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Aquatic Ape Theory

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:17 PM
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This is pretty interesting.

This theory says the apes-humans and dolphins had a common ancestor.

The similarities are pretty striking, here's some of the article:

The aquatic ape theory was first put forward by Alister Hardy, research scientist and Professor of Zoology, Oxford University, back in 1960.

Hardy suggested that many of the characteristics that make humans so very different than the apes can be accounted for if humankind passed through a semi-aquatic phase a very long time ago.

There are fewer studies comparing humans and cetaceans (dolphins and whales). These studies have been restricted to the similarities of the brain, especially the neocortex. In this regard the cetacean brain is nearly identical, and may even be superior to the human brain according to the latest research. But there are many more similarities as follows.

Research into the skeletal structure of Cetaceans shows vestiges of toes (fingers?) and dewclaws (thumbs?). These evolved into powerful flippers and tails, indicating that dolphins and whales once lived on the land. But that research is pretty common knowledge these days.

What are lesser known, and far more interesting characteristics, are those that point to some fascinating connections with humans. In the works of theorist Sir Alister Hardy, award-winning writer Elaine Morgan, and in the studies of Dr. Michel Odent - world famous surgeon and pioneer into human water births - dolphins, humans and apes are likely to have evolved from a common ancestor millions of years ago.

www.paulapeterson.com...

The article is pretty long and very interesting.

This might be why dolphins and humans get along so well.

Here's a case where Dolphins warned and protected humans from a shark attack.
www.cbc.ca...

You also have the theory that dolphins have individual names that they recognize.

DOLPHINS may be closer to humans than previously realised, with new research showing they communicate by whistling out their own “names”.

The evidence suggests dolphins share the human ability to recognise themselves and other members of the same species as individuals with separate identities. The research, on wild bottlenose dolphins, will lead to a reassessment of their intelligence and social complexity, raising moral questions over how they should be treated.

The research was carried out by Vincent Janik of the Sea Mammal Research Unit at St Andrews University, who has found bottlenose dolphins to be among the animal world’s quickest learners of new sounds.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Let's go even further with this.

What if this aquatic ape ancestor is an intelligent race of humans that lived underwater and we call their city Atlantis today.

Maybe this race still lives underwater and they are an advanced civilization who would be millions of years ahead of us in technology. I recently saw a UFO Hunters where they talked about UFO's that were spotted leaving the water and entering the water without making a splash.

This race could be connected to Cro-Magnons. Maybe Cro-Magnons evolved from this race and then mixed with their brutish and primitive cousins archaic homo sapiens or neanderthals.

Very interesting.

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:21 PM
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Speaking of the topic...I just finished reading a book about that...

Michael Baigent, in his book "Ancient traces : mysteries in ancient and early history", discusses this theory and provides some interesting proof to back it up.

Namely that whales, dolphins and a few other aquatic species share more anatomical similarities with humans than humans do with apes or other land creatures.

Interesting stuff



[edit on 28-5-2009 by warrenb]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:43 PM
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I actually read this in a Darwin Awards book. Interesting theory.

It will never be accepted though. People took a long time to accept that we came from apes. Adding dolphins to the equation (even though dolphin brains do work faster and at a higher level than ours) would be just as hard to accept. I do respect dolphin intelligence though. They are far from primitive creatures and the only ones on earth that can keep up with our minds. I've always considered them to be equals personally. In fact if we go extinct, I hope that dolphins inherit the earth.

Imagine what dolphins would have become if they had hands, thumbs and legs.

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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Molecular evidence and fossil record do not agree. We've share a closer ancestor with rabbits than with dolphins. Of course at some point apes and humans and dolphins had a common ancestor. It looked like a shrew and lived about 85 million years ago (our 2,5*10^7 great-grandparent). Every species on the planet has a common ancestor with every species on the planet. Dolphins' closest living land dwelling relatives are hippos, ours are chimps and bonobos, then gorillas, then oran gutans, then gibbons..

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 04:18 PM
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Originally posted by rhinoceros
Molecular evidence and fossil record do not agree. We've share a closer ancestor with rabbits than with dolphins. Of course at some point apes and humans and dolphins had a common ancestor. It looked like a shrew and lived about 85 million years ago (our 2,5*10^7 great-grandparent). Every species on the planet has a common ancestor with every species on the planet. Dolphins' closest living relative are hippos, ours are chimps and bonobos, then gorillas, then oran gutans, then gibbons..

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I would back you up 100% if the fossil record was complete.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by DaMod
I would back you up 100% if the fossil record was complete.


For whale evolution or man evolution? They're both very good. Molecular "record" is of course way better.

p.s. I corrected my previous post, it was missing "land dwelling". Dolphins closest relatives are of course whales. From land animals their closest are hippos.

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 05:07 PM
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Nope, these things are far from settled. We can't even settle on what occured with Cro-Magnon and Neanderthalis.

There's alot of holes in the fossil record and anyone who looks at these things honestly will tell you this.

People do have a desire to have everything explained and settled but that's not the case.

Here's some quotes:

"An aquatic Ape is a likely ancestor of humans in terms of primate behaviour, marine ecosystems and geophysical timing."
- Prof. Derek Ellis, Dept. of Biology, Uni. of Victoria, Canada

"All other theories about the origin of our species have reached an impasse."
- Dr. Michel Odent, author of 'Water and sexuality'

"An aquatic hypothesis offers far simpler explanations."
- Dr. Chris Knight, author of 'Blood Relations'

"It is difficult to see how all the points assembled to back the Aquatic Theory can be explained away."
- Dr. Desmond Morris, author of 'The Naked Ape'

"The aquatic hypothesis... cannot be eliminated yet."
- Prof. Glyn Isaac

"We believe that this proposal [AAT] should be taken seriously."
- Prof Michael Crawford, author of 'The Driving Force'

"[AAT] conforms to current theories of speciation better than the savannah origins model, and accounts for a number of diverse phenomena hitherto not seen as connected."
- Prof. Graham Richards, author of 'Human Evolution'

www.primitivism.com...

Evolution is not a settled issue and what some do is say evolution has to fit this narrative and any other theories or hypothesis is wrong if they don't fit a pre-conceived notion.

There's alot of traits that we don't find in the line of primates we are supposed to be descended from.

I think this actually shows 2 huminoid species. One who directly evolved from or were created by the Aquatic ape(Cro-Magnon) and their more primitive and brutish cousin (Archaic homo sapien).

What we find out is that Cro-Magnon is anatomically different from Neanderthalis but they are in line with modern humans.

The researchers wrote in the newly published paper: "The Paglicci 23 individual carried a mtDNA sequence that is still common in Europe, and which radically differs from those of the almost contemporary Neandertals, demonstrating a genealogical continuity across 28,000 years, from Cro-Magnoid to modern Europeans."

The results demonstrate for the first time that the anatomical differences between Neandertals and Cro-Magnoids were associated with clear genetic differences. The Neandertal people, who lived in Europe for nearly 300,000 years, are not the ancestors of modern Europeans.

www.sciencedaily.com...

This suggest that Cro-Magnon mixed with archaic homo-sapiens and drove neanderthals to extinction.

This theory might not be 100% correct but evertime a theory comes along someome acts like evolution is settled when they don't know.



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