North Korea to be attacked; U.S. Nuclear first strike "likely" - Trustable info?, page 3


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reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 02:59 PM by MischeviousElf
I am a open critic of the madness that reigns in Washington at times.

However This is absolute trash.

China, Russia and Japan would all have to give consent, secondly There are a huge number of Troops and Civilians in South Korea, as its the most militarised zone in the world (before and after any Iraq situation)

These troops and civilians are US.

Even the crazies in the US Military would not want a third of a million US troops and support personnel and families to be shipped back a few months later with iodine, and a mushroom in cancers etc. Also the North Koreans have a HUGE stockpile of Chemical and Biological weapons they would reign down on those huge number of US people, and unless the Nuclear Strike was soo large it went to the border, and blinded every man woman and child within the entire Korean Penninsula.

Those washington Crazies know they could not stop such said WMD being used on there own People in retaliation.

The REAL official stance of the US to this, just media and public perception management, they cant attack an all out war would ensue, China would not allow it as millions would pour over the border fleeing, and they certainly dont want the US to have total military control of the penninsula, it gives china a "ACE" in the region, and makes them look less like the bad boy of the neighborhood.


In "America's North Korea Policy: Adding Lanes to the Road," Klingner argued even before this latest provocation that it was time for the United States to rethink its North Korea policy. "Despite public perceptions of a major U.S. policy shift toward North Korea, President Obama is continuing the Bush engagement strategy. The Six-Party Talks should not be the only venue for U.S.-North Korean engagement," Klingner concludes, "[a] more comprehensive strategy would offer Pyongyang a path to greater economic and diplomatic benefits while continuing to insist on compliance, conditionality, reciprocity, and verification." Among the proposals he makes in an extensive analysis of recent US diplomatic efforts is that: (1) [I]t has never been a question of whether to engage North Korea, but of how to do so. It is critical to understand that engagement is a means rather than an end, and it is equally important to control how engagement is applied. For the time being, the U.S. should continue diplomatic attempts to reduce the North Korean nuclear threat. The likelihood for success, though, is not high; (2) [w]hile the U.S. should continue to strive for a diplomatic solution to the North Korean nuclear threat, employing a combination of all instruments of national power, the Obama Administration should also accept that there simply may be no set of inducements to ensure North Korean abandonment of its nuclear weapons; (3) [t]he U.S. should establish non-flexible deadlines so that Pyongyang cannot continue to drag out negotiations. In addition, it would be prudent for Washington to initiate contingency plans with South Korea and Japan should the Six-Party Talks no longer seem to be a viable policy option

Global Security Sitrep.

So the above is the official stance, I dare say there are contingency plans, as there are for plans made for the US to Nuke its Own people in extreme situations, those planners at the pentagon have planned some very interestiing and extreme things, but to do it officially no way imho.

Maybe a Conventional Strike.... again doubt it very much China will say no, and a war much bigger than Iraq would ensue as they attacked south Korea.

America lost here once before who thinks it would be any different now?

IGNORE this story guys, dont be afraid.... of his Nukes or the US in this regard or situation alone, neither can use them openly and survive as they are.

Of course there is the slim possibility of a real event occuring when Kim dies and if transition is not smotth if a Military commander had total control and was of the same mind as Hitler, Stalin or Bush... but we face that possibilty every day.

The world is not really any more dangerous because of this than it was 2 weeks ago.... Bluffs, political moves, appeasment, media perception within and without the regime....

Too much to loose on both sides to "See" the other player now.

Kind Regards,

Elf

To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:01 PM by kenton1234
reply to post by kissmygrits"The only news site to partially trust is Fox."


Fox!!! Puleeeze!!! The only newsite I trust at all is ATS. I've had more first hand accounts right here on this website than anyother. Then maybe after a couple of days it will make its way to CNN, FOX, MSNBC. But as far as America doing a first strike nuke attack on N. Korea. Never gonna happen folks. Not nukes anyway. Never Never gonna happen. Even if N. Korea launches a first strike conventional attack we will never never never use nukes on N. Korea.



reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:01 PM by Adrifter
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic



I respect your opinion, yet not your poise. I do not think it is accurate, and a little flamboyant.


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:03 PM by awakentired
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic



AMEN and ArrrughAAA cautious!! I am responsible for this horse# government. I admit it and I can point at you as being the ass that let it happen too...any of you. Now what can we do about it?

Start a movement and be found at the bottom of an automobile accident with 3 semis?

Don't get me wrong I'm USMC qualified expert rifleman 5x ...but I cant stop that semi


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:05 PM by born2BWild
reply to post by MischeviousElf



Yes but look at the current situation in the U.S. could it not be they need to continually perpetuate the image of being the 'World Police' and top dog to take away from the failing economy and other aspects of the country? America has a very big ego it likes to stroke and with the right pawns in place and cards on the table isn't anything possible?


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:08 PM by Adrifter
reply to post by awakentired



no, their was no tyranny in what I wrote. I did read it I wrote it.. Come on, settle down. Talk about trying to spin an opinion.. America is the not the enemy. For cripes sakes come on.. The op is unrealistic with source. Its also flamboyant.. That is what my post consisted the disagreement is all, and also how I saw a lack of intellect in the speculative unatuned assertions he possessed..



[edit on 27-5-2009 by Adrifter]


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:15 PM by MischeviousElf
To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

reply to post by born2BWild



Oh entirely so, and I agree many in washington and certain others organisations are hoping, planning and engineering a world conflict of sorts now,

As they did in WW1 and WW2 with 9/11 etc, and as they have every other time they have finished Raping a generation or three of its labour, minds and souls, and all the money has been consolidated again, start again, wipe out those who remember or create a History they want.

However the differance here is that unlike when the Bankers and early Zionists paid Marx to go a write a little book starting Communiism or Socialism proper, whilst also funding the Eugenics, and Capitilistic empires.... they choose and did that with a Plan.

no one besides a lone hermit of an Madman, no better or worse than the Cufflink and Smile Madmen who have engineered history as above, decided this course, so it is not in their interest.

The Bilderbergers, Banking Cartels, Corporations, Skull & Bones, Hawks or Zionists will have it on their own terms according to their plans, even they cant really control this nutter, there is no Resources or strategic interests there for them either.

So broadly I agree with you, yes this will unfortunately happen again soon, but not Here in Korea but at a time and place of their choosing.

Maybe Somewhere like Georgia, Iran Kazkhstan, Pakistan etc.. not Korea.

Kind Regards,

Elf

[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:16 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by Adrifter
reply to
post by cautiouslypessimistic



I respect your opinion, yet not your poise. I do not think it is accurate, and a little flamboyant.

Please, ellaborate. Tell me how my point of views differ from those of Thomas Paine, Thomas JEfferson, George Washington....you know, the guys who made it their ULTIMATE GOAL to get the power in the hands of the people, not the government..


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:19 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by awakentired
reply to
post by cautiouslypessimistic



AMEN and ArrrughAAA cautious!! I am responsible for this horse# government. I admit it and I can point at you as being the ass that let it happen too...any of you. Now what can we do about it?

Start a movement and be found at the bottom of an automobile accident with 3 semis?

Don't get me wrong I'm USMC qualified expert rifleman 5x ...but I cant stop that semi



We are all at fault.
It's funny though. Everytiime the topic turns to public responsibility, there is inevitably a reason(read: excuse) as to why we can't take control of that responsibility.

Couldn't be that these excuses are the exact reason why we have been put in the position we are in, could it?



reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:28 PM by finemanm
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
To add a Haiku poem on the situation
Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

reply to post by born2BWild



However the differance here is that unlike when the Bankers and early Zionists paid Marx to go a write a little book starting Communiism or Socialism proper, whilst also funding the Eugenics, and Capitilistic empires.... they choose and did that with a Plan.

***

The Bilderbergers, Banking Cartels, Corporations, Skull & Bones, Hawks or Zionists will have it on their own terms according to their plans, even they cant really control this nutter, there is no Resources or strategic interests there for them either.
[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]
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You racist, anti-semite. What the hell does Zionism have to do with North Korea? What does Zionism have to do with Karl Marx? Karl Marx died in 1883, and the communist manifesto was published in 1848. The term "Zionism" - which means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland, wasn't coined until 1890.

Get your head out of you a$$, not everything in the world has to do with Jews.


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:31 PM by born2BWild
reply to post by MischeviousElf



Maybe this one was in the works since 2001 or beforehand. . . considering more events keep happening at what seems like an accelerated rate to push the new world agenda.

How George Bush Gave Krazy Kim The Bomb

Although this comes from an over exaggerated source I tend to see some truth to what he usually says. Seems to me like this could've been planned since way back and is only now coming to fuitation.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by born2BWild]


reply posted on 27-5-2009 @ 03:45 PM by born2BWild
reply to post by sweatmonicaIdo



Yeah right. Just because we are debating on an article this man posted doesn't mean we agree with his views and beliefs. I don't judge a persons facts and information based on what they believe, although I would take them into consideration to try and spot a bias in the article/story ect. . .
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