We all know that our nation is struggling. It is because we are divided against ourselves, and we all know that anything divided against itself cannot stand.

With this understanding, I propose that we split this great nation into two great nations. One will be filled with Liberals and the other with Conservatives. Each member of the country can choose which one they want to live in.

You may wonder, how would this look. Well let me give you an idea.

The Liberal USA would take on the full Liberal Agenda.
1. Government support for the weak and irresponsible.
2. Full support of Mexican Immigration.
3. Avoidance of war at all costs.
4. Pro-Choice.
5. Government projects solely for work creation.
6. Complete regulation of Private Enterprise to the point of controlling a companies right to hire and fire, as well as union support and higher taxes.
7. A clean environment at any cost.
ETC...


The Conservative USA would take on the full Conservative Agenda.
1. A demand for personal responsibility. A dont work, dont eat policy. Where the only people subsidized are people with handicaps.
2. A curbing of illegal immigration.
3. Using war as a means to protect the nation and further national interests.
4. Pro-Life
5. Total free enterprise
6. Reduced taxes and government interference in the private sector.
7. A balacnce between financial needs and the environment.
ETC.

We could split the debt 50/50 upon the break up and go from there.

Now I know many of you will say that you have mix of views and so you dont fit either one. Well in my plan you would have to choose which one you are more closely related to.

I would choose the conservative side, even though I dont agree with every point. One hopeful thing is that we could see each agenda play out in full force and see who was right.

I see that we may bring the country back together after the Liberal Agenda bankrupts itself and the Conservative agenda builds a financial and military powerhouse. Maybe we could bring it back together one way or the other.

I dont think conservatives would like you mixing up conservative beliefs and neo-conservative ones.Last time i checked a huge military is not conservative,nevermind for the use of *furthering national interests* Should be nice to see how this thread plays out.

It doesn't work that way unfortunately. How would you enforce it?

I suppose I would go live in France.

The Liberal USA would take on the full Liberal Agenda.
1. Government support for the weak and irresponsible. Like giving banks 300 billion dollars? Thanks LIBERAL GEORGE BUSH!
3. Avoidance of war at all costs. Yea, cause war is too cool to not have one.
6. Complete regulation of Private Enterprise to the point of controlling a companies right to hire and fire, as well as union support and higher taxes. Nobody wants higher taxes. The reason the Dems are proposing higher taxes is because our deficit is unsustainable, our debt is out of control, and NEITHER party is willing to reduce spending.
ETC... This list sucks.


The Conservative USA would take on the full Conservative Agenda.
1. A demand for personal responsibility. A dont work, dont eat policy. Where the only people subsidized are people with handicaps. Like giving 300 billion to the banks? Oh, we covered that already.
2. A curbing of illegal immigration. All those conservative farmers love the idea of expensive labor, I'm sure.
3. Using war as a means to protect the nation and further national interests. Preemptive war is not a conservative value. It's a neoconservative value, which isn't actually conservative at all.
5. Total free enterprise We had that all throughout the bush years (not due to change in legislation so much as change in SEC enforcement) and it almost crashed the world economy, cost us 300 billion in bailouts, and helped Barak (dem) Obama get elected.
6. Reduced taxes You can't cut taxes without cutting spending. That's news to a lot of people, apparently.
ETC.

I'd take the USA over either of those two proposed nations any day.

you should look at post war germany and see how it effected life there.

Also, would never work, the power grids and water supplies would be in the middle of the two, so who would cover the taxes then? One side will be paying tax;s for the other, and so forth. And how would you vote? Even though we all know voting doesnt realy do anything because of how rigged it is, but still it would turn into a gloryfied dictatorship.

Well it's a noble idea, works great on paper, but ofcourse there would be some huge stint on how to implement and what land each side gets.

I mean lets face, there are states that are worth far more than others. Second, what happens to companies who operate in both "countries", by that I mean seperate states?

They couln't work under a two system like that if they both had completely different rules on how to operate and what you could and could not do. Then again International business is like that, so I guess the problems could be hammered out eventually.

I don't think the country is split up in such a black and white sort of way though, we'd really have to split it up into like 4 or 5 different countries so everybody could get a piece of the pie.

Dividing the army amongst those would be pretty damn hard too.

I'm sure eventually we will find a solution that will work, but before that we kind of need to destroy this system in favor of something perhaps a little more ethical and a little more efficient.

S&F for you my friend, this thread should produce some great ideas.

~Keeper

If this happened the left side would be blown to bits within days.

Is there any way this could actually happen, in practice, without massive amounts of bloodshed through military acts and other assorted acts of violence. You could also see millions - maybe even tens of millions - of Americans displaced because they don't necessarily fit into the "Left/Right" paradigm of either nation.

There could also probably be rogue elements in both 'Americas' under this scenario waging guerrilla wars against the nation's armed forces.

A much more palatable scenario is that you over-political Americans grow up, you know, and learn to live and work with one another. Has the us/them, we/you mentality really gotten so far out of hand that people have begun to seriously consider this as any sort of acceptable solution?

The rhetoric was certainly bad under Bush's most recent reign of terror, but it seems to have escalated to new levels entirely now that a Black man holds the office.