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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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I am a open critic of the madness that reigns in Washington at times.

However This is absolute trash.

China, Russia and Japan would all have to give consent, secondly There are a huge number of Troops and Civilians in South Korea, as its the most militarised zone in the world (before and after any Iraq situation)

These troops and civilians are US.

Even the crazies in the US Military would not want a third of a million US troops and support personnel and families to be shipped back a few months later with iodine, and a mushroom in cancers etc. Also the North Koreans have a HUGE stockpile of Chemical and Biological weapons they would reign down on those huge number of US people, and unless the Nuclear Strike was soo large it went to the border, and blinded every man woman and child within the entire Korean Penninsula.

Those washington Crazies know they could not stop such said WMD being used on there own People in retaliation.

The REAL official stance of the US to this, just media and public perception management, they cant attack an all out war would ensue, China would not allow it as millions would pour over the border fleeing, and they certainly dont want the US to have total military control of the penninsula, it gives china a "ACE" in the region, and makes them look less like the bad boy of the neighborhood.



In "America's North Korea Policy: Adding Lanes to the Road," Klingner argued even before this latest provocation that it was time for the United States to rethink its North Korea policy. "Despite public perceptions of a major U.S. policy shift toward North Korea, President Obama is continuing the Bush engagement strategy. The Six-Party Talks should not be the only venue for U.S.-North Korean engagement," Klingner concludes, "[a] more comprehensive strategy would offer Pyongyang a path to greater economic and diplomatic benefits while continuing to insist on compliance, conditionality, reciprocity, and verification." Among the proposals he makes in an extensive analysis of recent US diplomatic efforts is that: (1) [I]t has never been a question of whether to engage North Korea, but of how to do so. It is critical to understand that engagement is a means rather than an end, and it is equally important to control how engagement is applied. For the time being, the U.S. should continue diplomatic attempts to reduce the North Korean nuclear threat. The likelihood for success, though, is not high; (2) [w]hile the U.S. should continue to strive for a diplomatic solution to the North Korean nuclear threat, employing a combination of all instruments of national power, the Obama Administration should also accept that there simply may be no set of inducements to ensure North Korean abandonment of its nuclear weapons; (3) [t]he U.S. should establish non-flexible deadlines so that Pyongyang cannot continue to drag out negotiations. In addition, it would be prudent for Washington to initiate contingency plans with South Korea and Japan should the Six-Party Talks no longer seem to be a viable policy option

Global Security Sitrep.

So the above is the official stance, I dare say there are contingency plans, as there are for plans made for the US to Nuke its Own people in extreme situations, those planners at the pentagon have planned some very interestiing and extreme things, but to do it officially no way imho.

Maybe a Conventional Strike.... again doubt it very much China will say no, and a war much bigger than Iraq would ensue as they attacked south Korea.

America lost here once before who thinks it would be any different now?

IGNORE this story guys, dont be afraid.... of his Nukes or the US in this regard or situation alone, neither can use them openly and survive as they are.

Of course there is the slim possibility of a real event occuring when Kim dies and if transition is not smotth if a Military commander had total control and was of the same mind as Hitler, Stalin or Bush... but we face that possibilty every day.

The world is not really any more dangerous because of this than it was 2 weeks ago.... Bluffs, political moves, appeasment, media perception within and without the regime....

Too much to loose on both sides to "See" the other player now.

Kind Regards,

Elf

To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]




posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:59 PM
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Does any one not notice he just withdrew the Armistice which is an act of war? You can speculate all you want on what Kim will or will not do but the fact is he just basically committed an act of war against the South. Now this being said any wars America deems "injust" in their media, they swoop in and take out "the bad guys". Seems to me like they are building up to something and quietly. Reason it would not be on every major news source is just that. They want to keep it quiet. As said earlier in this post any war waged against North Korea would have to be large scale due the strong military funds they continually pump into their system. So do I think Nuclear War is in the cards for America? I do, however I don't think it's the only card they would play. Could their be some hidden motivation for this? Probably but I'm guessing whatever is going to happen is going to happen pretty quick here.

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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reply to post by kissmygrits"The only news site to partially trust is Fox."
 

Fox!!! Puleeeze!!! The only newsite I trust at all is ATS. I've had more first hand accounts right here on this website than anyother. Then maybe after a couple of days it will make its way to CNN, FOX, MSNBC. But as far as America doing a first strike nuke attack on N. Korea. Never gonna happen folks. Not nukes anyway. Never Never gonna happen. Even if N. Korea launches a first strike conventional attack we will never never never use nukes on N. Korea.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:01 PM
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I respect your opinion, yet not your poise. I do not think it is accurate, and a little flamboyant.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:03 PM
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AMEN and ArrrughAAA cautious!! I am responsible for this horse# government. I admit it and I can point at you as being the ass that let it happen too...any of you. Now what can we do about it?

Start a movement and be found at the bottom of an automobile accident with 3 semis?

Don't get me wrong I'm USMC qualified expert rifleman 5x ...but I cant stop that semi



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:05 PM
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Yes but look at the current situation in the U.S. could it not be they need to continually perpetuate the image of being the 'World Police' and top dog to take away from the failing economy and other aspects of the country? America has a very big ego it likes to stroke and with the right pawns in place and cards on the table isn't anything possible?



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:08 PM
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no, their was no tyranny in what I wrote. I did read it I wrote it.. Come on, settle down. Talk about trying to spin an opinion..
America is the not the enemy. For cripes sakes come on.. The op is unrealistic with source. Its also flamboyant.. That is what my post consisted the disagreement is all, and also how I saw a lack of intellect in the speculative unatuned assertions he possessed..



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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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First of all, the US will not use nuclear weapons against anyone unless there was a credible threat that that country was going to use nukes against us.

It is not coincidence that no country have used a nuclear bomb in warfare since 1945. The civilian casualties was completely unacceptable where you can use conventional weapons to stragetically attack a nation's military targets.

Even if this was a situation where the nuclear option was even remotely appropriate, look at who is in the oval office. Obama lacks the guts to even rescue an American from Somali pirates (comander of the USS Bainbridge made that call), let alone attack North Korea.

Here read this:



Analysis: US looking for Russians, Chinese to lead
By STEVEN R. HURST – 18 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration has tough words for North Korea, but it's looking to China and Russia to do the heavy lifting to punish Pyongyang for its latest nuclear test.

www.google.com...

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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russia and China whom allways held a hand over NKorea are pulling back there support so maybe russia gives china the green light and for the safety of the entire asian region to drop a nuke on NKorea showing asia that china is the asian superpower and police force in the neighbourhood.,
there were no to allmost no video's of the WO2 bombs on japan
this might even be good for that it will let us remember the power of a nuke and all those groups trying to get a nuke for terrorist acts might reconsider if they see what a nuke does because now a days
the people don't even know what it is or what will happen..
in the 60s 70s the people didn't even know what it will do they thought they could protect them self to lay down and get to cover under a desk ..

it will only be a sad day when all those innocent people will die by the fall out ect and the collapse of the high tech industrie like samsung who has its factories over there



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:15 PM
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To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

reply to post by born2BWild
 


Oh entirely so, and I agree many in washington and certain others organisations are hoping, planning and engineering a world conflict of sorts now,

As they did in WW1 and WW2 with 9/11 etc, and as they have every other time they have finished Raping a generation or three of its labour, minds and souls, and all the money has been consolidated again, start again, wipe out those who remember or create a History they want.

However the differance here is that unlike when the Bankers and early Zionists paid Marx to go a write a little book starting Communiism or Socialism proper, whilst also funding the Eugenics, and Capitilistic empires.... they choose and did that with a Plan.

no one besides a lone hermit of an Madman, no better or worse than the Cufflink and Smile Madmen who have engineered history as above, decided this course, so it is not in their interest.

The Bilderbergers, Banking Cartels, Corporations, Skull & Bones, Hawks or Zionists will have it on their own terms according to their plans, even they cant really control this nutter, there is no Resources or strategic interests there for them either.

So broadly I agree with you, yes this will unfortunately happen again soon, but not Here in Korea but at a time and place of their choosing.

Maybe Somewhere like Georgia, Iran Kazkhstan, Pakistan etc.. not Korea.

Kind Regards,

Elf

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Adrifter
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I respect your opinion, yet not your poise. I do not think it is accurate, and a little flamboyant.

Please, ellaborate. Tell me how my point of views differ from those of Thomas Paine, Thomas JEfferson, George Washington....you know, the guys who made it their ULTIMATE GOAL to get the power in the hands of the people, not the government..



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by awakentired
reply to post by cautiouslypessimistic
 


AMEN and ArrrughAAA cautious!! I am responsible for this horse# government. I admit it and I can point at you as being the ass that let it happen too...any of you. Now what can we do about it?

Start a movement and be found at the bottom of an automobile accident with 3 semis?

Don't get me wrong I'm USMC qualified expert rifleman 5x ...but I cant stop that semi



We are all at fault.
It's funny though. Everytiime the topic turns to public responsibility, there is inevitably a reason(read: excuse) as to why we can't take control of that responsibility.

Couldn't be that these excuses are the exact reason why we have been put in the position we are in, could it?



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by MischeviousElf
To add a Haiku poem on the situation Short haiku on Korea in "Your Daily Haiku thread"

reply to post by born2BWild
 


However the differance here is that unlike when the Bankers and early Zionists paid Marx to go a write a little book starting Communiism or Socialism proper, whilst also funding the Eugenics, and Capitilistic empires.... they choose and did that with a Plan.

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The Bilderbergers, Banking Cartels, Corporations, Skull & Bones, Hawks or Zionists will have it on their own terms according to their plans, even they cant really control this nutter, there is no Resources or strategic interests there for them either.
[edit on 27-5-2009 by MischeviousElf]
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You racist, anti-semite. What the hell does Zionism have to do with North Korea? What does Zionism have to do with Karl Marx? Karl Marx died in 1883, and the communist manifesto was published in 1848. The term "Zionism" - which means the national movement for the return of the Jewish people to their homeland, wasn't coined until 1890.

Get your head out of you a$$, not everything in the world has to do with Jews.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:31 PM
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Maybe this one was in the works since 2001 or beforehand. . . considering more events keep happening at what seems like an accelerated rate to push the new world agenda.

How George Bush Gave Krazy Kim The Bomb

Although this comes from an over exaggerated source I tend to see some truth to what he usually says. Seems to me like this could've been planned since way back and is only now coming to fuitation.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by born2BWild]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:32 PM
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The military resources of the USA has grown throughout Asia in the past 15 years. Yea many billions of dollars later we have now what is being referred to as the "little nato" comprised of Japan, Austrailia, India, S Korea the Phillipines and others...

The USA advanced weaponry is being imported into these countries and effectively not only exherts our strength but the defense of the North American continent into these regions.. Anti-balistic missiles launched from Singapore to intercept a Korean missile aimed at the USA is the first line of defense.
I had no idea how much activity we have been up to in empire building untill I researched.
Yea China owns our debt but Its like the Bully that takes your lunch money. What can you do about it ...Tell the teacher?

China will take this dude out. or he will just simply dissapear and a new and game playing leader will appear.

That is unless China feels confident enough to saber rattle some more. I dont think they will be that short sighted... Chinese are known for long term agendas.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Consider the source. This Hal Turner individual is a notorious neo-nazi and con-man. Essentially, he makes things up to either incite racial violence or to otherwise further his own twisted political views.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:38 PM
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Obama would not allow a first strike nuclear attack. There's just no way.

The republican party wouldn't even have to try in 2012 if Obama attacked first with a nuke in 2009.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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This is so characteristic of ATS.

The OP posted something written by a sworn white supremacist and asked other posters to analyze it. Either he was oblivious to who the man was (which is inexcusible) or he/she shares the same general worldview as the man.

To understand how (un)seriously one should regard this article, take a look at some of the responses on the website:


From "Klaatu Barada Nikto:" "The greatest threat to our national security and way of life is the 'n-word' occupying the white house, not Korea."



I admire North Korea's courage in these last 56 years, and especially today, and I hope this noble little country that stands up to the world's biggest bully does not suffer much devastation.


Are you serious???

That DHS report was spot-on. Most of you on ATS are doing a very good job of convincing people you hold these extremist views, you just hide them or express them in a different manner.

[edit on 27-5-2009 by sweatmonicaIdo]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:45 PM
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Yeah right. Just because we are debating on an article this man posted doesn't mean we agree with his views and beliefs. I don't judge a persons facts and information based on what they believe, although I would take them into consideration to try and spot a bias in the article/story ect. . .



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:46 PM
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AMEN and ArrrughAAA cautious!! I am responsible for this horse# government. I admit it and I can point at you as being the ass that let it happen too...any of you. Now what can we do about it?

Start a movement and be found at the bottom of an automobile accident with 3 semis?

Don't get me wrong I'm USMC qualified expert rifleman 5x ...but I cant stop that semi




We are all at fault.
It's funny though. Everytiime the topic turns to public responsibility, there is inevitably a reason(read: excuse) as to why we can't take control of that responsibility.

Couldn't be that these excuses are the exact reason why we have been put in the position we are in, could it?


Nah. That couldn't happen while I'm watching South Park and firing up the barbeque!

The problem that I see is that for anything to really happen then there has to be leadership. Leadership will be undone quickly in one way or another.
Yet it should happen. The truth should be exposed.

BTW NWO peeps this is a blow against the NWO. Either way it turns out, China should emerge with the high hand. Unless the drama ends up being the WW3 mirror of WW1's assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand.





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