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Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Communism, in reality, has only ever been a threat to big business.
And the west is dominated by big business, which makes you think about the fact that the leader of the free world, technically, isnt even free, as he works for the corporations.
I'm sorry I'm old enough to remember communist tanks running over women in Czechoslovakia, and Romania on the news. Dont let modern ant-American Views cload the real history behind communism.
It was a very real threat. Just ask older East Germans. Or anybody who got caught behind the Iron Curtain.
Originally posted by dotcom
(please note that i am not saying that the USSR were the 'good guys', im merely trying to show how propaganda is used to influence peoples perceptions)
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by dotcom
Communism, in reality, has only ever been a threat to big business.
I'm personally acquainted with some Russian, Vietnamese, Montagnard, Laotioan, and Polish Cold War refugees that would beg to differ.
Sorry, I'm not acquainted with any Chinese or Cuban refugees personally, but I'm willing to bet they'd agree with the rest.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
(please note that i am not saying that the USSR were the 'good guys', im merely trying to show how propaganda is used to influence peoples perceptions)
Well if that's the case then all history books are suspect. We all know the vast majority of history is written by the victors. So where do you draw the line?
Reporting the facts is propaganda?
Edit to add.
Weren't you the one spouting how America was responsible for the most deaths?
Blah Blah Blah
Isn't that also propaganda?
[edit on 2-7-2009 by SLAYER69]
Originally posted by dotcom
No one will ever know what is truth and what is a lie. (when it comes to media)
Which is why you shoudnt take what is presented to you as 'fact' being the complete truth, as you dont know whether it is used to influence your perception.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
No one will ever know what is truth and what is a lie. (when it comes to media)
Which is why you shoudnt take what is presented to you as 'fact' being the complete truth, as you dont know whether it is used to influence your perception.
I'll think for myself.
I've been a student of history for a while now. I always consider both sides of an argument. I would consider taking some of your own advise.
Originally posted by dotcom
Those 'evil' communists complete disregard for human life!
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Those 'evil' communists complete disregard for human life!
See that's your problem You "ASSUME" too much.
When did I say they were "evil"
Originally posted by dotcom
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Those 'evil' communists complete disregard for human life!
See that's your problem You "ASSUME" too much.
When did I say they were "evil"
Im sure there were some people, which after viewing that footage on the news would think about what wonderful people the communists were
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Those 'evil' communists complete disregard for human life!
See that's your problem You "ASSUME" too much.
When did I say they were "evil"
Im sure there were some people, which after viewing that footage on the news would think about what wonderful people the communists were
You didnt bother to answer my questions.
Originally posted by dotcom
I didnt see any question marks.
Originally posted by dotcom
If anyone is a world threat it is the U.S, which has caused more wars and more deaths throughout the world than any other country.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Yeah reading back through the thread I realized that you haven't answered any of my questions just replied with more Anti-American rhetoric.
Originally posted by dotcom
cold war - United States provided foreign military aid and direct involvement in proxy wars against the Soviet Union
Korean war - The Korean War was a conflict between the United States and its United Nations allies and the communist powers of the Soviet Union
36,516 dead americans
vietnam war (aka American war) 58,209 dead americans
including 3 to 4 million Vietnamese from both sides, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians.
Gulf war - conflict between Iraq and a coalition force of 34 nations led by the United States 299 dead americans
Afghanistan - invasion of Afghanistan 677 dead americans
8,028 dead civilians due to u.s. military actions
Iraq - invasion of Iraq 4,300 dead americans
total casualties of the iraq war (military + civilians) 1,033,000
Originally posted by dotcom
From recollection it was close to a million, But don’t worry the U.S. beat them in Iraq with their 1.033 million death toll.
Originally posted by dotcom
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Very good I was hoping you would post these.
Let me ask you a question?
Who was financing, funding and supplying arms to the other side of these conflicts? So lets collectively add up those numbers as well. Oh yeah how many did the Russians kill in Afghanistan when they were there? How many did they loose?
Everybody likes to bring up Vietnam. Who was supporting the North oh yeah
China and Russia.
Dont they have blood on their hands as well?
Supporting the North Koreans? China?
Who invaded first?
[edit on 2-7-2009 by SLAYER69]
Its very amusing how Americans believe they are the good guys in every situation. spreading world peace or 'saving' the world from 'evil' regimes.
How about we look at the bigger picture.
Where do people usually get their financing from? Banks.
The largest banks in the world?
Citigroup
Barclays
HSBC
JP Morgan
AIG
Who in turn own stock in the majority of banks throughout the world.
but hold on... arent these all western banks?
so when you think about it, where are all these 'evil' countries getting all the money to finance their evil wars and regimes?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by dotcom
cold war - United States provided foreign military aid and direct involvement in proxy wars against the Soviet Union
Unlike the Soviet Union, who had noting whatsoever to do with arming up proxies, or providing direct involvement.
Korean war - The Korean War was a conflict between the United States and its United Nations allies and the communist powers of the Soviet Union
36,516 dead americans
Since the US "caused" this war (which IS, not WAS - it was never "undeclared"), those deaths would be, by definition, suicides, would they not?
Bite your tongue! Leave the UN out of this! they're a HUMANITARIAN organization, aren't they?
Besides, these are supposed to be US "caused" wars.
vietnam war (aka American war) 58,209 dead americans
including 3 to 4 million Vietnamese from both sides, 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians.
Yeah, happiness is a big body count, eh? The US killed ALL those people? You mean no one else was fighting? That's a LOT of Cambodians for the US to have killed on that Ho Chi Minh trail. Why were they there? Heading towards Vietnam to get away from the fighting?
Gulf war - conflict between Iraq and a coalition force of 34 nations led by the United States 299 dead americans
Is that all? Pretty light for a "War", isn't it? How'd the Iraqis escape THAT? Yeah, we should have left Saddam alone then, and let him take those pesky Kuwaitis, who are ALWAYS pestering their neighbors and trying to take them over.
Afghanistan - invasion of Afghanistan 677 dead americans
8,028 dead civilians due to u.s. military actions
What, no figures due to Taliban actions? Are they even really there?
Iraq - invasion of Iraq 4,300 dead americans
total casualties of the iraq war (military + civilians) 1,033,000
The Iraqi figures look pretty inflated to me. Got a source on those? Is there anyone left to run the oil fields?
I'd ask just how the US "caused" these conflicts, but that would lead back to asking your definition of "cause".
Originally posted by dotcom
Ok, so you think that all these small nations planned to start a war, hoping they can defeat the greatest empire the world has ever known?
Which has the most money and greatest military on the planet?
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by dotcom
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Very good I was hoping you would post these.
Let me ask you a question?
Who was financing, funding and supplying arms to the other side of these conflicts? So lets collectively add up those numbers as well. Oh yeah how many did the Russians kill in Afghanistan when they were there? How many did they loose?
Everybody likes to bring up Vietnam. Who was supporting the North oh yeah
China and Russia.
Dont they have blood on their hands as well?
Supporting the North Koreans? China?
Who invaded first?
[edit on 2-7-2009 by SLAYER69]
Its very amusing how Americans believe they are the good guys in every situation. spreading world peace or 'saving' the world from 'evil' regimes.
How about we look at the bigger picture.
Where do people usually get their financing from? Banks.
The largest banks in the world?
Citigroup
Barclays
HSBC
JP Morgan
AIG
Who in turn own stock in the majority of banks throughout the world.
but hold on... arent these all western banks?
so when you think about it, where are all these 'evil' countries getting all the money to finance their evil wars and regimes?
I dunno... export of their assets? Maybe you think the banks just GIVE them money?
If so, where can I sign up for that plan?
Originally posted by dotcom
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by dotcom
Communism, in reality, has only ever been a threat to big business.
And the west is dominated by big business, which makes you think about the fact that the leader of the free world, technically, isnt even free, as he works for the corporations.
I'm sorry I'm old enough to remember communist tanks running over women in Czechoslovakia, and Romania on the news. Dont let modern ant-American Views cload the real history behind communism.
It was a very real threat. Just ask older East Germans. Or anybody who got caught behind the Iron Curtain.
Perfect example of western propaganda.
what do you think was the purpose of a news report like that?
'Look at these communists. Complete disregard for human life, they are truly evil' etc etc
(please note that i am not saying that the USSR were the 'good guys', im merely trying to show how propaganda is used to influence peoples perceptions)
Also the media during that time presented very bias viewpoints.