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reply to post by Night Watchman


Definition of propaganda - Information especially of a biased or misleading nature,used to promote a political cause or point of view.

North Korea appears to be preparing to test an advanced missile designed to reach the United States

That part in the US article I would define as misleading.

As the US PTB are saying of taking action,that sentence would also
come under the promoting a political cause.That cause is what they have said.

The point of view part of the definition?

The planting of the seeds so to speak was done with the saying of NK being a threat and having Blah blah blah.
I have no doubt that it will be said again and again,just like terrorists terrorism.And others before WMDs,threat.

Watch and see it,the newspaper and net articles along with tv news cranking it up.Getting the people to the same POV who then support TPTB course of
action.Which they will say they are doing for the good.


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The South Korean government has informed Japan's Coast Guard that North Korea has set up a "no navigation zone" in the Yellow Sea for June 13-June 14 between 8 a.m. and 7 p.m. (2300 GMT-1000 GMT), Japan Coast Guard spokesman Masahiro Ichijo said, without giving reasons for the warning.

news.yahoo.com...

Sorry if been posted already. At work and no time to check thread.

South Korea deploys missile ship.

The move follows reports that the North has stepped up military drills in the area after threatening a military strike on the South and is preparing to test-fire a long-range missile.

Tensions simmers

Also Two reports about the naming of Kim Jong Ils son to be next leader of NK.

BBC News site

UK News Yahoo.com

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below article is an analysis of North Korea in 2003. In the year 2009, North Korea definitely have progress and must be feeling darn confident about their ability.

North Korean Military Tactics: Total War

Originally posted by gallifreyan medic

Definition of propaganda - Information especially of a biased or misleading nature,used to promote a political cause or point of view.

North Korea appears to be preparing to test an advanced missile designed to reach the United States

That part in the US article I would define as misleading.



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There is nothing misleading in the US article. You are jumping to conclusions that are simply not supported by any evidence. The US article specifically mentions the US because it is intended for a US reader. That is how reporters craft their stories.

What is misleading about this? If NK is testing a long range missile, what do you think the intended target of such a missile might be (in the event of a conflict)? Cuba? Canada?

Sorry friend, you are reaching here and are looking for any supporting evidence to support your world view.

In this case, you failed.

NKorea prepares missiles; South beefs up defenses

By ERIC TALMADGE – 6 minutes ago

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea prepared to test-fire missiles at launch pads on both of its coasts, reports and experts said Tuesday, as South Korea beefed up its naval defenses.
North Korea may soon launch three or four mid-range missiles, believed to be modified versions of its Rodong series, from its east coast, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reported

Fearing skirmishes off its coast, South Korea, whose troops are already on high alert, sent a high-speed ship equipped with guided missiles to its western waters, where the North was reportedly staging amphibious assault training.

The ship is ready to "frustrate North Korea's naval provocation intentions and destroy the enemy at the scene in case of provocations," the navy said in a statement. South Korea is also sending coast guard ships to escort fishing boats near the western sea island of Yeonpyeong.

Link

Certainly inteterseting, i reckon something will happen in the next week, what it leads to is debatable.


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reply to post by Night Watchman


Its even in being done here in the UK.
Look at this part of the article below.Click link at the bottom for the full article.

North Korea's ailing leader Kim Jong-Il -- believed to be gearing up for another barrage of missile tests -- has named his youngest son as the eventual heir to the family dynasty, reports said on Tuesday.

Definition of barrage - A concentrated artillery bombardment over a wide area.

Are you really sure its not being done?

NK Article

The US article states missile designed to reach the US.Its BS as there is no evidence that NK has missiles that are yet capable of that range.

In this reuters article it is saying of a mid range launch.

NK reportedly readying a mid range missile test.



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Originally posted by gallifreyan medic

The US article states missile designed to reach the US.Its BS as there is no evidence that NK has missiles that are yet capable of that range.

In this reuters article it is saying of a mid range launch.


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There has been much speculation that NK has a missile that can reach Hawaii:

www.bloomberg.com...

North Korea, which is preparing to launch what it calls a “peaceful” satellite, may have developed a missile with the range to reach Hawaii, said Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff. “In some cases, yes, they could probably get down to Hawaii,” Mullen said on CNN’s Situation Room program yesterday, when asked if North Korea has the ability to strike Hawaii or Alaska. The West Coast of the U.S. mainland is still out of the nation’s range, he said.

Now, that said, there is no indication that NK can equip a missile of this type with a nuclear payload but it is not out of the realm of possibility that they have the ability to reach HI with a missile.

My theory, is NK, is not going to be testing their ICBM's any longer, when they stage them for launch they are going to be hot.

Just a theory, but does not make sense to test missile after missile all in the while you are being told not too. I have a feeling they have what they need, gonna set their ICBM's up and when threatened launch them.. Or at least try to make it look as if that is what they will do..

Still allot of things unknown here, so we can be off a bit or on a bit, but I am guessing I am a lil warm with the theory. SoKo, response is all part of the positioning as well, its like a chess match folks they are moving their pieces around to gain the biggest advantage IF or when skirmishes are to occur..



Still waiting to hear from the UN, and see what kind of punishment we can apply to NoKo, and I would also like to see how they respond to this. That response can also be associated with these ICBM's. I would think NoKo would be conserving their materials since sanctions could be implemented even more severe in the coming weeks or days, so thinking they are going to fire more ICBM's or land to see missiles for the practicalities of testing is a far greater assumption then having hot ICBM's ready to shoot at whatever they wish too..



either way this is all still guesswork..

Originally posted by Adrifter
My theory, is NK, is not going to be testing their ICBM's any longer, when they stage them for launch they are going to be hot.

I don't see how that makes any sense. First of all, there is no indication that they know how to mount a nuclear warhead on a missile and secondly, the minute they announce an intention to fire a "hot," missile, they will be inviting an attack to take the facility out.

Anything is possible though, I will grant you that because, unlike NK's past flare ups, this one seems more provocative and I frankly don't have a handle on their end game.

Originally posted by gallifreyan medic
reply to post by Night Watchman

 

Its even in being done here in the UK.
Look at this part of the article below.Click link at the bottom for the full article.

North Korea's ailing leader Kim Jong-Il -- believed to be gearing up for another barrage of missile tests -- has named his youngest son as the eventual heir to the family dynasty, reports said on Tuesday.

Definition of barrage - A concentrated artillery bombardment over a wide area.

Are you really sure its not being done?

NK Article

The US article states missile designed to reach the US.Its BS as there is no evidence that NK has missiles that are yet capable of that range.

In this reuters article it is saying of a mid range launch.

NK reportedly readying a mid range missile test.



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It is widely agreed that the NK's have a missile that can reach US territories, they tested a long range missile a while back, the name is something something 2 and can hit Hawaii I believe.

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Originally posted by Adrifter
My theory, is NK, is not going to be testing their ICBM's any longer, when they stage them for launch they are going to be hot.

Just a theory, but does not make sense to test missile after missile all in the while you are being told not too. I have a feeling they have what they need, gonna set their ICBM's up and when threatened launch them.. Or at least try to make it look as if that is what they will do..

The thing is, North Korea so far only has liquid-fueled long range missiles. You can't fuel those things up and just sit on them indefinitely like you can with solid-fueled missiles. Once a liquid fuel missile is fueled up and ready to go, you have to launch it pretty soon or it'll be no good. Unless the North Koreans have a super-top-secret underground fueling/ launching facility, their long range missiles aren't much of a deterrent. I would be much more afraid of them delivering a small nuclear payload unconventionally- IE- sneaking it across the border into S. Korea or elsewhere and then detonating it on the ground.

And we are watching. If N Korea tries to launch another long-range missile, we will simply intercept it, just like we did the last one.

reply to post by gallifreyan medic


I was nearly one of the people you referred to, as I jumped in with a post about your anti-American bias before reading more of the thread and more of your posts and realising I was wrong. I quickly deleted my post.

However, your amoeba comment was a bit disrespectful. Maybe you should delete that part of your post. People are entitled to have an opinion, after all.

Well, it could be a bluff guys.. Just guessing, its all strategic movement right now. Remember we do not know their weapon capability, just cuzz the press says they dont have it does not mean they do have it.. Yet to even it out, I dunno, just makes sense to stage icbm's on each side of the peninsula, to threaten attack.. I would find it odd if they continue their missile tests under the watchful eye they have acquired...

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reply to post by Night Watchman


Ok I'll go along with it and say they do have missiles that are capable of that range.But !!!

The whole world knows of the known technology that the US has and
what its capabilities are.
For example the defence system known as the missile shield.
Put into action it would have a big problem having to deal with a mass launch
from the bigger boys.
But one,two or even the most missiles that NK could launch would not be a problem.

So for what other reasons other than what I believe its being done for, have the headlines and reports been written in the nature they have been?

reply to post by habfan1968


If NK can only reach Hawaii and not main land US,there's no need for all the crap we are reading.Why say something that can induce fear and the calling for something to be done?

Ok I'll go along with it and say they do have missiles that are capable of that range.But !!!

The whole world knows of the known technology that the US has and
what its capabilities are.
For example the defence system known as the missile shield.
Put into action it would have a big problem having to deal with a mass launch
from the bigger boys.
But one,two or even the most missiles that NK could launch would not be a problem.

So for what other reasons other than what I believe its being done for, have the headlines and reports been written in the nature they have been?

Also I would have thought with what is going on and by what some agree could happen,it should have if not already there quite a few naval ships with missile take out capability.

If there has been no vessel movement to that area,then that would confirm that the government itself knows NK doesnt have missiles of that range.
More scary an angle is they do know and would let it happen so that they can take the action they have wanted to take for a few years now.

News Updates!

US to sell 'bunker-buster' bombs to SKorea: official

SEOUL (AFP) – The United States has agreed to sell "bunker-buster" bombs to South Korea that are capable of destroying underground facilities in North Korea, a military official said Tuesday.

Washington recently approved the sale of GBU-28 bombs, which were used during the 1990-91 Gulf War to destroy underground command centres in Iraq, a defence ministry official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

news.yahoo.com...

US Gen. Reiterates Defensive Readiness vs. NK Attack

The deputy commander of U.S. forces in South Korea said yesterday that the U.S. Air Force stationed in the South is fully ready to suppress and defeat North Korean aggression. Lt. Gen. Jeffrey Remington said this in an exclusive interview with The Dong-A Ilbo at his office in Osan Air Base in Pyeongtaek, Gyeonggi Province. “The Korea-U.S. Combined Air Force is so strong that it can tackle any threat, not to mention aggression by the North Korean air force,” he said.

english.donga.com...

A Changing Chinese Tune on North Korea?

This leads Zhu to a pretty significant, and I'd argue newsworthy, conclusion about China's role in all this. China, he said, had always believed that North Korea's nuclear program was negotiable. That Pyongyang might be willing to give up its nukes as long as its economic and security interests could be met. Now, Zhu writes, all the evidence "points in the opposite direction. In fact, the recent nuclear test by the DPRK is not just a slap in the face of China, but a sobering wake-up call for the Chinese leadership to face up to the malignant nature of their North Korean counterparts."

newsweek.washingtonpost.com...

North Korea's Kim moves to anoint son as heir

SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korean leader Kim Jong-il has signalled the anointment of his youngest son as heir to the ruling family dynasty, South Korean media said on Tuesday as the rival Koreas built up their forces along a disputed sea border.

af.reuters.com...

Experts fear N. Korea, Iran alliance
www.saudigazette.com.sa...

EDIT - BREAKING NEWS!

China and Russia question new NKorea sanctions

UNITED NATIONS (AP) - North Korea's allies China and Russia raised questions Tuesday about some possible new sanctions against North Korea for its recent nuclear test, delaying Security Council action sought by key Western powers, U.N. diplomats said. But, getting a resolution out quickly is less important than getting one that has teeth, they said.

www.pr-inside.com...

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reply to post by akkad


Its gone past the still being able to edit,can't even if I wanted to.
Thank you for continuing to read to get to know that I am not anti american.
My view towards your government is the same I have towards mine.

On topic.I really hope this just fizzles out.But I have a feeling there is an
agenda for trying to get it to happen.

To get done what has been along time wanting to be done, for economic reasons or even both?

N.Korea 'Preparing to Fire Mid-Range Missiles'

North Korea has begun preparations to fire three or four medium-range missiles, the South Korean military reported to the National Assembly's National Defense Committee on Tuesday. Defense Committee members quoted military officers as saying this when they visited the command post of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. They said the North is preparing to fire medium-range missiles near Anbyon-gun, Gangwon Province. The South has detected several vehicle mobile launchers carrying missiles in the area and assumes that the North will fire more than three missiles.

Officers do not rule out that North Korea will launch an intercontinental ballistic missile from a launch pad in Dongchang-ri, North Pyongan Province on the west coast at the same time.

english.chosun.com...

- No wonder if tensions are getting hot - several missiles ready to shoot out at same moment can mean... - Attack?

- This game needs nerves - lets hope there is no triggerhappy personel in either sides, escalation would be stormy.

US to use drones to spy on North Korea states Lieutenant General Jeffery Remington.
I would say this is just provoking them.

Drones to spy on NK

Remington noted that the communist North has the world's fourth largest military force and deploys a large force of special troops and artillery near the border.

Fourth largest?


If that is the case then its no wonder a land offensive won't be on the cards.

But how do we really know that they do?
It could have the biggest or the smallest,well ok not smallest.But how would we know when its been a closed country. Im not going to say it.
Some one slap me with a wet fish if I do again anytime
over the next week or two.

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