posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:34 AM
Originally posted by andre18
Cosmic evolution- the origin of time, space and matter from Big Bang concluded that there was NOTHING then there was SOMETHING.
That’s not how it works......
It is understood that because we don’t know what happened before the big bang we can’t really say what caused it. You can claim it’s god all you
want but that doesn’t change the fact unless you give some scientific evidence as to what god is and the mechanism of how god created the big bang
then you’ve got nothing but magic.
Now scientists aren’t saying the universe came out of nothing – which really would be magic. They are saying we don’t know what came before the
big bang but from what we can gather, from what the evidence we have at the moment can tell us, is that there was a beginning 13.5 billion years ago.
What caused that beginning is still anyone’s guess but because we don’t know what caused that beginning doesn’t and shouldn’t meant god did it
because you still have to demonstrate how god did it and what god is.
When you imply logic such as something came from nothing is illogical then you must apply that exact same reasoning to god. If you assume everything
had a beginning then where did god come from? You fail to use the same reasoning you apply to atheists to your own belief....
And that really is the major downfall of all Christians and religious people alike who deem it necessary to criticize evolution because it goes
against their holy book and yet are unable to use the same critical thinking on their own belief in god.
Please apply “NOTHING then there was SOMETHING” to god as you have in your second paragraph and you will achieve an intellectual breakthrough in
[edit on 28-5-2009 by andre18]
I respect your rebuttal. But consider the following (which I linked too in my first post)
Everything which has a beginning
has a cause.
The universe has a beginning.
Therefore the universe has a cause.
It’s important to stress the words in bold type. The universe requires a cause because it had a beginning . God, unlike the universe, had no
beginning, so doesn’t need a cause. In addition, Einstein’s general relativity, which has much experimental support, shows that time is linked to
matter and space. So time itself would have begun along with matter and space. Since God, by definition, is the creator of the whole universe, he is
the creator of time. Therefore He is not limited by the time dimension He created, so has no beginning in time—God is ‘the high and lofty One that
inhabiteth eternity’ (Is. 57:15). Therefore He doesn’t have a cause.
In contrast, there is good evidence that the universe had a beginning. This can be shown from the Laws of Thermodynamics, the most fundamental laws of
the physical sciences.
1st Law: The total amount of mass-energy in the universe is constant.
2nd Law: The amount of energy available for work is running out, or entropy is increasing to a maximum.
If the total amount of mass-energy is limited, and the amount of usable energy is decreasing, then the universe cannot have existed forever, otherwise
it would already have exhausted all usable energy—the ‘heat death’ of the universe. For example, all radioactive atoms would have decayed, every
part of the universe would be the same temperature, and no further work would be possible. So the obvious corollary is that the universe began a
finite time ago with a lot of usable energy, and is now running down.