their military, pick up farm equiptment and they would be fine and have open trade with China. It is their choice to make.


No one starved, by accident at least, in North Korea before the draughts and floods of the late 90's and since they were for most of the last half century more heavily industrialized than the South there was no lack of farm equipment. How can they disarm when the US attacked even a armed Iraq that didn't have WOMD?


You should do your homework before you side with a Regime as evil as the one in NK.


And you should stop presuming that i am siding with North Korea because i happen to not be siding with Imperial nations. You really bought into this whole ' Your either with us or against us' thing didn't you? My personal opinion is that there are more fanatics ( religious, and people such as yourself) in the US than in either Iran or North Korea but that's just my 'crazy' opinion....


Or do you approve of the forced worship of a Supreme Leader / God? Do you worship him? Of course not. So why defend him?


I am not defending him or them.
Why did/do so many Americans virtually worship Bush for protecting them (no less; the irony ) against terrorist and other 'axis of evil' nations? If the better educated American people can fall for all this talk of evildoers in other places and nations why shouldn't North Koreans , who are by no means as heavily armed, believe Kim and the gang when they tell their people to be afraid of the US by pointing to the fact that it keeps invading other nations that never attacked the US?

Why is it so hard for you to understand that there are others all around the world that are very afraid , not paranoid such as yourself as the US don't have real rivals for global hegemony, of what the US armed forces might do to them?

I shouldn't even be responding to your post as frankly i don't understand how your mind yields the contradictory paranoid data it does. Where is the introspection that would point to all the inconsistencies?



Stellar



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by platosallegory
I think it's obvious China is backing North Korea and Russia is backing Iran. This is why they act so bold. It's also because they see weakness in Obama.


Hi Plato,

They are not 'backing them' as much as they are making it clear that they can not accept US bases ( the US occupies countries it invades) right on their borders. This is not something they probably want to do but yes, you have to draw the line somewhere otherwise you get Nazi Germany.

As for seeing weakness in Obama how is he shown to be weak by not drawing down troops from Iraq and Increasing troops numbers in Afghanistan while starting a bombing campaign against the Northern tribal areas of Pakistan? Did you even notice how he ( well the US national security state) escalated the attacks against Pakistan displacing millions of Pakistanis and killing somewhere between five hundred and one thousand?


I know liberals hate to hear this but it's the truth. The idea that we could apologize to the world and somehow bad actors in the world will like us is naive at best and at worst dangerous.


What bad actors in the world? Who are you so desperately afraid of? Why don't these 'evildoers' attack Sweden, Holland, Norway or France? I mean the US is conservative and basically a police state as compared to the free loving and police absence in those places? Why do 'they', supposedly, 'hate' the US for it's freedoms when most of Europe enjoys more freedoms and indulges more liberally?

Why do you believe statements that are patently false?


It's like Biden said, Obama will be tested. Not because he's new but because they see him as weak.


How can he be week when he escalated the bombing of Pakistan in the first week in office? What has he done that is different from Bush? How is it weak to go back on your statements of withdrawing troops?


If they think they can get an inch, they will try to take a mile and that's what we are seeing. North Korea is daring the world to try to stop them.


But North Korea hasn't done anything nearly as irrational as invading two countries based on trumped up charges that one case has proven entirely false. When can we start demanding that the US gives up all it's nukes because it keeps invading other countries based on evidence it refuses to give us?


I'm not a big Bush supporter but North Korea would never saber rattle like this with Bush in there.


Their first nuclear test was during the Bush years and Bush didn't declare war despite that or all the missile firings. You not only have a very selective memory but a very short one at that.


Obama should have came out and shown North Korea that he's not going to have them threatening the world.


They are not threatening the world. They are threatening ( as pathetic as their threats are given the power disparity) that they will defend themselves if their ships are searched ( a act of war no matter how you look at it) or their territorial integrity otherwise threatened. This is something everyone accepts as international standard and yet the North Koreans are made out to be demons for asking others to respect them just that much? Why should they trust the US government when it still refuses to sign a permanent peace treaty to replace the ceasefire after the Korean war?


Instead, he says he wants to work with the international community and sign a tough worded letter.


Because that is what civilized nations do. Perhaps the US should leave the UN and other , mostly, civilized organizations and see how long it can invade other nations without serious military consequence?

Sad that there are so many who defend these imperial policies.

Stellar



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:31 PM
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Meanwhile Israel had their largest drill in their history today. A drill meant to prepare the people and military for war.

North Korea, the Middle East?

When it all goes down will Obama have the courage these crises will require?

Oh man, all I wanna do is run the country and the auto companies, I didn't want to deal with this crap.

Anyone still have dubya and Dick's phone numbers?

Where the hell is Joe?

Bring me my smokes, oh and send in Reverend Wright, I need to pray with him over this.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 09:54 PM
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No. Israel STARTED their largest drill ever today but by no means did they hold it today. It will last for several days at least.



Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Meanwhile Israel had their largest drill in their history today. A drill meant to prepare the people and military for war.

North Korea, the Middle East?

When it all goes down will Obama have the courage these crises will require?

Oh man, all I wanna do is run the country and the auto companies, I didn't want to deal with this crap.

Anyone still have dubya and Dick's phone numbers?

Where the hell is Joe?

Bring me my smokes, oh and send in Reverend Wright, I need to pray with him over this.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by BrainPower
if NK launches an attack at SK, we WILL jump in the fray. we have 28 some odd thousand troops in SK and the rest of the US military will respond in kind to defend american citizens. the thing that gets me thinking is that no more troops are being ordered to SK at the moment..i dont think that this means that the government does not expect a confrontation...i think it means they want to cut their losses... i can honestly see it coming to us nuking them before they nuke us. to be completely honest, i would rather have that than soldiers losing their lives in a conventional war, when it can be solved in one big blast.



I just cannot believe for a second that we (USA) would nuke them first.

If we did how would that make us look to the world? We preach to other countrys not to have nukes, but we would use one?

[edit on 5/31/2009 by pcgeek]



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