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Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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Not hated- your entitled to your opinion, too.
But I do believe you are wrong about the following:


But, your all missing the point that they said it was becasue of the size of the flag, not the flag itself.


If you read the article carefully, the size of the flag was an issue that was mentioned later- almost as a way to cover their behinds from the backlash they were receiving. Even the lady who was asked to take the flag down said that was never mentioned as a reason and she was only told to do away with it because people were complaining it was offensive- not that it was too large.

From the article:


When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive...

...But she says when she was first told the flag had to go, nobody mentioned anything about its size being the root of the problem.

"At no point was I afforded the opportunity -- [no one said,] 'Hey Deb, could you get a one and a half by three and a half and hang it instead of hanging this three by five?'" McLucas said.


Also, I believe the 'like it or leave it' comments are stemming from the fact the original complaints originated from someone who immigrated to the U.S. 14 years ago. So on that note, I can understand the confusion and frustration of someone migrating to a country for the benefits but being offended by the flag. It makes no sense.




posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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Still yet none of these people have answer my question of


So let me ask you guys this. Is there a limit to where flags should be placed or a tasteful size of a flag which shouldn't be gone beyond?


Also hate to tell you this but the flag was probably made in China



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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I cannot believe this! I am not the most patriotic person in the US, but I do fly a flag on Memorial Day and the 4th of July. I cannot understand how this could even happen. So are they going to complain if the shamrock is too big on St. Patrick's day, or the size of the heart on Valentines day?

Shocking really shocking



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by ninecrimes

The point that you are failing to address is that this lady flew a 3FOOT x 5FOOT flag in a SHARED OFFICE. This is not a cubicle, it is an office that other people have to share with her, and she chose to fly the biggest flag she could fit in the room, in directly line-of-sight of several other people.

It's not the flag that is being disrespected, it is the people she FORCED her "patriotism" (patriotism is an OPINION of your country, so in essense she FORCED her OPINION onto the people around her) unto.

Wake up people- she wasn't flying a small flag, it was gigantic. It wasn't patriotic, it was disrespectful to those around her.


Weak sauce. She wasn't forcing her patriotism on anyone, give me a damn break. As the mods have already pointed out, the size of the flag was mentioned "after the fact", a butt-covering move if there ever was one.

We are talking about the flag of the United States, not a porn picture, not a family picture, not even a religious picture. It's the flag of OUR NATION. The liberals have stamped out a lot of freedoms of expression but dammit this is one freedom they CANNOT take away - the right to proudly display the flag of our nation.

If you have a problem with someone displaying the U.S. flag then YOU have a problem, not the person flying the flag.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by blind.face
People have taken rights so out of context..

Someone mentioned it being a private company.. they can do what they want. WRONG.

The Bill of Rights cannot be taken from us.

No one in the office had a right infringed upon by this woman hanging a flag in there. I would fight this hard.

[edit on 5/28/2009 by blind.face]


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


Can you show me where in the Bill of Rights that it shows this woman had the right to fly a flag - or anything else - in her office within the private business?

Before you jump me - I believe she should be albe to - but it being a private business, you are walking a fine line on what one can and can not do.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:47 AM
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Originally posted by sos37

Originally posted by ninecrimes

The point that you are failing to address is that this lady flew a 3FOOT x 5FOOT flag in a SHARED OFFICE. This is not a cubicle, it is an office that other people have to share with her, and she chose to fly the biggest flag she could fit in the room, in directly line-of-sight of several other people.

It's not the flag that is being disrespected, it is the people she FORCED her "patriotism" (patriotism is an OPINION of your country, so in essense she FORCED her OPINION onto the people around her) unto.

Wake up people- she wasn't flying a small flag, it was gigantic. It wasn't patriotic, it was disrespectful to those around her.


Weak sauce. She wasn't forcing her patriotism on anyone, give me a damn break. As the mods have already pointed out, the size of the flag was mentioned "after the fact", a butt-covering move if there ever was one.

We are talking about the flag of the United States, not a porn picture, not a family picture, not even a religious picture. It's the flag of OUR NATION. The liberals have stamped out a lot of freedoms of expression but dammit this is one freedom they CANNOT take away - the right to proudly display the flag of our nation.

If you have a problem with someone displaying the U.S. flag then YOU have a problem, not the person flying the flag.


That is pure ignorance. You obviously have no idea what the American flag even means, if you say it is not a symbol of religion, family or sentimentality.

As for the size, does it NEED to be stated? You still have not acknowledged the fact that it was a shared office.

I work in a shared office, and I just asked both co-workers, as well as my boss, and they all agree with me that a flag of that size would be a problem.

I love the flag, I truly do. But I think this lady is simply a troublemaker, a 5 foot flag is HUGE and she does NOT have the right to hand that where she pleases on PRIVATE PROPERTY.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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All this outrage and energy being displayed on this matter, imagine if gay rights, people starving, pollution, war ie. things that ACTUALLY matter could draw this kind of response, oh what a world it would be.

HONEST, not just saying, HONESTLY, this is the most outrage I have seen on this site since joining. Over someone being asked to removed a flag the size of a quilt from an office.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:57 AM
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Well, no. I personally would not be offended. I think that our own rights as American citizens often times stab us in the back as a double-sided sword.

"I'm a natural-born American, so the Bill of Rights is MINE".

But then you have people coming to America and becoming official citizens, with the pure hopes of obtaining those rights, which would also put them in the right to fly their own native flag.

I have no flag in my home, but that doesn't mean I'm not patriotic. I think a way of life proves more than a symbol or a piece of cloth. And I guess that I agree, she didn't need to hang a 3" x 5" flag in the hospital. (I was being a bit sarcastic when I said, "The bigger the better.") Maybe she was just trying to show everyone else' patriotism FOR them?

Haha. Who knows.

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:01 AM
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This is getting that much rage because these people know they don't have to do anything about it and doesn't require any real thinking about the circumstances surrounding the event. It's just bland "FLAG HATERS!" or whatever. Except people aren't actually thinking about circumstances surrounding the event, just that it's an attack on the flag... which is stupid. No one is saying they have a problem with the flag, the people who have an issue with this story have an issue because of the circumstances surrounding it. Probably because they've all had jobs in offices where they understand the semantics of this while the people who are complaining don't. But I'm still all for the FLAG HATER CONFERENCE and rounding up flag haters, as long as there's punch and pie and we get to nap afterwards.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by CuriousSkeptic]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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I don't care if it's a private business. We need the name of the [snip] that found it offensive and got it taken down!

This is where we fail America. We need to expose these people who [snip] on us from the shadows ALL THE TIME.

We need to expose them and shun them and then maybe they will think twice before they [snip] on us again in the future.

We need the name, phone number, address, everything - we don't even know if that person was an American!

How dare these pigs attack us from the shadows - enough is enough!



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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:17 AM
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BRAVO!

BOOOOO TO THAT UNPATRIOTIC PERSON WHO TOLD HER TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG!

No American flag SHOULD EVER BE TAKEN DOWN!

Be proud of your country! Who cares what the rules are - a flag in the air STAYS in the air!

America the Great is that way for a reason... cos its citizens are loyal and loving.

Maybe you have different views (really?) but there is no way you could convince me not to love every ounce of inspiration the Star-Spangled Banner gives me every morning.

P.S. Although some PEOPLE in my life give me crap - they are horrible. I wish I could say every American rocks - but that is so not true. Again, citizen quality and loyalty, man. Not all... just some. Phooey. Ok, rambling.


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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by SaraThustra
I don't care if it's a private business. We need the name of the [snip] that found it offensive and got it taken down!

This is where we fail America. We need to expose these people who [snip] on us from the shadows ALL THE TIME.

We need to expose them and shun them and then maybe they will think twice before they [snip] on us again in the future.

We need the name, phone number, address, everything - we don't even know if that person was an American!

How dare these pigs attack us from the shadows - enough is enough!


Wow...don't you think thats a bit excessive?? Exactly you DONT know if it was someone American! It could have been Betty Apple Pie, PMS'ing and didn't want a Goddamn bed sheet tacked up on the wall.

Yeah, lets get her personal info so some Goddamn nutjob, EXERCISING HIS RIGHT TO HAVE A GUN, shows up on her door step and lays out some of their own justice for Old Glory.


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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:24 AM
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Be proud of your country! Who cares what the rules are - a flag in the air STAYS in the air!


The person who runs the business cares for the rules, without rules you have anarcy, if you don't care for the rules, whats next???


I am all for you guys hanging your flags, but there are manners and tact to be considered!! This is a professional workplace, not a monster truck rally


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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:33 AM
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Why do Americans feel the need to fly the flag quite so much ?

I can't think of another country, off the top of my head, where people drape themselves in their national flags to the same extent as in the USA. Why the need to persistently prove how patriotic or loyal you are ? To me that smacks of total insecurity about who you are and what your nation represents.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by New Lanark Boy
Why do Americans feel the need to fly the flag quite so much ?

I can't think of another country, off the top of my head, where people drape themselves in their national flags to the same extent as in the USA. Why the need to persistently prove how patriotic or loyal you are ? To me that smacks of total insecurity about who you are and what your nation represents.


We Canadians are as patriotic as can be, we will put a maple leaf on anything!! lol Watch some youtube vids of Canadian crowds singing O' Canada at hockey games, will give you goose bumps, BUT like they say, theres a difference in scratching your ass and tearing it to pieces.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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You can't think of another country, because there isn't another country. Your ability to write your post exists as a result of the blood spilled by AMERICANS!



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by SaraThustra
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You can't think of another country, because there isn't another country. Your ability to write your post exists as a result of the blood spilled by AMERICANS!


How disrespectul!! There have been a lot more than Americans that have given their lives for their country!! That is the attitude the world hates. The "I am an American, so I am better than you." Funny, I could swear I have seen war memorials in other countries, hmm?? must have just been to honor American soldiers. FFS!!

How arrogant, how brash, how......ugh...I am holding back comments because then I am not better than you! But you just pretty much slapped the face of any country where men and women have died to protect their countries and freedom and all the things you hold so sacred, disgusting!



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.

We are becoming the UK.

This is the kind of crap they take for granted, try hanging a Union flag in a British office and see what the reaction is (hint - they'll call you a racist).



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I sometimes wonder if stories like this aren't designed as some sort of classic PTB misdirection to distract us from the real issues.

Then I take a deep breath and realize it doesn't even need to be a designed ploy. We do it to ourselves.

Meanwhile, The Greatest Swindle Ever Sold goes on almost ignored in comparison.

Why is that? Because it's easier to get up in arms over a flag issue than it is to try to make any sense out of the real mess that's been going on? Or maybe because a flag situation is apparently easily resolvable. Enough people create a firestorm with some little corporate office somewhere and they do some damage control to minimize the PR debacle.

Meanwhile, we're having our arses handed to us while we're watching the inconsequential. We're overly concerned (maybe) with the symbolic while real issues are laying us low.

I don't know. I'm just pondering.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 11:00 AM
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I can't think of another country, off the top of my head, where people drape themselves in their national flags to the same extent as in the USA


...and your point would be what? We are supposed to be like everyone else? No, and it's not insecurity, it's something, that at least to me, can't be quantified. But just for fun, I'll try...

The flag of the United States represents what, in the worst of times, we are. A multitude united in common cause. Yeah, we'll argue amongst our selves on a plethora of issues, bloodily so in some cases; yet an outsider, as many have found out, had best not take that for weakness, nor insecurity.

We are what we are. As a nation, we're brash, we're more than occaisionally rude, we can be startlingly ignorant, yet in many industries we lead the world. To go along with the rudeness is a souldeep compassion that has aided people throughout the world.

Compared to some, we are a very young nation. Yet in our short history we've made an impact that can not be denied, for good, and most unfortunately, for bad as well. Americans are mongrels, we draw on cultures from every corner of the globe, name a country, and you'll find an American or twenty who claim ancestors from there.

There's never been a country quite like ours before. Don't judge by standards that don't apply.



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