Sweat=Threat? Army looks at 'Abnormal Persperation' as Sign of "harmful Intent"

Sweat=Threat? Army looks at 'Abnormal Persperation' as Sign of "harmful Intent"

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If you walk weird, make funny faces, or sweat a little too much — watch out, when you walk into an airport. The U.S. military wants to use those irregularities as “indicators” of “possibly suspicious and harmful intent.”

The Army recently asked for proposals for a new suite of biometric sensors that will hunt for bad-minded people by examining their “expressions, gait, and pose” from afar. The “Image Analysis for Personnel Intent” project is also supposed to spot would-be evil-doers through their “abnormal perspiration and changes in body temperature.” (Note to would-b

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The article goes on to say: "The idea has been around for a while. Pentagon wacky science arm Darpa spent millions of dollars looking for unique “odortypes.” In 2002, by a team of Minnesota scientists used thermal changes around the eyes to spot deceit on a test of 20 new military recruits. The researchers claimed that their system nabbed the liars about 80 percent of the time - the same as a standard polygraph test. The following year, Boeing patented a device that used hyperspectral scans to identify surges in body temperature prior to “a stress-induced blush.” Hyperspectral systems monitor wavelengths of electromagnetic radiation, which are emitted by living, breathing bodies, and can detect faint changes in heat that precede blushing or perspiration."

I have personally been accused of being up to no good by a cop because I was sweating, and he wasn't. Nevermind that I was wearing a leather jacket and had just finished running.

This is unbelievable to me.

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Well here in Phoenix we'd all be under lock and key.

We sweat more than a call girl at a baptism.

Same here. In Florida during the summer all the tourists going home would get snatched up.

I guess you could gauge body temp and perspiration to detect that type of thing. Kind of like using body temp and heart rate as a lie detector.

A little to Minority Report for my taste though. At least they won't be using Precognition though.

Well I sweat a lot. I don't know why, but sometimes i'll think of something funny or embarrassing that happened before and I'll start to sweat just thinking about it. I also get nervous around authority figures, not that I have anything to hide, it's just a common response. So I guess if they started to grill me I'd fail even though I have nothing on me.

P.S. You should see my friend, he sweats just from standing up

I have Palmar Hyperhidrosis.

My palms are sweaty just about 24/7, regardless of my mood or my thoughts. Obviously, the Army needs to get a better research team.

All praise the new technology that marks us as guilty before we ever actually commit a crime!!! I will sleep well at night knowing that no smelly sweat-hog has been able to broach my beloved airport!!!

I took a trip to Europe last year. Caught a flu (no , no swine involved) day before flight home, so in airport after aspirin kicked in i started sweating like after a marathon,on a sudden. I guess that judging by temperature change (40 in the begining and then the drop) and sweating i probably would have activated this system.
And since, gladly, there are much more ill people with similar story then "bad-minded, how my supposed arrest in the same case is going to help except for me sneezing and infecting security personal???

I sweat so much so i think i will travel by boat. Crazy people running these things, i will let them smell my arm pits, lol.

Example that socialism is absolutely crazy and only for bullies and murderers.

[edit on 5/29/2009 by andy1033]

Initially I was alarmed by the article

But then I calmed down when I remembered the re-assurance from some ATS members here that are x-soldiers that the Army is here/there to protect our freedoms.

*phew*

that was a close one!

Remember, according to a few vets here the army is doing this so we don't have to, and it is their duty to not disobey orders.

Thanks

Morons, they use more than just the sweating detection for flagging would be baddies. They also look into the heart rate (yes they are working on technology for remotely reading a person's heart rate); the stance of the person and the way they're walking; are their eyes darting back and forth or appear nervous, etc.
A lot of this is based off of stuff developed in human psychology and behavior to certain types of situations, how the body reacts to high amounts of stress. There is a science to this and sweat is by far not going to be the only thing.
If you plan to blow up a building or take down an airliner with you over the Atlantic, 10 times out of 10 you are going to be doing more than just sweating over it.

Originally posted by spec_ops_wannabe
Morons, they use more than just the sweating detection for flagging would be baddies. They also look into the heart rate (yes they are working on technology for remotely reading a person's heart rate); the stance of the person and the way they're walking; are their eyes darting back and forth or appear nervous, etc.
A lot of this is based off of stuff developed in human psychology and behavior to certain types of situations, how the body reacts to high amounts of stress. There is a science to this and sweat is by far not going to be the only thing.
If you plan to blow up a building or take down an airliner with you over the Atlantic, 10 times out of 10 you are going to be doing more than just sweating over it.

So being worried about this type of profiling makes you a moron? Interesting....

What about the guy who is nervous because he may miss his plane? Or because his girlfriend walked off and he's not sure where?

Also, it is proven fact that heartrate and the such can be controlled through concentration/meditation. So no, 10/10 times a person trying to pull something off will not be showing all these symptoms.

There is nothing moronic about questioning these things. Only about blindly accepting them.

I used to use London tube trains to commute to work until I was lucky enough to get a job I could drive to. I can assure you, some of the BO definitely had foul intend to terrorise my nostrils. I tells ya, the whiffs must have been in contravention of several articles of the Geneva Convention.

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Heart rate, perspiration, stance and maybe one more criteria is taken into consideration.

1 out of 4 isn't going to get you detained.

This could work, but probably won't be implemented.

I guess there is no more Innocent Until Proven Guilty is there?

Next stop for sweaters, the "No Fly List".

God forbid you're late for your plane and have to book it to the gate. You get there and everybody starts yelling "Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda!!!!".

Peace

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Evidently, people think this criterion is somehow applied to whether they will detain you or not.

It isn't.

They detain you because THEY WANT TO. They don't need these kind of indicators unless they feel they will have to EXPLAIN your detention. Think about it.

Your antsy, nervous, and sweaty. Will they detain you? Probably not. They will detain you if they are so inclined, and when you appear before a judge demanding redress for the detention they can say, 'he/she was sweaty and made us suspicious." BANG! Case closed. Reasonable suspicion based on policy guidelines. Done and Done.

You need to remember, they tried electronic lists, they tried racial profiling, they tried everything they could to make their near-whimsical need to exert their "authority" over you acceptable. As long as people object, they will contrive new means to 'determine' you are worthy of detention - when in practice, they do WHATEVER THE HECK THEY WANT TO. There isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

The Republican/Democratic Party (yes - singular - they are ONE party) lives in fear of the day when they can no longer "get away with it". Thus, they will squeeze the freedom right out from under us, until we finally accept that as far as their ideology is concerned if I feel like you might be guilty - YOU ARE; thus putting the onus on you, the citizen or traveler, to prove otherwise.

Way to abandon the centuries of social evolution which brought us the Magna Carta, the Constitution, and something we like to refer to as 'civil liberty'.