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Okay so... these people have strange ideas and you immediately assume they are terrorists, communists or whatever...

Looks like you are generalizing many people here.

First off, communism is a good idea. Without human involvement.

Extreme Muslims? Where did you come up with that?

Last I heard this was a board for discussion of nearly anything, so strange ideas will pop up. Free Speech, free country, blah blah blah.

Lastly, I think you are a member of the Taliban, an 'extreme muslin, AND A communist altogether just because I can.

Just a suggestion. Al-Qaeda are more likely to do the infiltrating. Even though the Taliban are best friends with Al-Qaeda they wouldn't have much use in trolling these boards. Also there is a huge debate on the politically correct term for "terrorist" and apparently the Department of Homeland Security says that we should call them militants. Even though all of the intelligence community and the like call them Jihadists. Go figure. And yes in Post-Soviet Mother FSB monitors all of your packets!

I have noticed some of this behaviour myself. I would estimate there are at least these several types of groups.

1) anti-Americanism agents. These people hate the USA and always state how evil, imperial and barbaric they are and in everything they have done and do. This includes a lot of Westerners not from the USA who view insulting the country as a means of rebellion against USA government policies.

2) anti-Israel agents. These people hate the state of Israel and blame it for every single evil that happens in the Middle East. Every negative action they take and every mistake they make is placed under the microscope. When they take military action, it is always seen as disproportionate and never because of the need to keep its citizens safe.

3) anti-Muslim agents. These people take great pleasure out of bashing Muslims in general and painting Islam as a violent, chaotic and uncivil religion. They ignore the fact that most are peaceful and pleasant.

4) anti-religion agents. These people repeat the same argument refuting religions and doctrine. They do not really care about being reasonable, rational or fair. They get a high out of bashing those who believe God does exist and will find any mistake/contradiction in a holy text and site that as their proof that one does not exist.

5) 9/11 agents. I'll be careful with this one. There are people on both sides who don't seem intent on finding out the ACTUAL truth. They just have such a strong belief in what they think is the truth that their minds actually cannot be changed.

6) Troll agents. Don't think this one needs to explained.

Of course this could all be apart of my imagination.
Of course I could be in a certain group myself trying to discredit other agents.
Of course I might be insane.

[edit on 30/5/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Somewhere in some posting of mine recently I summed up how certain opinions are reinforced on ATS.

Example: if you come here questioning whether 9/11 was an attack by Muslim terrorists *or* a planned event by some combination of the US admin, it's intelligence agencies, the Israeli government - you will see the latter view argued by more members to far greater length and volume.

From random samplings in many threads I see a pecking order of guilt and innocence among various nation, cultural, ethnic groupings.

GUILTY: Tier 1) Americans, Israelis, corporations, Jews
Tier 2) the British, progressive affluent Europeans, the Vatican
Tier 3) the Chinese, Russians

INNOCENT Tier 1) Muslims, poorer nations, black Americans
Tier 2) the UN, Hispanics, black Africans
Tier 3) third world Asians, people in former European colonies

I'm sure most ATS members reading this will find my breakdown outrageously biased and agenda driven.

It is not.

I read thousands of threads every month. Yesterday a Shiite mosque was bombed in Iran. True to form the majority of accusations were immediately pointed at the US and Israel.

The majority opinion on UFOs is that they exist and the US military is hiding their existence.

The majority opinion on the Palestinian conflict is that Israel is completely guilty.

The majority opinion on the Global Meltdown is that the prime cause was the US, Jewish bankers, and secondarily the British and Europeans

Eloquent and compelling arguments are presented for many sides of arguments that involve politics, religion, economic and social issues

But the weighting on most threads ends up pretty much in the groupings I outlined

Is there a bias involved? Could there be a concerted effort from some source to convince the young and impressionable that the people in Group A are responsible for world problems? Is this just a normal function of conspiracy sites which tend to gravitate to rebellion against authority thinking? (Authority being the relatively successful, governmental corporate, militarily empowered)

Am I some disinformation agent of the NWO? A neo-conservative?

Or am I just someone neutral observing how the more vocal members of ATS seem to be somewhat hostile disenfranchised males searching for new information that reinforces the views of a world in which they are the perpetual victims of powerful people, institutions, ethnic groups, who wish to exploit them and rob them of their freedom?


Mike

Hmm something like half the things listed I believe in? How much do turbines cost and where can I get one?

you mean to tell me our government has infiltrated our site?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

no wonder our country is going to hell in a handbasket. we've been giving them all our ideas!!!!!!!!!!

oh and by the way,you said:
12. We should give up our weapons, our religion, the power of the majority

please u2u me. i'll give you an address where you can send your weapons.
ahhhhh,i'll watch them for you.
PS please send some .223(ball preferably) you can never have too much!


[edit on 30-5-2009 by Spectre0o0]

Back to the topic:

I do agree in principle that some people here register only to push one point of view on a narrow band of subjects. Perhaps they meet the definition of insurgent.

I do not believe this is necessarily a bad thing, it merely presents an opportunity for the community at large to respond to those beliefs reflected in the 'insurgent post'. If these posts are performed for fun or more nefarious practices I can only offer an unverifiable option without researching forum threads more closely.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
ATS has been infiltrated by the enemies of the USA. It could be the Taliban, extreme Muslims, or Communist nations like China or former Soviet Republics whose citizens still hold on to their old beliefs.

So what if they have. Don't they need to believe in Christ Jesus as well?

How else will they be converted? Through physical warfare instead of spiritual warfare?

[edit on 30-5-2009 by In nothing we trust]

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude


Havent you ever wondered why someone would believe some of the things that are discussed here? You know things like:
1. Alien adbuction and communicating with aliens. There being 4th or 5th dimension realities or current time travel so that nothing can be seen as real.
2. A hollow moon or secret societies on the moon. PlanetX/Nibiru. People who say they believe John Lear and the livingmoon.com
3. The moon landing being a hoax. NASA hiding the truth.
4. The universe being a giant electric contraption, aka. the Electric Universe.
5. Over untiy devices.
6. Anti-gravity or tech in general being a product of alien technology exchange.
7. Rocks on the moon or mars that look like skulls or wreches or giant obelisks, etc..
8. NWO, Jews, Reptillians, Annunaki, Indigo Children, etc being superior or ruling the world or even existing.
9. We should never fight in a war, because war is evil, regardless of what someone did to you or may do to you. They want us to hate the very people who are here to protects us and believe 911 was a conspiracy
10. We should become some form of communism, socialism, or anarchy. Things like lets all share everything or not work and let the machines do it for us.
11. We should expect the government to take care of us, and expect them to make life fair for all.
12. We should give up our weapons, our religion, the power of the majority.

I'm gonna throw this out there. Chance that all of the above are in fact true, High. Chance that taliban communist terrorists have "infiltrated" ATS, Slim to none ..and slim just got banned for violations of the T&C.

Originally posted by Chronogoblin
Trying again eh JSBD? I noticed you like to be the center of attention, which is why, IMO, you create such inflammatory threads. You are a troll, and therefore, unworthy of the attention you so crave. No one agreed with you on the Bush/Cheney thread, so of course, everyone else is the issue and not yourself...

Of course.

So now ATS has been 'infiltrated' by 'unknown' subversives designed to do all manner of who-knows-what...

Right.

I'm done reading your threads. I hope one day you get some help for that attention-issue you appear to have. Good luck.

Chrono

I think the OP knows how to play the game. He knows what the people want to see and hear and he gives them what they want.

Look at the number of replies, flags and stars he has in less then 24 hours.

Look around the board at the really decent posts. They may have a lot of views, but few replies and no flags or stars.

ATSers want posts that make their blood boil. They like to be be offended and insulted, it gets their creative juices flowing.

Good job OP keep them frothing and posting.

I don't really agree with the OP. What are you saying exactly? That anyone who discusses far out topics...or topics that are outside the box, so to speak, are agents or enemies? Because if that is so then, i guess a lot of ATS members fall into that category.

To be honst i don't get the point of this thread at all. I don't understand how the discussion of certain topics will "dumb" people down. I read about many different topics. It doesn't mean i believe them. I use my own judgements and opinions, i don't just believe any old thing.

For example, i have read about holograms supposedly being used in the 9/11 attacks. Personally i don't believe that. It doesn't mean i slag off those who do, or accuse them of being so called "agents" or "infiltrators."

Originally posted by Tentickles
Okay so... these people have strange ideas and you immediately assume they are terrorists, communists or whatever...

Looks like you are generalizing many people here.

First off, communism is a good idea. Without human involvement.

Extreme Muslims? Where did you come up with that?

Last I heard this was a board for discussion of nearly anything, so strange ideas will pop up. Free Speech, free country, blah blah blah.

Lastly, I think you are a member of the Taliban, an 'extreme muslin, AND A communist altogether just because I can.

First principles, Clarice. Simplicity. Read Marcus Aurelius. Of each particular thing ask: what is it in itself? What is its nature? What does he do, this man you seek?

How can one say communism is a good idea without human involvement? How could a political system exist without people?

Extremest Muslims = Terrorists or Potential Terrorists or their supporters. You know the ones that blow up when they touch a Jew or an American.

People are free to discuss whatever. I just asked whether or not there is a group posting things just to crush peoples spirits or cloud their minds.

Thanks for opening your mind. Maybe I am the things you accuse me of..maybe not, but at least you thought about it.