Criminals don't visit gun shows, page 1
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Topic started on 29-5-2009 @ 01:10 PM by emsed1
From the Force Science Research Center:


From a pool of more than 800 incidents, the researchers selected 40, involving 43 offenders (13 of them admitted gangbangers-drug traffickers) and 50 officers, for in-depth exploration. They visited crime scenes and extensively interviewed surviving officers and attackers alike, most of the latter in prison.

Here are highlights of what they learned about weapon selection, familiarity, transport and use by criminals attempting to murder cops, a small portion of the overall research:

Weapon Choice:

Predominately handguns were used in the assaults on officers and all but one were obtained illegally, usually in street transactions or in thefts. In contrast to media myth, none of the firearms in the study was obtained from gun shows. What was available "was the overriding factor in weapon choice," the report says. Only 1 offender hand-picked a particular gun "because he felt it would do the most damage to a human being."

Researcher Davis, in a presentation and discussion for the International Assn. of Chiefs of Police, noted that none of the attackers interviewed was "hindered by any law--federal, state or local--that has ever been established to prevent gun ownership. They just laughed at gun laws."



Interesting to note that NONE of the criminal shooters got their gun at a gun show.

I don't think it's possible to extrapolate that everyone who visits a gun show is a good guy, or that every gun purchased at a gun show will always be used lawfully. However, I think all the effort and money being spent on 'gun show loopholes' and 'assault weapon bans' would be much more effective if spent on education and enforcement.

My state is one of only two that disallows concealed carry in any form. Having spent the first 2/3 of my life in Texas and the last 1/3 here (IL) it's always interesting to me how hard it is to pick out a concealed-carrier at home (TX) and how easy it is to pick out the "prints" on nefarious characters here that laugh at the law.


reply posted on 29-5-2009 @ 01:20 PM by Miraj
reply to post by emsed1


It doesn't surprise me. Studies like this are released all the time, but they get ignored. Most democrats dont know that there is a 4:1involving gun incidents.

the 4 being the rate at which guns are used defensively, and the 1 being the rate at which guns are used in a crime.

Which of course implys that, every gun you see in a gun store is four times likely to save a life than take a life.

There is also the fact that; disarming civilians causes gun crime to spike.
I believe the austrailians loosened their laws regarding guns, because they realized that total bans (except for people like farmers) don't really work.


reply posted on 21-6-2009 @ 02:22 PM by oconnection
reply to post by emsed1


When guns were banned in the UK the first year, violent home invasions went up 300%. It's been proven that an unarmed populace has no means to defend it self and the criminals and or government takes advantage. The fact that they bring up gun shows is propaganda in my opinion. Passing stricter gun laws and regulations plays mostly in favor of criminals that get there weapons from the black market.

In America, we are armed to the teeth, thank God. In my opinion it's one of the last rights that hasn't been trampled on.

Recently my uncle had a armed robber break into his home. My uncle prides himself with the fact he lived a quite and peaceful life but boy is he stubborn. When he refused to open his safe this man shot and almost killed my uncle. Now what would happen if my uncle perhaps had a weapon in his home? Maybe it wouldn't of turned out the way it did, maybe not. The point is that weapons are for self defense for the honest citizen, the criminals will get there weapons any way they can, out side of normal channels.

If a guy like me can figure this out, why can't our government and media? I feel there is an agenda to erode our 2nd Amendment but they know before they take our rights away it must have popular support. So we see all the hype and propaganda on the news, the Obama administration backing stricter gun regulation. Even one member said we must ban assault weapons because the problems in Mexico.

Really, as a law abiding citizen, has the world gone retarded and mad? Or can we assume something more sinister is at work here?

[edit on 21-6-2009 by oconnection]


reply posted on 27-6-2009 @ 01:31 PM by ldyserenity
reply to post by emsed1


I think It's long been established that criminals don't get their handguns from gun shows or, from sporting goods stores, for that matter. They all get them illegally by buying stolen handguns, stealing hand guns themselves, or from underground distributors that get them here either legally or illegally from outside of the country. However, if we made it a law to lock up handguns somewhat less would be on the streets as it'd be difficult to steal them if they were kept under lock and key. And tighter security on borders would also help diminish the numbers.


reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 12:24 AM by jd140
reply to post by ANNED


Well if they were cops then they lost around 500 or more each time I took their money.

I really doubt they were though, you can tell by their age and mannerisms if they are cops or not. Some of these kids looked about 16. None would have been over 21.

Either way, I still got my spending money.



reply posted on 28-6-2009 @ 12:36 AM by UFOTECH
bumperstickers.cafepress.com...

Here is the afore mentioned gun control bumper sticker.
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