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What my cousin likes to say, mainly in trying to persuade me to stop writing on this forum, is that some are just not called and forget about them.
The truth is, you are god. Your soul is an individual consciousness of the father. All are connected and so forth. As it is impossible for you to not exist, then what happens is that you are absorbed by the father. You go back to where you came from. So you do not exactly "die", but "you" as an individual dies.
Originally posted by Deaf Alien
That is another possibility.
However, I can argue the same thing about individuality as for each of us to exist at any time.
Your gain of individuality = birth
Your loss of individuality = death
Same argument still stands.
What if we are ALL eternal beings? Infinite numbers of souls? Playing games forever and ever and ever?
Originally posted by holywar
Where was Adam before God created him, WHAT was Adam before God blew the spirit of life into him?, where did Adam go when he died?
God said to Adam: if you eat of the tree, you will die
Satan said: no... you won't REALLY DIE.
Do you see where this "we don't really die" concept really comes from? From the father of the lie.... Satan.
The thing is, Adam DID DIE, he did not continue to exist in any other form. God cut off Adam's "life support" which is God's spirit, or his breathe of life.
But of course Satan had to cover up his big lie, so what does he do?
That's right, he made popular the false teaching that we don't really die but continue to live in some other form. He covered up his lie quite well if you ask me.
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
What if the real scary thought is that we are powerless and are just being carried away with the tide. Being in a game gives you power to control your environment.
There's another theory which I believe (and which this thread points to): we are all eternal beings playing games. There are no heaven or hell, only what we make them to be.
8All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
10Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold.
11For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
12I wisdom dwell with prudence, and find out knowledge of witty inventions.
13The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
14Counsel is mine, and sound wisdom: I am understanding; I have strength.
15By me kings reign, and princes decree justice.
16By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
17I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
18Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
19My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
20I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
21That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Originally posted by holywar
why do you keep quoting scripture... is the Bible where you're getting your wisdom from?
No, but what I quoted is true. You accept it as authority, so I did it for your benefit. Plus, I like the poetic wording usually, and it provides a commonality for understanding. Easier to speak to someone who speaks german in the german language.
Gather unto me seventy men of the elders of Israel, whom thou knowest to be the elders of the people, and officers over them; and bring them unto the tabernacle of the congregation, that they may stand there with thee. And I will come down and talk with thee there: and I will take of the spirit which is upon thee, and will put it upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with thee, that thou bear it not thyself alone.
And Moses went out, and told the people the words of the LORD, and gathered the seventy men of the elders of the people, and set them round about the tabernacle. And the LORD came down in a cloud, and spake unto him, and took of the spirit that was upon him, and gave it unto the seventy elders: and it came to pass, that, when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied, and did not cease.
But there remained two of the men in the camp, the name of the one was Eldad, and the name of the other Medad: and the spirit rested upon them; and they were of them that were written, but went not out unto the tabernacle: and they prophesied in the camp. And there ran a young man, and told Moses, and said, Eldad and Medad do prophesy in the camp.
And one of his young men, answered and said, My lord Moses, forbid them. And Moses said unto him, Enviest thou for my sake? would God that all the LORD'S people were prophets, and that the LORD would put his spirit upon them!