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Freedom for Sinners

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posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 10:40 AM
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Interesting. Which Wiki are you referencing? If Wikipedia, the article has changed since the last time I read it.

No matter. The "VERNACULAR" and lingual abuse is a subject matter familiar to me; people abuse word meanings daily without realizing it, this doesn't make the "VERNACULAR" the official definition of the word.

The accurate definition deals with the Paraphilia as well as the sexual attraction to children prior to pubescence. There are various Paraphilia's related to age, I forget what the INFANT one is, but Hebephilia is prevalent in all cultures and walks of life. There is also a name for people who are attracted only to appropriately aged people of 20 or older... but that one I also forget at this time.

I, incidentally, use Paedophilia with its literal definition, because words have meanings even if the general populace want to make those meanings into something they are not for the sake of witch hunts.




posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by TheColdDragon
I could just as easily shift the sentence and say that it is perfectly Justified to want to murder your boss with a machete. Actually doing it is not.


thought crime your not, your a psychopath

you apparently lack a basic ability to distinguish right and wrong.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 12:39 PM
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and you seem to not be able to distinguish that right and wrong are just concepts that come from your family, culture, and religion

how can you tell that something is wrong or right when other people dont see it as such


i dont even see why yall cant see this, the thought of doing a thing is not a crime only the implement of these actions that infringe on anothers rights are

if you just look st statistics places like japan who have an open market for these types of mangas have less sexual assault cases because people who have these thoughts are forced to supress them when they live in a place like america then when all that builds up they lash out and thats when children get hurt

not when they think about it but when they cant think about it



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by dreaken1993
and you seem to not be able to distinguish that right and wrong are just concepts that come from your family, culture, and religion

how can you tell that something is wrong or right when other people dont see it as such


i dont even see why yall cant see this, the thought of doing a thing is not a crime only the implement of these actions that infringe on anothers rights are

if you just look st statistics places like japan



How can you tell what is right and wrong? How can you tell what is evil and what is good? You need only to ask.

Matthew 7:7-8 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 for every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

And one more thing. I don't live in Japan and I believe where I'm currently residing is far better, judging by how open to this stuff you say the Japanese are.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 07:16 PM
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i only need to ask. And you mean by that what. That i need to ask the good book written by people who lived many years after the stories within it. Or do you mean i should ask jesus who was based off of pagan religions and astrological sequences.

dude, wake up, if you cant realize that right and wrong are just concepts that are not held in the same light by everyone then you are illogical and just plane stubborn



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:01 PM
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Originally posted by dreaken1993
dude, wake up, if you cant realize that right and wrong are just concepts that are not held in the same light by everyone then you are illogical and just plane stubborn



It may seem like it is illogical for someone to take the position that I have taken, but you see this question has been answered a long time ago. It is an age old argument. You cannot justify the manufacturing of these images to relieve some poor souls urges because it will not work. It will only incite evil.

Ecclesiastes 12:14 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I just don't think someone can claim that they thought this type of stuff was not evil. That's a hard sell.

Isaiah 5:20 20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

It's kind of hard to claim ignorance on this matter.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:05 PM
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I do not recognize right or wrong as precepts that are fundamental upon the structure of reality. I recognize harm, however, as something that is not preferable in either an individual or sociological capacity.

Logic is Reason free from Passion, after all... and I am The Cold Dragon.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:17 PM
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You should take the plank from thine own eye before addressing the scrap in thine neighbors.

Let he with no sin cast the first stone.

Love thy enemy, and if he should strike thee upon thy cheek, I say unto you turn the other.

Judge not lest ye be judged alike.

There is no good or evil... there are just people, living their lives. Yes, some of those people indulge in vices and self destructive behaviors. It is not your place to stop them or judge them. As you do, you reveal yourself not as a Christian, but as a flawed human being; the same as all the rest of us.

Other faiths have a precept based upon harm, "Do what ye will, and it harm none."

Evil, from the bible, was what the people's of the times considered harmful and detrimental to a well established society. They considered it corrosive or unproductive, uncooperative or downright subversive...

They are likely right about everything, except the evil part. Human beings are designed to be subversive... well, those who are willing enough to be outcasts as individuals.

The heretic monkey's of the human clan, as it were... those who necessitate change in the world and the destruction of the old. Even so, there are entrenched interests in every culture to preserve the old and to stave off the changing socio-economic transformations that the human race has progressed through for thousands of years.

While my answers, my declarations in favor of Paedophiles and other deviant sexualities might seem to you as heartlessly malevolent, I am a very spiritual person who dwells deeply on my relationship with my Creator and Jesus Christ. We are all imperfect beings, subject to desires which we confuse as needs and prisoners of this world of ours and small mindedness.

Perhaps it is more important, friend, that you try and concern yourself with your own salvation. Leave the saving of souls to the people they belong to... because we all walk different lives on this earth, with different purposes in it.

Mine, subsequently, happens to be the pariah... the person that says the things that no-one wishes to hear and everyone wants to stone to death. I'll keep on defending the people society hates, because they aren't allowed to speak for themselves; none of you let them, none of you will hear it.

Not that you hear me any better, but sometimes the point isn't success; it's the effort.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 08:57 PM
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Originally posted by TheColdDragon
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Not that you hear me any better, but sometimes the point isn't success; it's the effort.



I would tell you the same thing. I am ever aware of the plank in my own eye. Really I am and thank you for responding. I am not trying to save anyone here or judging. Just adding my opinion.



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:01 PM
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One of the most evil character's ever portrayed in cinema made this statement.

"Good is a point of view"

Evil likes people to think that way, that way you can justify to your own twisted mind and conscience just about anything.

Anybody who thinks it's mentally healthy to fantasize about molesting young underage innocents, needs help. If that help doesn't work, a padded room would be next.





[edit on 5-6-2009 by Blue_Jay33]



posted on Jun, 4 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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you are so arrogant arent you, these concepts of right and wrong, are like we have both stated many times, just products of the life you live and the people who have an influence on you, there is no designated right just like theirs no designated wrong

How do you determine whether or not it is sane to have these thoughts



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 12:52 AM
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I will leave this thread now, because if I continue to post I will violate the T & C
of ATS. I have no tolerance for a mindset that leads to the abuse of minors.




posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by dreaken1993
you are so arrogant arent you, these concepts of right and wrong, are like we have both stated many times, just products of the life you live and the people who have an influence on you, there is no designated right just like theirs no designated wrong

How do you determine whether or not it is sane to have these thoughts


There are forces at work you see. Trying to make you manifest in the material world its own awful agenda. They will attack the thought process very subtly at first, then more and more.

The way I determine if my thought process was infiltrated is by weighing what I am reasoning about with the word of God. The Bible will address any issue that you can imagine. Try to memorize passages that seem to be speaking to your situation.

Remember this passage if you can.

Psalm 139:23-24 23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:
24 and see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

It works when you pray the above passage and really mean this. This kind of relieves you of having to determine what is right and what is wrong. When God is given control He will open your eyes and you will see things as He sees them and you will gladly agree with Him because you will see the end result of such things.

This is a very good one to remember as well.

Proverbs 16:2-3 2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.
3Commit thy works unto the LORD, and thy thoughts shall be established.

Now if you don't believe in God and the Bible, all this will not help you. You need to form a relationship with God in order for Him to intercede for you. I hope this helps.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 10:14 AM
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How you gonna have a thread about sin without me?? the sinners sinner
hahaha

But seriously, sin is a man made concept. I actually had this convo on the way to work yesterday, think some tribe in a remote jungle who has never had contact with man has concepts of guilt and sin?? I myself don't subcribe to your sunday morning "guilt fest". I sleep right through it. And please stop posting bible versus in a thread asking churchies to back off a bit, its counterproductive and disrespectful.

I don't believe in sin but I do know right and wrong, you dont have to be religious to know that. As far as child molestors, you cannot condemn someone for something they have not done, theres a big difference in being a comic book reader and being a Catholic priest



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by stereovoyaged
How you gonna have a thread about sin without me?? the sinners sinner
hahaha

But seriously, sin is a man made concept. I actually had this convo on the way to work yesterday, think some tribe in a remote jungle who has never had contact with man has concepts of guilt and sin?? I myself don't subcribe to your sunday morning "guilt fest". I sleep right through it. And please stop posting bible versus in a thread asking churchies to back off a bit, its counterproductive and disrespectful.

I don't believe in sin but I do know right and wrong, you dont have to be religious to know that. As far as child molestors, you cannot condemn someone for something they have not done, theres a big difference in being a comic book reader and being a Catholic priest



We are all the sinner of sinners unfortunately so jump right in. I am glad to see you thought enough to reply and offer your insight. That is all I am doing as well. I do not mean to be counterproductive and disrespectful that is not what I am trying to convey.

I am definitely not trying to send anyone on a guilt fest. I am as guilty of sin as the next person. I would like to know what tribe that is that you are speaking of though. The very thought of a lost tribe that has had no contact with man and knows not right from wrong or guilt and sin. That would be very interesting.

I am quoting the Bible because I think it is applicable to the subject. I mean read the opening post again. You will see what I mean. How much clearer can it be.

James 1:14 14 but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin; and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

I just see the material in question driving someone in the wrong direction.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 12:06 PM
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The very thought of a lost tribe that has had no contact with man and knows not right from wrong or guilt and sin. That would be very interesting.


I agree, when looking for it tho, I found this awesome quote



An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

"No," said the priest, "not if you did not know."

"Then why," asked the Inuit earnestly, "did you tell me?"



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by stereovoyaged

The very thought of a lost tribe that has had no contact with man and knows not right from wrong or guilt and sin. That would be very interesting.


I agree, when looking for it tho, I found this awesome quote



An Inuit hunter asked the local missionary priest: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"

"No," said the priest, "not if you did not know."

"Then why," asked the Inuit earnestly, "did you tell me?"





Then said the priest, "because you asked."



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 12:23 PM
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That wasnt' in the quote I found
hahahaha



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:13 PM
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hahahah

i think right and wrong can be talked about the same way i mean there all just concepts of our minds what some see as wrong is not wrong to another person half way across the world.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by dreaken1993
hahahah

i think right and wrong can be talked about the same way i mean there all just concepts of our minds what some see as wrong is not wrong to another person half way across the world.




This doesn't mean that we can conclude that there is no right or wrong. There must be a way of discerning if what they believe is right or wrong. How can you tell?

Matthew 7:16-18 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.


What's going on around people who practice questionable behaviors? What is resulting from their actions? That's the fruit they bear. You reap what you sow.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by jackflap]




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