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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 09:27 AM
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I have not been to ATS much, or done much posting lately. As a Political Sciences Major, I have been learning a lot, that ATS members potentially have no idea of.... Or possibly, they suspect and hope it is not true.

Many people believe that, yeah, the Constitution was basically rendered insolvent many years ago. Sure, it has been used as a talking-point, or recognized by politicians as a way to gain trust and power via votes.

One case at a time, the Federal Government has been shown to over-ride every one of those supposed American freedoms. Basically, those same Constitutional Freedoms that people feel so fondly of, have been impeded... One group of people at a time. The Government makes an example of a group of Americans, and convinces the rest of us that these people are to be deemed unworthy.

This is true. The Constitution has no power against the will of the Federal Government. So.... You need some proof, or examples, don't you?

Here we go.

Is this really necessary? It looks like a direct attack on our own "Right" to "Free Speech"...


Rep. Linda Sanchez Defends Proposed Outlawing of Using Blogs, the Web, Etc. To Cause Substantial Emotional Distress Through "Severe, Repeated, and Hostile" Speech:

www.huffingtonpost.com... - Oh, but it only targets fear-mongering bloggers and web-users, not real people... thank god.


A law that was passed in the 1980's I believe... Gave the impression that it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL to arrest an American, because of debt. Just Un-Constitutional. This is very clear, right?
Constitutional Prohibitions - Fraud - "Imprisonment for debt arising out of contract is generally prohibited by constitutional provisions; but these provisions do not apply where fraud is a factor of the charge."
books.google.com... O_hMzQ&hl=en&ei=BTkhSpLKBZe-tAOw4oiaBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#PPA93,M1
Unless fraud is committed, you can't actually be arrested for debt... Unless you are among those in groups that are UNWORTHY of laws in place, to supposedly protect Americans from Unconstitutional treatment....

Like these unfortunate worthless individuals..
The Hudson County Sheriff's Department has arrested 47 deadbeat dads and is seeking eight more in a holiday season crackdown.
www.nj.com... Thank god we have a government that targets the un-desireables, to spend time in prison, on our tax dollars, for an issue that is personal -- And quite frankly, a family issue -- NONE of our business. Well, at least they are in prison where they will not cause violence against us, they might be home-grown terrorists, afterall.

Another example of UnConstitutional that you might actually give a darn about:



$11,318,024,151,500.77
each citizen's share of this debt is $36,953.66.

www.brillig.com...
So, do you see anything wrong with this, or is this what American 'founders' envisioned?
Is this 'Constitutional', or does your precious Constitution intend for this?
I got an idea.... $36k... If there is a way to make enough average-paying jobs... then every one of us (children included) simply need to give up their wages for a year, and 'our' personal debt will be clear

(sarcasm-end)
-Did the founding fathers just not envision Obama's wild parties in the White House? Or Nanci Pelosi's use of government jets for personal purposes, on the tax-payers' dime? If they did, would this have been included in your precious Constitution?

Come on, the right to Bear Arms?? It is still legal in a couple of other countries, even though they don't have the ridiculous idea that some piece of paper allows it to them. I fully believe in the right to own whatever weapon you want. But let's be realistic.... There is no Constitution allowing for it. Responsible and concerned citizens rally every day to keep such freedoms. If ever enough give up, the Federal Government wins.
-If this was PROTECTED by some piece of paper, right to bear arms and "assault weapon ban"s would be non-issues.

We are being exploited, and have no control. No protections, not even the fantasized rights and freedoms we think we have.

Truth is, what we are seeing is a very natural evolution of society. Just like technology, robots and AI, society must also evolve.
This can either be where everything changes and keeps intact... or like the USSR and Rome, all collapses.

There is more at work, as many know, than just our elected officials. Powerful people all over the world are plotting the evolution of society all over the world. Nobody knows if they will succeed, or be destroyed from within. But I am absolutely positive that WE WILL BE DISPOSED OF, if we try to prevent it from happening.

How can they make it any more clear than they already have? There are no Constitutional Freedoms, and our votes make no difference at all.
I am not saying we should all rush out and accept mandatory vaccinations, or RFID chips... But who wants to live long enough to see what comes next? I assure you, it is not some free-country utopia -- Not for America. We are already deeply entrenched in what comes next for the world.

Please, let me keep this in NWO... This is not a paranoid rant, but a more rational one than I have done in the past.


Anyone able to show me something that proves we still have any protections? Can anyone show that we the people still have power to stop some powerful people from having their way?
-Will edit, if I find problems or more to add to this.


[edit on 30-5-2009 by LostNemesis]




posted on May, 30 2009 @ 10:32 AM
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I dunno, I feel pretty free when I get on my motorcycle and ride from one part of the US to another with a pocket full of cash and everything I need strapped to my back.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 10:59 AM
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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 12:26 PM
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How do I know this is still a free country? Look at what you wrote, now look around you, are you in a jail cell for writing that? No? Well then, I guess freedom of speech still does count for something.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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While I agree with most of what you are saying OP... I am not prepared to completely lose hope yet. Every person that gives up makes it that much easier for them.

I just know to many other people who have not given up yet so I am not will to either.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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I would not dare write anything that would have me detained, especially understanding the laws as they stand now. I am just pretty sure that anything going against those powerful deciders, is considered 'enemy combatant', and this was passed without the American people really being concerned. Patriot Act, the Americans begged to be saved from those terrorists...

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Really Americans are oblivious. As I have said in another thread, I support their right to be oblivious and would fight for it.. because it is their right. The same as it's our right, to not be oblivious.

I think it's us that can either go against the flow, and cause trouble for ourselves... Or go with the rest of humanity, and wonder peacefully what is ahead. You see, Americans/humanity is welcoming these changes by cheering the leaders on... and accepting every law passed against our rights/freedoms. The majority wants this change. They want to remain oblivious.
They want to believe in Obama's "jobs" and "eco friendly" legislations...

Honestly, I believe that America can support itself quite fine without other countries. But, the people in power feel all countries should be on the same level.

I can, to a point, understand it. Country borders are only in place, so that they can command one group of people to attack another group of people; At the same time, making a third group of people very rich.

How about this question, for ANYONE who will answer it.... Americans usually have plenty of food, all resources needed to survive. Because we were lucky to be born with it.
Now, in parts of Africa, people were born without necessities... They die young, from malnourishment/Starvation.
-WHAT made that innocent African child less deserving of life than a newborn in America, just because of where he was born?

Maybe THIS is what the people in power want to fix.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:29 PM
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There are quite a good number of countries where what you have already written would easily get you arrested. The fact that you didn't shows that Western Democracies still do have a good amount of free speech.

I think it would reflect very well upon Americans to look around at the other countries of the world before they complain about how they are "oppressed" or "not free". Just because you don't live in some anything-goes Libertarian neverwas does not mean that you do not have an incredible amount of personal freedom.

This is a primary example of why other nations look at the United States as a country of angry adolescents. The average American does not know what it is like to have lived under a true dictatorship. To have true fear of secret police or to actually wonder weather or not that slip of the tongue will get you killed.

I am now going to say three sentences that in other nations would get me tortured and killed but in the United States, nobody will even blink an eye at:

George W. Bush was a horrible president!
(In North Korea, if I spoke badly of Kim Il-Sung, the previous leader, this would be akin to highest treason, I would be arrested, tortured mercilessly, killed and my body dumped.)

God is a figment of your imagination!
(In several Muslim nations, blasphemy is a high crime, punishable by death.)

I wonder what it would be like to have sex with someone of the same sex?
(Around the world homosexuality is still a capital offense in some nations, people are killed just for following their hearts.)

The United States of America is still a great and free nation. I believe we may have a bit of growing up to do, but that is nothing that we cannot accomplish. Our personal freedoms are some of the best on the planet, and while the government has made several decisions that I would not agree with, and find disturbing, there are many many worse and more oppressed places than here. In the end, we still have it amazingly well.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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There are none so enslaved than people who think they are free, when they are not. My friend, you live in a prison with invisible bars, and soon the jailers will let you and others let see the bars. Your freedom is simply an illusion. Read the OP again, on paper, that freedom no longer exists. Your entire life is at the mercy of the government, and they will decide whether you live or not.

If you are not aware already, the government owns you, owns your assets and owns everything you make. This is on paper. If they want, they can detain you whenever they want, they can liquidate your assets whenever they want, they can erase your records whenever they want. You are at thier beck and call.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
There are none so enslaved than people who think they are free, when they are not.
[edit on 30-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]


Your arrogance is incredible! Tell what you say to the woman in Saudi Arabia in jail because she did not have a male escort to got to the market; to the man in North Korea being tortured because he looked across the river into China; to the family in Sudan, killed because they were born in the wrong tribe; or to the boy in Somalia, pressed into a pirate army and made to fight the entire world's navies to satisfy a warlord.

If I am imprisoned, at least I can work to give others the same kind of cell I have.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 07:31 PM
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Can I ask WHAT Americans have to do with a Saudia Arabian woman in jail, for customs that she follows in her culture? Or, what do we have to do with any other scenario you mentioned?

We are where we are, because of ancestors fighting to assure tyranny didn't happen on their watch. Unless that is what you are likening AMERICA to? What in the world did Americans do to cause oppression in the 3rd world? I am failing to see how anything you are saying is relevant to America or my topic.

Is this your way of saying -I WANT- America to be equal with the rest of the 3rd world?

No offense, but Americans are just as much to blame, personally, for oppression in the world, as Canadians and Brits.

Can you kindly tell me what you THINK my first post is saying? Even you cannot come up with proof that we still have the freedoms you mentioned. And no, it has nothing to do with a woman in Saudia Arabia, and how she interacts with her own culture.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 07:59 PM
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These horrible states that Jimmy points to are exactly where we are headed if this budding fascism is not checked and mated. The velvet glove will be removed from the iron fist as soon as the pretext can be invented and sold to the terrified population. We do still have the shambled remains of a once free society but they are quickly falling from the husk.

Resting on our laurels as `freer than some medievil torture state` while quickly quickly heading in the same direction aint cutting it in this random posters opinion.

[edit on 30-5-2009 by Neo_Serf]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 11:17 PM
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Well gee, I guess if it's in another country it's not at all the problem of the world's only superpower, largest military and largest economy! What's a woman in Saudi Arabia or millions of Jews in Germany, I mean they're both just because of the prevailing culture right? I can't imagine why anyone would dislike the United States with an attitude like that.

As for your original post, alright I'll humor you. You want a Libertarian Shangri-La, a beautiful land that never was, where deadbeat dads are protected over their starving children. A land where the government does not deal with other nations because the cost involved in diplomacy would need taxes to back it up. A land where anyone could buy a nuclear weapon if they have the money to do so, and use such in self-defense.
However, after all, this isn't about to happen when there is some psychopathic shadowy New World Order that is out to get all of us. They of course want to kill every single person, regardless of the fact that it is completely illogical to do so. I mean we don't live in a democracy, because obviously everyone would want this Libertarian paradise, and the fact that "they" tell us that a majority of us voted one way must mean they're lying. In the end you know suicide looks pretty good, because really whom would want to live in a world where we can't have everything "we" want?

If this was not the intent of your original message I suggest you check your rhetoric, because there is still something of a paranoid rant to your thread.

Now to answer your claims.
Yes you are correct, we have done away with debtors prison in the United States, and inspired and grand decision I might add. However, one is still bound to fine in court order, including child support and much more minor things like parking tickets. You know you can go to jail if you don't pay enough of those too right? Not paying child support is a form of fraud here in our fair republic, specifically defrauding one's offspring of their right to care.

As for weather or not our Founding Fathers could fathom of President Obama's parties, and Speaker Pelosi's trips, I'm pretty sure the fetes we had for the French and trips we sent Mr. Franklin on around the Revolution could compare nicely. As for weather or not they could imagine a national debt, refer to why Mr. Franklin was sent on his trips.

As for the issue of being able to purchase whatever arms one wishes, well keeping up with the Jones's would probably involve a couple trips to the Boeing Phantom Works instead of Home Depot wouldn't you agree?

You can keep your idea of what should be LostNemesis, as for the majority of Americans and myself, I believe in our More Perfect Union quite nicely. Time will tell weather or not you are correct in your idea that we are headed for some kind of totalitarian socialist dictatorship (which by the way is a violation of what it means to be Socialist, hence my not capitalizing it). I am quite happy to take that bet though, in fact I'd wager my life upon it.



[edit on 30-5-2009 by ProjectJimmy]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Jimmy,

You point out Saudia Arabia as if I support them. I don't. Stick to the topic: Americans/Western world and the loss of freedom. Soon we will have even less freedom than the Saudia Arabians. Actually already on paper this is the case.

I want you to first understand why this is happening. First get rid of any beliefs you have of the "government" looking after our best interests.

You will be will aware that this world is controlled by a tiny handful amount of people, that we know as capitalists. They keep the masses alienated from each other and encourage competition between them to remain in power, so basically while everybody else fights amongsts themselves, they will not fight their ruling elite. We depend upon these capitalists for everything we consume(food, drink, entertainment). In turn the "government" also depends upon these capitalists, because that is where they get their private funding from especially during war time.

Now try and see this from the perspective of the capitialist. They own everything, they have great power, and from their perspective the common man is nothing more than a drone that works for them. How much care would you have for a drone if you were a ruling elite, and how would you relate to a drone? You would probably see yourself as a different species., a more superior species. You are there at the top of the ladder because you have the skill and intelligence to get there, while the others are there below you because they lack the skill and intelligence. You could not help not lookling down on the masses and see them as something sub-par. As soon as you start seeing the masses as sub-par, using them as a means to an end would not be a moral problem for you.

Now imagine how pissed of you would be if the drones started forming workers unions, started rebellions, formed pressure groups and made life hard for you and basically behaved as something other than a drone. You would want to show them their place - "drones"
Now let us come to the constitution - that constitution that once existed was your only defense against not being just a drone for the capitalists, but having some degree of autonomy - it gave you civil rights.
They are now all but gone. Now you have no defense against the ruling elite enslaving you.

Let me let you onto a secret: They hate you. You are nothing more than a sub-par human which they consider a primitive species. Instead they want a new post-human, a new super-race of biologically and technologically augumented humans through DNA designing and technology to maximise production and effiency. This is why, if you do your research, you will discover the elite strongly support eugenics and genetic programs. They will very casually suggest "depopulation. How can I put this subtly? I can't. They want you dead. To them you represent the "old species" and there are simply too many of you to manage(up to 7 billion) and to start the new species, your numbers need to cut down by at least 80% for their post-human agenda to be successful.

[edit on 31-5-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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Alright, I think I've got the rules: Don't make a counterargument that defeats yours, and I should just believe you without any solid proof that what you say is true. Let me let you in on my little secret...

I've seen the evidence on this, I've had it thrown at me for years. I'm a journalist, a member of your much-hated "Mainstream Media". As such, every NWO theorist I've ever met has thrown "sources" at me to check out. Now I come from a very well off and well connected Canadian-American East Coast family. We have interests in both the aerospace and health care industries. I've had many people ask me to look up members of my own family, not knowing I was related to them, as members of the so-called New World Order.

If this in turn makes me somehow part of the conspiracy in your mind and you don't want to continue this, so be it, but your loss entirely.

I have looked into this, quite a bit, objectively, as a journalist should. The reason that these things don't appear on CNN and the pages of the New York Times is because we, the people that report on the news, have standards of proof that must be met, and we have found nothing nearly what would be needed.

When you say "get rid of any beliefs you have of the 'government' looking after our best interests" that is a huge, amazing leap of faith to make! I know people in the government, lots of them, my parents included. I offer to you instead of making this leap of faith, which is far easier for someone whom already has existing hatred for our system, to get to know your political officials and government workers. They're mostly normal people trying their best, and that's all.

In short I guess I'd say either put up the proof or drop it. You're not going to convince me by making some cool sounding conspiracy argument. If you have something I haven't seen yet, I'd love to be enlightened, otherwise, perhaps it is you that needs to wake up from your dream world.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Indigo_Child,

It is futile to attempt to change a person's mind who's mind is not ready to be changed. This can only be successful if the change comes from within. This is the beauty of free will, and as we all have irrefutable evidence to show those who are still asleep, it is ultimately up to them to decide whether they are ready and willing to wake up or not.

Jimmy,

It should not be a difficult task for you to locate evidence of what is happening around us. Your skilled journalism should allow you an easy time.

However, here are a few references for your convenience.

Georgia Guidestones

Endgame - Plan for global depopulation

NWO Plans to Depopulate The Earth

...just to name a few.

The reason I believe more people are not aware of these happenings are either because they are too distracted by mundane things including celebrities, sports, and other various forms of entertainment, and the next new product, or because they were taught something completely different growing up and are too indoctrinated to believe anything that does not include the words 'Government' and 'Conspiracy' within the same sentence.

Most people are not willing to know what is really going on. Just because the majority of Americans do not know of or believe what is happening does not make it a dream. The real dream is the American dream, because you truly have to be asleep to believe any of it.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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How is there not enough proof ?
I am tired of saying this , but just do your research better.


What makes the world run?

How is the flow of money in the world controlled?

What can money do to also control the flow of information?


The reason these things do not appear in CNN is because that would most likely mean no more funding to CNN. The reason you do not "have" strong proof for that is because of fear.


Most of these things can be easily found in public dominion , it is not like it is that hard to find what you seek Mr. journalist

Proof is at your face.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 05:03 PM
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When you say "get rid of any beliefs you have of the 'government' looking after our best interests" that is a huge, amazing leap of faith to make!


It is an amazing leap of faith to make that the government is not looking after your interests? Wow, this is a very interesting world you live in. In the world I live in the government is known to routinely lie to its public, peform experiments on their public, and are involved in many black programs which involve using the media as propoganda to fool the public. They are also known(Henry Kissinger etc) to have sponsored genocide programs in the world. In the world I live in governments are known to enslave their public(Nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia, Mao's China) and this continues to this very day. I am sorry, but in my world it is not a leap of faith to consider that the government is not looking after our best interests.

You are a journalist and so I would expect you to have research skills. It is not hard to find the information on NWO, depopulation and eugenics. You simply google the terms and on the very first page you can get loads of information. Here is a research exercise for you: Find out about US Standard Oil, Boeing and Prescot's Bush's funding of Hitler, and how they made profits out of Nazi cocentration camps.

Another research exercise for you is to look up the 13 elite banking families which control the USA, own the federal reserves, and most of the capital in the world. You can also look at their plans for global government and global bank, there are plenty of quotes from the horses mouth itself floating about on the internet. A personal favourite is Rockefeller's quote, "We are a secret cabal working against American interests" in his own bibliography.

Then look up FEMA concentration camps, red and and blue lists and Ashcrofts plans to detain citizens during martial law.

Happy researching.

Anyway what I have told you is correct. The world really is controlled by very few people(capitalists) and hence capitalism duh. They really are above and beyond the workers, they are a separate class from them, with their own world, with its own regulations, cliques(Bilderbergs etc) and they really do support eugenics and depopulation. Your only defense was your constitution from them. Now you don't have that either.

This is not about believing. You are really in a vulnerable situation and have no defense against your government. You are living now at their mercy. Sure you have "faith" but faith will only take you so far. Having no consitution is like leaving your doors open when you sleep. Only a fool would take such a risk.

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posted on May, 31 2009 @ 05:36 PM
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To further solidify the arguments that the Government has performed experiments on it's own population, here is a link...

U.S. Government Experiments On It's Citizens

Now, in all fairness to you Jimmy, and members of the U.S. Government, we cannot paint all employees with the same brush. I am sure there are many good, and innocent men, and women simply working at their jobs to the best of their ability. However, they are merely pawns in the grand scheme of global dominance. If half of these people knew the agenda they were helping to assist, I believe they would not be where they are now. The government is too secretive and opaque for it's / and our own good.



posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:21 PM
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“You'll Most Likely be Wiped Out...” applies to many people in all parts of the world and definitely you. I still believe in our Constitution, even though it is in danger, it still is a powerful idea. I am not the only one on this site or American that has the same feelings. Yes, we have a government that is out of control but we, our parents and grandparents allowed it to happen. We were warned by the founding fathers about many of what ills society today yet I have faith in Americans. I believe that there can be a peaceful solution. Your claims against the Constitution, however, are invalid. Because a member of congress or a senator makes an outrageous claim does not make it a law.

Presidents write directives all of the time but are they law? Of course they aren’t. As you are a student of political science, you should study case laws and their interpretations by the Federal district courts and Supreme Court. We still live in a republic and a very recent ruling by the 9th district court, the most liberal of all courts, re-enforced the rights of all Americans to keep and bear arms as written in the second amendment.
I am a sovereign citizen and have unalienable rights that I am willing to fight for peacefully or with my blood as my forefathers once did. I am not the lone voice in this cause and there are plans to take this country back from the people who claim to be in power.

Once the Federal Reserve collapses, people will wake up to what has happened since its creation. Our once mighty dollar is now worth $0.03 since the creation of the Fed.
You could become proactive and help get people elected like Ron Paul or his son who is now running for a senate office in Kentucky. You could attend tea parties. You can form groups that turn their collective backs at political rallies when the politicians begin to speak. You can talk and influence your friends and neighbors that this fight has nothing to do with liberals vs. conservatives or blacks vs. whites. This is what the people in power want. We need a united front to get these current legislators out of office. We need to install term limits to a maximum of two. Eliminate all of the perks like pensions for life, health care and the like for short term elected officials.

Mostly we need to quit whining and get active in our communities and start there. We the people are the government and grant them privileges where we have natural rights. Your examples are rather minor if you can look at the bigger picture. You can not see the forest because of the trees.
The Dude Abides.



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