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new Russian Video: Security footage update

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:14 AM
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This video is believed to be related to the security footage video at Udmurtska, it is particularly interesting-do planes fly within view of launching rockets?

source:www.--.com...













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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:17 AM
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Yep, still a rocket. Cool find though.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Did that white light make a spiral in the air?

Is that the same white light from the first video? If so that's very interesting..



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:28 AM
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Originally posted by starfemme1
these two video's are believed to be related to the security footage video at Udmurtska, the airplane video is particularly intersting-do planes fly within view of launching rockets? (be sure to check out the one I couldnt embed below it is by far the more interesting one.)

source:www.--.com...



the other one I don't know how to embed but is on the article or here:

mreporter.ru...!viewReport.do?reportid=22324







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the first video you posted has been on youtube for over a year !



www.youtube.com...

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:40 AM
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reply to post by easynow
 


Thanks..................I have updated the post accordingly and sent an email to the source.

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 05:37 AM
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reply to post by bl4ke360
 


What does the spiral signify?



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Are you kidding us with this? AllNewsWeb is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. The Russian footage is CLEARLY a rocket launch, end of story. To make it into anything but that is nothing more than making your mind up first then trying desperately to find evidence (and twist evidence) to fit one's belief.

I know people around here seem not to be able to let go of something when it is agreed on that the specific evidence is indeed earthly and mundane, but in order for this subject to move forward in the future people need to actually "deny ignorance" rather than embrace it. I have seen a few videos that got my heart racing, only to be disappointed that there is indeed a real explanation for it. Sucks, I know.

I don't mean to be brash here, and re-reading this I can see how it could come across like that, however I assure you I am typing this with a smile on my face. Because every time stuff like this is posted, it just gives us another chance indeed to actually deny ignorance, and the thousands of people that visit this forum and lurk will learn a little more about separating the signal from the noise properly.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
..nothing more than making your mind up first then trying desperately to find evidence (and twist evidence) to fit one's belief.


I know a few debunkers who also do that.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:41 AM
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..........mmmm.....the title of the article is 'Rocket or UFO' (hint:mentions the word Rocket)



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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reply to post by karl 12
 


You are absolutely correct. The problem happens on both sides of the isle, but I'm sure you will agree it happens far more often on the "believer" side.

I think too many of us are not flexible, that's the real problem. We are so caught up on trying to be right, vindicated, look smart, mighty...you name it....that the real casualty is logic, reason and common sense.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:43 AM
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Anyway so what if it is a Rocket.....both clips (the security camera) and this plane are still quite striking and worth watching.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Chill out! UFOs are about truth but they are also about a bit of fun.
As soon as one dismisses the notion that planet earth is the centre of the universe and the only planet to hold technological civilisation the idea of ET visitors becomes a logical proposition....but it is also a hobby for some and hobbies are supposed to be fun!



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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Hmm...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

*cough*




posted on May, 29 2009 @ 07:09 AM
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Is it not possible to just discuss the actual footage.....and not the website that published it. Hey , if you were on that plane don't you think that would be one hell of a sight to behold....rocket or UFO?



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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Rocket all the way.

Very cool sight but most definitely a rocket.

Something a supposed reputable UFOlogist should be able to spot in their sleep.




posted on May, 29 2009 @ 07:32 AM
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I realise that the rocket is very far from the plane...would planes fly so close to rockets in Oz? (I mean theoretically)

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 07:59 AM
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It's hard to tell exactly how far the plane is from the rocket and with a bit of scouring we could find what distance the no fly zone is for rocket launches.

But here are a couple of vids I found showing shuttle launches from planes:

60 miles south of Cape Canaveral:



Landing at Tampa:



One taken by a parachutist:




posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:46 PM
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Second Meridian satellite flies


Russia launched its second spacecraft from the Meridian series of military communications satellites. The Soyuz-2 rocket lifted off on May 22, 2009, at 01:53 Moscow Time (00:53:33 Moscow Decree Time) from Pad 4 at Site 43 in Plesetsk, carrying a second Meridian satellite. This launch was previously expected at the end of 2008 and in April 2009.

According to the official Russian sources, the launch vehicle successfully delivered the satellite into orbit at 04:13 Moscow Time. The spacecraft established contact with the ground and its systems worked well, the Russian space forces reported. However, western radar found the Meridian and its Fregat upper stage in the 275 by 36,473 and 191 by 36,377-kilometer orbits. Independent observers noticed that these parameters, especially perigee, were considerably lower than those of the original Meridian satellite, inserted into a 1,009 by 39,818-kilometer orbit. Also, the perigee of the spacecraft was within a range of altitudes, where the friction of the upper atmosphere could quickly degrade the satellite's orbit, unless maneuvers to raise it were taken urgently.



NORAD ID: 35008
Int'l Code: 2009-029A
Perigee: 293.0 km
Apogee: 36,475.9 km
Inclination: 62.8°
Period: 646.1 min

www.n2yo.com...


See also:
Kosmos 2451
Russia launches military satellite
Russia puts military satellite into orbit
Nga phóng vệ tinh quân sự tối tân lên quỹ đạo
Sojuz-laukaisu nähty ja kuvattu Lieksasta
Космический аппарат и разгонный блок отделились от "Союза-2"
Satellite militare russo in orbita
Russia launches multi-purpose satellite

More views of the launch # 1
More views of the launch # 2

gound view of the launch



A nice shot of the launch






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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Well done, ATS ... sensible alternatives arose, were tested, and became convincing to open, curious minds. Closed minds jumped to the 'true UFO' pseudo-explanation and got stuck there. Illuminating, all around.

Imagine how much worse it was in the old Soviet days when news of the rocket and missile activity was top secret -- when, in fact, the government preferred witnesses to be deflected from understanding what they were seeing, and imagine 'flying saucers' instead!

You don't have to imagine -- it was real -- I describe many features of that era, and the festering infection it has left in worldwide UFO studies, in reports such as these:

The Great Soviet UFO Coverup, By James E. Oberg
(First published in the MUFON UFO Journal, OCTOBER 1982)
www.debunker.com...
Russia has its UFOs, too - but with a difference. It has government coverups, too, and that is a central part of the difference. Cossacks in the Ukrainian countryside and sophisticated Muscovites on big city streets have stared in awe at UFO formations passing overhead. Russian astronomers at mountaintop observatories have gazed in wonder at half-mile-wide crescent UFOs which silently glide across the sky. Flying along the Volga River, a commercial airliner was buzzed and circled by a UFO; the plane's engines stalled and it glided downwards, until the UFO departed and the engines restarted. Thousands of people in western port cities have run in panic as a "jellyfish UFO" swept over the docks, sending down shafts of light which broke windows and paving stones. Over the Arctic Ocean, the crew of an llyushin airliner watched a blindingly bright UFO emit beams of light and drop cone-shaped projectiles.


Giant UFO Over Two Continents, by James Oberg
First published in FATE Magazine, January, 1983
www.debunker.com...
Aerial apparition sparks panic in the streets, fears of nuclear attack and reports of extraterrestrial landings
ONE of the most spectacular and widely witnessed UFO apparitions of recent years occurred on the evening of Saturday, June 14, 1980. In its first phase it was widely seen in central Russia; Soviet ufologist Feliks Zigel was subsequently able to prepare a report based on detailed interviews with 40 eyewitnesses. In its second phase the UFO appeared one hour later over South America (at about 7:00 P.M. Argentine time) where it was seen in five countries and photographed in the western sky near the moon; this event was widely reported in the United States and was featured in a two-page International UFO Reporter analysis a few months later, A third unconfirmed phase occurred near Morocco.

Soviet Saucers, By James Oberg
www.debunker.com...
(First published in OMNI Magazine, April 1994.)
Day after day, the waves of UFOs returned to southern Russia. Cossacks on horseback saw them high in the evening sky. Pilots aboard commercial airliners and military interceptors chased and dodged them. Astronomers at observatories in the Caucasus Mountains noted their crescent shape and their fiery companions.
It was the fall of 1967, and the Soviet Union was in the grip of its first major UFO flap. The extraordinary tales, described on Soviet television, reported in Soviet newspapers, and analyzed in a private nationwide UFO study group soon took on a life of their own.



Lecture program: "Soviet Saucers and Space Secrets"
In the opening years of the Space Age (the 1960s), the Soviet public was gripped by two big enthusiasms -- their country's pioneering feats in space exploration, and their country as host to visitations by space aliens aboard UFOs (only natural, since everybody knew that advanced societies anywhere would be communistic). This talk reveals for the first time how these two themes were secretly interwoven, as Soviet military missile and space activities accidentally sparked most of the most famous 'UFO flaps' in Russia -- and then how Moscow officials opportunistically adapted the 'UFO identity' as camouflage to divert and suppress public reports of strange lights in the sky (reports that could provide Western military intelligence services with key insights into features of the top-secret aerospace systems, some of them treaty-breaking, being witnessed in action by ordinary people all across the Soviet Union). Meanwhile, Western UFO experts enthusiastically embraced these faux-UFO reports as more evidence that "UFOs are real and Soviet cases prove it", with the delicious irony that while they railed against "government cover-ups" of UFO data in their own countries, they became unwitting dupes of a genuine Moscow military cover-up campaign (and many of them remain so long after the collapse of the Soviet Union). This talk presents decades of original research integrated into a narrative both fascinating and amusing, and after half a century of secrecy and deception, satisfyingly eye-opening.
In detail, the talk addresses the 'crescent-UFO' flap of 1967 (that revealed detailed maneuvers of the illegal space-to-ground nuclear weapons platform called FOBS), the 'jellyfish UFOs' that revealed the existence of the Plesetsk cosmodrome, the role that Russian space junk reentries had in sparking worldwide pilot reports, and the radar-visual and medical effects of the "Minsk UFO" of 1984 that traces (almost certainly) to a still-undocumented SLBM launch from the Barents Sea.
Sample slides:
www.jamesoberg.com...



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
..nothing more than making your mind up first then trying desperately to find evidence (and twist evidence) to fit one's belief.


I know a few debunkers who also do that.



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