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Torture, humiliation and good old American Fun

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posted on Apr, 30 2004 @ 09:42 PM
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This is what occurs when you leave the Army in charge of things. I wonder if the genius pointing at genitals had any forethought preceding her actions. Christ.




posted on Apr, 30 2004 @ 09:44 PM
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Originally posted by confoundit
This is what occurs when you leave the Army in charge of things.


Are you insinuating another branch should be in charge or a non military entity entirely? Care to explain?



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 01:55 AM
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Yes, I don't think we should put the military in situations where they have to arbitrate situations better left to specialists. The military should be used to fight battles, not guard prisoners.



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 04:02 AM
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I have a question. If this had happened with Sadaam being in charge, wouldn`t this be a war crimes tribal inquiry into this? Should this be under war crimes? I have no idea, but these are Iraqi prisoners that were taken by an invading force. Also, would the president and his In-Charge staff be directly responsible for this as well and can be tried? I am not trying to start something and so not really know the laws of engagement, but just anturally cane to this by the events that I have heard in the past about leaders that they want to try before the tribunal. Of course this is not a Crimes Aainst Humanity case, but this should still fall under war crimes and is directed at one race of people. Just a thought.



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by JCMinJapan
I have a question. If this had happened with Sadaam being in charge, wouldn`t this be a war crimes tribal inquiry into this? Should this be under war crimes? I have no idea, but these are Iraqi prisoners that were taken by an invading force. Also, would the president and his In-Charge staff be directly responsible for this as well and can be tried? I am not trying to start something and so not really know the laws of engagement, but just anturally cane to this by the events that I have heard in the past about leaders that they want to try before the tribunal. Of course this is not a Crimes Aainst Humanity case, but this should still fall under war crimes and is directed at one race of people. Just a thought.


I'm pretty much with you on this. I COULD NOT BELIEVE Bush was stupid enough to comment on the torture pictures yesterday in the same breathe as saying but we're making progress with Saddam gone, the torture rooms are gone, blah, blah, blah...

Hello, dumbass. You're in charge of the Iraqi torture rooms now. And you're in the process of charging and convicting Saddam FOR THE SAME ATROCITTIES men in YOUR command are doing!!!

Here's another idea. When NEGOTIATING WITH THE TERRORISTS for a cease fire in Fallujah doesn't work...hand it over to a Saddam era garbed General that was fighting you less than a year ago and let him lead a God Damned reuinion of Saddams Elite Guard (you know the torurters) into Fallaujah to kick butt for you.

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. You can't tell me for ONE SECOND that if a DEMOCRATIC President looked this weak and this bad right now, the Republicans wouldn't be calling for his head.

Steady Leadership right down the toilet.

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED indeed.

[Edited on 1-5-2004 by RANT]



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by Agent47

Well it would seem the insurgents of Fallujah did not realize that those 4 contractors were human either. Do I have to rehash the pictures and attrocities?


So are you comparing yourself to terrorists now?

America is supposed to, used to stand for somthing better, something the people of the world could look up to. But as we can see this ideal no longer exists neither in her military nor in a large portion of her popluation.

Yes, lets do what the terrorisis do, but then how are we any better than them?



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 10:22 AM
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I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US!!!



posted on May, 1 2004 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by scottsquared
I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US!!!


Please post more than this we encourage discussion at ATS.




posted on May, 1 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by Thanatos
So are you comparing yourself to terrorists now?

America is supposed to, used to stand for somthing better, something the people of the world could look up to. But as we can see this ideal no longer exists neither in her military nor in a large portion of her popluation.

Yes, lets do what the terrorisis do, but then how are we any better than them?


In no way did I try to paint our actions as just, my post simply stated that injustice and depravity is a two way street. I agree that we have been a country who treated prisoners with the utmost care, as opposed to what happened to our prisoners in Vietnam, Korea, Japan, Iran, and most recently Iraq. In no way do I think that the recent events in Fallujah should compromise that, I was simply reminding us that in war no one can be completely innocent. I disagree that the sentiment has been lost in either situation, the majority of soldiers in Iraq are upset by this treatment and find it wrong, and I can assure you that the majority of America is also disgusted by these minority actions.



posted on May, 3 2004 @ 05:51 AM
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Originally posted by IMMORTAL
The question to now ask, using critical thinking, what is the strategy behind this sudden display of horror in mainstream media? Well, those of us who believe that mainstream media in the U.S.A is controlled, or anywhere around the world, by "Intelligence Services", then maybe this is being used for some political end.
Well, I have found some corroboration to what I have been thinking about on this sudden display of horrible prisoner torture in mainstream media.

One of the most likely purposes for the "intelligence agencies" to release these horrible images is to taint the image of American Armed Forces and the war. It is all a plan by the unseen powers that be to help bring in the New World Order. Here is a little quote from an article:


Even the war crimes going down as we watch them unfold are engineered, designed, condoned and even ordered by the intelligence agencies...to damage the reputation of this great country of ours, to foment the Arab world for WWIII and drag to us through the mud internationally in order to bring us down and make us the bad guys, the Evil Empire--SO THAT--so that the "International Community", i.e. the UN World Government can step in as the savior and be the good guys to "save the day" and thenceforth America will become just another province of the global neo-feudal system just as Nazi Germany became absorbed in the new European Community, and now the vastly expanding EU Soviet.


If you see this in the eyes of the Globalists, then it makes perfect sense.

Critical thinking does pay off when it comes to the grand deception by the powers that be.

Link to Article



posted on May, 5 2004 @ 01:14 PM
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Good point. It's a very complex and tangled web they weave. I don't doubt it. Even the events that look like #ups are sometimes planned. It's very easy to pass something like that, since people have a tough time believing that someone would plan a bad publicity stunt. You have to be able to view the plots from the correct perspective, eh? Problem is, most people only have the ability to view the world from their own personal perspective. In that aspect, they're blind.



posted on May, 6 2004 @ 11:52 AM
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This is what happens to soldiers in war-time. They eventually find themselves totally de-humanizing their enemies and doing terrible things that they would never even THINK of doing in normal civilian life.

Remember the Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam? COUNTLESS other wartime atrocities by almost every country in the world (Canada had that ugliness in Somalia years back).

The fault lies with whoever got these soldiers into Iraq in the first place. Bush and Rummy and the whole cabal are to blame.

And they knew about this months ago.



posted on Jun, 5 2004 @ 07:42 AM
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I agree that soldiers shouldnt be prison guards and police men. They are not trained in investigation and the keeping of the peace, that's what the higher ups are supposed to do, theyre trained for action.

If bush was serious about all of this, with a coherent 'plan' he would have started an 'Iraqi police corps' a separate entity with cultural training for their environment and all the skills to investigate crime and keep order in such a difficult environment. Something like this would have gone a long way to making the transition from military victory to peace time victory more realistic and acceptable. But with no real plan and crime a real problem it seems that no new plans are forthcoming from the White House other than the status quo of course.



posted on Jun, 5 2004 @ 12:00 PM
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We should delegate this war to the U.S. Marine Corps entirely. They are the only ones who have done anything right. Oh yeah, they don't torture, rape, and humiliate Iraqis for fun.



posted on Jun, 5 2004 @ 02:01 PM
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personally, I think the CIA/NSA is more to blame than the army....sgt hulka and all.hehe.....really , dumb ass's were following orders....[ code red anyone]....I saw pat boone on O'reily the other night and he was right...

this should have never gotten out...they were investigsting the abuses...and it should have been kept quiet...


for the good of the country, the cause , and the troops who are doing a good job....not to mention the civilians over there trying to fix the place..


whoever leaked the photos' film to the press is imho a f'ing traitor


filter"...heeeeeeyyyyyyy maannnnnnn nicceeee sshotttttttt!



posted on Jun, 5 2004 @ 02:07 PM
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No way the public has a right to know what is going on. Do you honestly think that it would have been looked into one bit if none of the public knew. I know that my public has a right to know line sounds, and iscorny and untrue, but thats the way it really should be. And the CIA or Army or whoever it was should seriously smarten up. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that you are screwing up.



posted on Jun, 6 2004 @ 12:33 AM
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I'd like to know where all this outrage was when it was Saddam and his boys doing all the stuff they did. I know that what out troops did was wrong but how come people aren't outraged over:
The kidnapping and raping of hundreds of women, most of whom were young girls.
The beating to death of athletes that did not perform well in the Olympics.
The gassing of thousands of innocent civilians.
The removal of various body parts for failure to obey stupid rules.

It seems to me that we should focus on past evil deeds as well.



posted on Jun, 6 2004 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by simtek
I'd like to know where all this outrage was when it was Saddam and his boys doing all the stuff they did.
It seems to me that we should focus on past evil deeds as well.


Indeed Simtek, I as well was frustrated with the UN for its Apathy and actually the UN's apathy in most human rights dilemas, but that doesn't make what happen in those prisons any less significant.



posted on Jun, 6 2004 @ 12:55 AM
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I also believe that the soldiers were following instructions from higher up the food chain (CIA?). Most of these folks were your common Military Police types. I doubt that they know much about extracting information from prisoners and were probably following somebody elses lead. They should have known better though and questioned the methods that they used.



posted on Jun, 6 2004 @ 01:07 AM
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That is conjecture at this point, but I would not doubt it if the evidence arises.



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