North Korea to be attacked; U.S. Nuclear first strike "likely" - Trustable info?

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:50 PM
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Well said. That is something that is seriously lacking from current generations-leadership. I, for one, am ready to embrace it. Whose with me?




posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Hi sweatmonicaIdo,

Sorry if I was missundertood; i asked if the source was trustable; I particulary dont like any tipe of discrimination; I live in a coutry with all races and people from all over the world.

I almost dont post on ATS and allways try to make a serach before post.

I read this man was involved acused to be some FBI informant and he already was right in some of their info.

He told about an "source" and this make me; a guy from the other side of the world stay worried about it. I just asked about the trustble source he had to make some huge afirmation.

cautiouslypessimistic answer the question in the early pages..




I would not take Hal Turner seriously, that is for sure. He is a known white-supremicist. He promotes the "rounding-up and killing of jews". Here's a quote of his from 2006:
"We may have to ASSASSINATE some of the people you elect on Nov. 7! This could be your LAST ELECTION CHANCE, to save this Republic... Sorry to have to be so blunt, but the


I this guy usually do things like this his site and his program would be taken off...

Sorry about my english

CZBR51



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by finemanm

Originally posted by MischeviousElf
To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

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However the differance here is that unlike when the Bankers and early Zionists paid Marx to go a write a little book starting Communiism or Socialism proper, whilst also funding the Eugenics, and Capitilistic empires.... they choose and did that with a Plan.

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The Bilderbergers, Banking Cartels, Corporations, Skull & Bones, Hawks or Zionists will have it on their own terms according to their plans, even they cant really control this nutter, there is no Resources or strategic interests there for them either.
[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]
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You racist, anti-semite. What the hell does Zionism have to do with North Korea? What does Zionism have to do with Karl Marx? Karl Marx died in 1883, and the communist manifesto was published in 1848. The term "Zionism" - which means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland, wasn't coined until 1890.

Get your head out of you a$$, not everything in the world has to do with Jews.


EXCUSE me?

I will firstly when experiencing this sort of response quote from another thread here:



Originally posted by MischeviousElf
I hate Nazism more than you I dare say, and I am pretty sure when younger when I actively went round removing Combat 18 stickers etc, and hassling their members with Flapjacks, flowers and a different way and real information, I have done a lot more to fight against it than even a very active Zionist.

I have several times in my life been physically attacked because of the broad cultural mix of my friends.

Been surrounded when 14 and stamped on spat at and kicked called a
"Paki Lover".

Later beaten up for dating an half caste girl when defender racist abuse against her...

YOU ?

WHEN HAS IT HAPPENED TO YOU?

ATS

So YOU know answer when has it happened to you?

Rascist lol, my god since those incidents ive worked at a loss in fair Trade once or twice on a sideline to try and help people from a differant continent, religeon and age group.... what absolute trash.



The term "Zionism" - which means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland, wasn't coined until 1890.


Coined yes....

My God Karl Marx entire family tree consisted nearly entirely of Rabbi's

Or did you not know that?

It is known he was paid a huge Amount by the Banking Cartels at the time through the British Diplomats and Secret/Intelligense services to go and write Das Capital.... it is a fact sorry if it offends you.

The banking Cartels at the time where predominately of Jewish Dissent.

The Early Zionists and Leading Jewish families and banking Families, and Other Madmen of all Races and Creeds who want to control and use Humanity, British Families and people, German, American etc etc all of these Madmen have engineered wars and financial collapses....

This was my point on this topic, this situation does not suit them, there will be no "planned" war in the korean penninsula, like there was in Iraq, do you see me saying Bush or Cheney were jewish? Nope but just as mad as the actions of some Jewish Families at the times I mentioned.

Dont muddy the waters assuming and propogating a Carte Blanche statement from me on the Jewish situations of the past, taken out of context in the post and the topic, to throw your insults which are based on non factual or non honest acceptance of recorded history.

You take your head out of your Arse, and infact whilst your at it stop trying to stick it up mine. Speak the truth and get called an Anti Semite or rascist is becoming a bigger and bigger meme in the world. I wont shrink away from it.

PS go to my Media part of ATS and look at for example "A cat relaxing in paradise" do you recognise the color? look familiar? Anti Semite me doing fair trade there ? idiot.

A TRUTHER is not an anti semite or rascist, again when has it happened to you?

Your Post Trash lie and downright wrong.

I reiterate again the controlling groups of the world who have engineered war and financial collapse which include Jewry, Americans, British, Arabiand etc etc will not have a world war in the korean penninsula because they do not control it..... it is not part of their plan, and they are control freaks.

Elf.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:05 PM
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IMHO the first thing that has to happen is the Recall of Reps and Senators.
This process if coordinated among the states that "allow" recall would send a strong message to the PTB



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:09 PM
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I haven't seen it in the news either... and I'm in Florida. Personally, I can entirely see us using a strike just like that to end this immediately, especially considering there has been a plan in place to do just this for quite some time. I really only think this would happen if Korea shows signs of being willing to use nuclear war, and they're probably putting the U.S. on edge right now.

I also have heard that North Korea has a rather well-built bio-weapons project, can anyone confirm that? I would think if it's true it's a rather good reason to make sure that if we do attack NK, we leave no one to push the little green button.

I hope it's not true, but I think it's crazy not to believe we'd do it. Also, as nuts as Turner is, I've heard he has had reliable sources in the past. Just because he's an extremist it doesn't make him a liar. I also haven't researched him though, so don't castrate me for saying it pls xD.

Plans have been in the works:

www.globalresearch.ca...

www.washingtonpost.com...



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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reply to post by CZBR51
 


additional proof this is a possibility... heres another news organization

CLICK ME



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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For the record, I'd also like to point out to everyone in this thread that is saying things such as: "The U.S. would NEVER use nukes without permission" etc, that all those bunker busters in fghanistan and Iraq....yeah, those are nuclear tipped weapons.

For the record.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by Hemoglobin
reply to post by CZBR51
 


additional proof this is a possibility... heres another news organization

CLICK ME

The info is definitely out there-this IS on the table.

However, many people wont look at it.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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I reiterate again the controlling groups of the world who have engineered war and financial collapse which include Jewry, Americans, British, Arabiand etc etc will not have a world war in the korean penninsula because they do not control it..... it is not part of their plan, and they are control freaks.


I agree with you on this point. The PTB in the western hemisphere push for the NWO while the PTB in the east have another agenda.
I know enough that I will not be apart of either. NOPE can't make me do it.
I"ll be sucking water from cactus long after they forget about me.

This isn't a racial matter it is a crap shoot for control of the world ..NWO / Illuminati or the eastern ancients.

Neither one will create a place for people that just want to create life and live within the envelope of creation.

So i say in the USA we have a constitution still. Use it and get your representatives recalled...same for the senate...why ..because they put your unborne grandchildren in debt to a foreign country



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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I call BS. The new administration will do nothing but yield to the UN and spend months coming up with useless sanction proposals. Most of Asia and the M.E. will be going nuclear in the next 10-20 years. Our children will be in a world with nuclear weapons in the hands of regional dicatators. Little Kim in N.K. thumbed his nose at the so called Hawk that was President Bush. He will do what he wants now that Obama has the reigns of the country. With the economy being destroyed and consumed by the federal government there is just too much to distract the MSM from the threat that N.K. is now posing. I've been to Korea before. They even shot down an Army Kiowa helicopter that was close to the border and we did nothing. This was while Clinton was president.

With the armistice being ripped up, the country has no idea that we are at war again with N.K. The only way we are dragged into a war with N.K. would be an all out attack on S.K., attacking Japan or our Navy vessels.

The moron Biden may have been right when he proclaimed that the new administration would be tested and we might not like the response. Hillary Clinton was also right when she questioned Obama's ability to handle the situation that may come at 3AM.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:25 PM
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No one is going to attack as ive pointed out,

Ties pens and smiles, scowls diplo hot air,



Gary Samore, President Barack Obama's coordinator for weapons of mass destruction policy, said on 01 May 2009 during an event at The Brookings Institution [ Obama Aide Expects North Korea Nuclear Test By AP / DESMOND BUTLER Saturday, May. 02, 2009], that he expected North Korea will carry out another nuclear test. Asked if he expected Pyongyang to carry out another nuclear test, Samore said: "I think they will. That's what they are threatening to do." Siegfried S. Hecker warned on 12 May 2009 that North Korea could " ... separate approximately 8 kilograms of bomb-grade plutonium by October 2009 and produce at most another 6 kilograms of plutonium per year for the next two to four years with its existing stocks of fresh fuel."


So they expected this and nothing has happened before it, whats the big deal, its a old madman keeping his power and making a bigger legacy



John Bolton, former Bush Administration UN Ambassador, said on 20 May 2009 in the Wall Street Journal "Despite Kim Jong Il’s explicit threats of another nuclear test, U.S. Special Envoy Stephen Bosworth said last week that the Obama administration is “relatively relaxed” and that “there is not a sense of crisis.


Relaxed deep down, because whats Kim going to do?

Use it ?

Where?

The south and get wiped out himself his loved ones to...

He cant get it anywhere else without being seen first, and taken down as he probaly only has one or two...



Col.-Gen. Leonid Ivashov, a former military cooperation chief at the Russian General Staff, and now president of the Russian Academy of Geopolitical Problems, said North Korea's test posed no danger either to Russia or to any other country in the region. "North Korea's nuclear test is an attempt by the country to balance the nuclear potential deployed on the Korean peninsula. The North Korean authorities have repeatedly called for removing [suspected U.S.] warheads and offering security guarantees against aggression," Ivashov said

Gloabal Security

These are trustable sources NOT the Op one, a madman himself, this is just one madman playing another one, both jockying for power and wealth for the next generation, and using fear to get their own way.

Kim is just in Legacy creation mode and assuring that his son keeps the Mad gene's in control.

Kind Regards,

Elf



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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This guy has been sniffing glue.

If the US wanted to nuke some country , I don't think that NK would be on the top of the list.

Think about it. They have nothing that we want other than starving people.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
This guy has been sniffing glue.

If the US wanted to nuke some country , I don't think that NK would be on the top of the list.

Think about it. They have nothing that we want other than starving people.

Sorry, but that's a bit naive. You don't think the symbolism of destroying a nuclear government is worth something to this country? You don't think that showing that you wont put up with any other country not buying into your line of thinking is worth something?

It's not all in the tangibles, friend.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:38 PM
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Think about it ..the USA is at WAR with Unnamed and all Terrorists. A madman that has nukes and just said f-off to the armistice that many thousands of American soldiers died to obtain. You think really that the US can shrug it off?
Oh look they killed kenney.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:41 PM
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I wouldnt worry too much about news like this. SOunds of tabloid quality if you ask me. The new US administration is a lot of things, but itching to nuke NK isnt one of them.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by princeofpeace
I wouldnt worry too much about news like this. SOunds of tabloid quality if you ask me. The new US administration is a lot of things, but itching to nuke NK isnt one of them.

Unfortunately, it is present in 3-4 other media outlets, which have a bit more credibility than ol' Hal.

It's not just fodder for ratings. Not saying it's going to happen, but this IS on the table, make no mistake.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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I really dont think a nuke is required. I"m sure we have resources that can aim a laser in situ.

thats all that it takes. Therein lies the weakness of his government. Kill the head and the body will die.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:50 PM
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Listen, I don't care what anyone on this forum says, the United States will NOT attack North Korea with nuclear weapons in a first strike. The US has sufficient conventional weapons to neutralize North Korea's military capability. This is not to underestimate North Korea's capabilities. Their capabilities are bound by quantity, not quality, and North Korea does not have quality. Yes, their weapons can cause thousands of casualties, but nuclear weapons, even small ones, is not needed in a first strike.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:53 PM
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I'm not buying it period.

NK wants something from the US and is resorting to a temper tantrum to get it.

China will not allow NK to do anything too foolish.

I think that the US will have the UN make some motions and give the appearance of doing something but in reality, nothings going to happen unless NK does something really provocative like sale a ship with a nuke on it into SK's harbor.

Then NK will be glass.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by MasterRegal
Listen, I don't care what anyone on this forum says, the United States will NOT attack North Korea with nuclear weapons in a first strike. The US has sufficient conventional weapons to neutralize North Korea's military capability. This is not to underestimate North Korea's capabilities. Their capabilities are bound by quantity, not quality, and North Korea does not have quality. Yes, their weapons can cause thousands of casualties, but nuclear weapons, even small ones, is not needed in a first strike.

As I pointed out earlier, we used nuclear weapons in preemptive strikes against Iraq and Afghanistan, so what makes you think we wouldnt in a nation that has ACTUAL MILITARY TECH AD CAPABILITY?

I'm not saying its going to happen. I am saying it is by no means out of the question though.





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