Abu Ghraib abuse photos 'show rape', page 3
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reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:01 PM by 27jd
reply to post by MikeboydUS



Couldn't agree more. TPTB have mastered the ability to keep people wrapped up in their own BS, and manufactured hot button issues. It really is disheartening what has become of our country, and SO frustrating when you try and figure out a scenario in which things will turn out okay...there just isn't one that I can think of....



reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:01 PM by MacDonagh
reply to post by 27jd



You can't defend it, but the impact that those photos would make if they were leaked would be so devastating, it would not only jeopardise the Obama administration, but Americans would have to wake up to the fact that these abuses were done in their name. If you think about it, those photos could set off a chain reaction that could lead to an insurrection against the U.S. government and the status quo.

Fools rush in.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:02 PM by pieman
what happened is that those women who were arrested with young boys, children in cases that have been recorded. The boys were sodomized with the cameras rolling.
salon, from page 2 of this thread

all this crap about who's to blame, who's to blame, who's to blame.
this punishment, that punishment, fix this, fix that.

the photo's and videos have been floating about the halls of power for five years now and nothing has happened, a few sacrificial lambs thrown on an alter and nothing else, these things happened five years ago, they've been covered up for five years and they're still being hidden from you, this is the truth, this is the smoking gun, do you need someone to stamp it on your foreheads before you see it.

the PTB don't give a damn if you rape children in front of their mothers, they don't care if you torture, maim and kill innocent civilians, they'll protect you just so long as it suits them to do so.

their morals are dictated by the next promotion or election, other than that, they don't care.

the rabbit hole goes right to the top, one after another, the president won't release the photo's, won't name the perpitrators, won't put them on public trial, won't publicly question their superiors.

the line needs to be drawn, this has to be enough because if this isn't enough, then what is, when will it ever be enough? when it's your wife watching your child be violated? because if you stand for this, that's coming, it really is.


EDIT: for quote

[edit on 28/5/09 by pieman]


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:04 PM by jd140
reply to post by 27jd



I'm not upset against speaking out against child rape. I get upset about accusations without proof. The whole innocent until proven guilty thing is something that I am proud that we Americans are able to enjoy.

I know you didn't asked, that is why I offered. The offer is still on the table.


If you feel like you are my boss then come fire me. It doesn't have to be on Fort Riley. Junction City and Manhatten border the base. You can fire me in one of those towns.

I don't assume you are scared. Why would you be, you are safely behind your keyboard. I have given you my location if you are adament about what you say then you will back it up. Come on down and give me my pink slip.

If you decline then please stop with the I'm your boss, your the enemy, keyboard commando tactics. It is very silly.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:18 PM by 27jd
reply to post by jd140



You too, are safely behind a keyboard. You should stop trying to talk tough on the internet, you look like an immature fool. Not really sure what you're getting at with your tough talk, are you challenging me to a fist fight? Are you going to shoot me? What? Obviously, I personally as one citizen, don't have the authority to fire you, nor am I going to leave my family and travel to get in a fight with some poor brainwashed fool who doesn't understand the oath he took. You obviously have some insecurities and need to prove your toughness, which is probably why you joined the military to begin with. Have fun with that, tough guy.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:20 PM by MikeboydUS
reply to post by MacDonagh



I fear it would not lead to a popular revolt.

I fear that partisan politics would come into play.

It would turn into a Democrats Vs. Republican media circus and Bush would be ultimately blamed. There would be trials and it would make the circus around OJ and Monica Lewinksy look like small town carnivals.

Those who are ultimately responsible would escape prosecution and justice would not be served even to those convicted.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:33 PM by jd140
Originally posted by 27jd
reply to
post by jd140



You too, are safely behind a keyboard. You should stop trying to talk tough on the internet, you look like an immature fool. Not really sure what you're getting at with your tough talk, are you challenging me to a fist fight? Are you going to shoot me? What? Obviously, I personally as one citizen, don't have the authority to fire you, nor am I going to leave my family and travel to get in a fight with some poor brainwashed fool who doesn't understand the oath he took. You obviously have some insecurities and need to prove your toughness, which is probably why you joined the military to begin with. Have fun with that, tough guy.


I haven't said one thing that sounded remotely tough. I'm not going to fight you or shoot you. I wanted to see if you had the stones to confront what you precieve to be the problem. As you see me as part of the problem I gave you the oppurtunity, but fear held you back. I'm sure its held you down most of your life. You took an offer of use of my truck as me trying to make you move. You have been on the attack ever since. I simply gave you an outlet to make good on your words.

I knew you wasn't going to come down here. The reason I told you where I lived is because I figured you to be a talker, not a doer.

I was right.

You assume that I am brainwashed and I don't understand my oath all because I want proof of an accusation. I don't take an article that states something as proof of anything. If it happened then they need to be punished and I will be the first to condemn what they did, if it didn't happen then people like you should shut your mouths.

I want proof first.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:49 PM by 27jd
reply to post by jd140



Ah, okay...fear is holding me back. I wonder what led you to that assumption...guess it's just that you're so tough, all other humans should have a natural fear of you. While that's probably the case, it's actually common sense, a little maturity, and being too strapped for cash (thanks to your masters) to even go on a family vacation this year, much less a personal trip to confront "the problem". Anyway, all your toughness and scariness aside, I agree about proof, but there is already ample proof of what occured at Abu Ghraib, so your call for proof has already been answered. If you want to see pictures of little boys being raped, well...


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 12:58 PM by jd140
reply to post by 27jd



Don't recall acting tough at all. I have not attacked you in anyway. I gave you the oppurtunity to act on your words. I expect people to back what they say.

If you can show me where I have posted a tough guy post then please show me. If you want I can point you to a few of your own.

I don't personally want to see these pictures, but if they exist then the soldiers in them need to be put on trial and the pictures shown to the jury. There is proof of torture at Abu Grabi. Pictures showing such has put away people that called themselves soldiers. It happened and we saw the proof. I have not seen any proof of this allegation. So I reserve my judgement.


reply posted on 28-5-2009 @ 01:03 PM by jd140
reply to post by ModernAcademia




Yes I'm not intelligent, I guess when someone doesn't agree with you that would meant they aren't as smart as you hmm.

Listing someone as Foe( as you did me a few minutes ago) means that person is a worthy advesary. It is a compliment, not an insult.
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