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Employer Faces Life Imprisonment For Paying Workers In Gold, Silver

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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I dont pay the IRS.

I am too poor for them to care


I do think they need to all go to prison tho, for treason against this nation.

Most of you act like you are scared of these IRS goons.

Do not fear, for they bleed red just as we do my friends. They are very weak.




posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:17 PM
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He is been targeted because he is challenging the system, if everybody knows how to do that then the "system will collapse".



[edit on 27-5-2009 by marg6043]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
I dont pay the IRS.

I am too poor for them to care


I do think they need to all go to prison tho, for treason against this nation.

Most of you act like you are scared of these IRS goons.

Do not fear, for they bleed red just as we do my friends. They are very weak.


It's not the IRS people fear it's the police, judges and jail time along with a really good chance of being convicted.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:19 PM
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I have studied this issue and this person for some time and followed this and other cases that he has been involved in. He fought them and won the first time. Now they come back after him for revenge and likely they are trying to make an example out of him to keep others from trying this. It is perfectly legitimate and if it ends up at the supreme court they will have to address the issue of the total devaluation of the money we have had to face.

Why is it that we are required to hold or even deal with a financial instrument that has no inherent value? They shoved this down our throats with this Federal Reserve act that was passed during the Christmas holiday when the congress was basically empty. If they tried some crap like this today it would cause a huge negative reaction and the phone lines at congress would melt down.

If you have a contract to be paid $50,000 in federal reserve notes for a year of work and in that year the Federal Reserve decides to devalue the money by 10% that same year does your contract get adjusted up to match? Not likely. The fact that they can make our currency worthless any time they like makes the dollar not worth taking in a fair trade for services.

On the other hand if you agree to be paid in gold and silver circulated currency and your contract is worth the same value or more if the FED descides to devalue the currency in that same year.

It just makes more sense to sign a year long contract in gold and silver than in Federal reserve debased fait money.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:20 PM
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ISN"T THIS STORY OLD?

educate-yourself.org...



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:24 PM
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As I said in my post this is an old story and he beat them the first time around so this is a revenge effort on the part of the IRS goons.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:29 PM
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There is no way the feds can win this case IF he declared the face value of the coins sense they are legal tender. However if he just didn't declare anything at all it's a whole nother story IF he did have an income.

Question I have is If you are paying someone with a promissory note that is not legal tender can it be taxed?

Just asking because I know smaller towns (I'm talking populations under 500-600 people) are now starting to have their own in town promissory notes good for anything in the town with maybe one or two exceptions. I remember it being on CNN I think?? a few months back but this whole thing here just reminded me of it.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:30 PM
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You can, but the very first thing a judge will tell the jury is not to listen to anything that isn't in the tax code. Even if you have evidence to the contrary, the judge will tell the jury to diregard that information.

There is no such thing as a fair trial in tax court.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by UFOTECH
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As I said in my post this is an old story and he beat them the first time around so this is a revenge effort on the part of the IRS goons.


I thought you couldn't be tried in a court of law for the same crime twice?

Is this a new trial on a different tax return, or on the same original claim?



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Doomsday 2029
ISN"T THIS STORY OLD?

educate-yourself.org...




Regardless as to how old something might be, if it's the truth, it's worth repeating. Especially since we know membership around here has gone up considerably over the years and that new eyes are seeing these stories every day.

As a newbie to ATS myself, and those still rubbing the proverbial sand out of their eyes I'd like to say thanks for rehashing the info. It's not like it isn't still relevant.

Anywhere we find the name of one of us that stands up for all of us, that name should be known and that story told.

Since we know the truth of the statement that history does indeed hang the heroes, we should celebrate their victories of the heroes of our day, however minor or seemingly inconsequential, as our time will be the only time we can be assured homage is paid unto them.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Story source is dated May 26,2009..yes this has been going on a while, but the unfolding of his case is very relevant to current events...



[edit on 27-5-2009 by RolandBrichter]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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I am an electrician and a couple of years back I went to an all cash / barter system . It has worked out very well. For example ; I did a job for an MD. valued at near &5200.00 . His wife is a chiropractor . I have not paid taxes ( minimal ) nor medical office visits for quite some time .........been working great for me .



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:57 PM
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Originally posted by prd1
I am an electrician and a couple of years back I went to an all cash / barter system . It has worked out very well. For example ; I did a job for an MD. valued at near &5200.00 . His wife is a chiropractor . I have not paid taxes ( minimal ) nor medical office visits for quite some time .........been working great for me .




I applaud anyone who is willing to unplug from this diabolical system...

As more and more unplug...the system reaches critical mass, and REAL change can take place!



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:59 PM
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Has anyone here read the IRS Code USC 26?

If you are not an "elected official, government agent, military entity or any other government affiliated person", YOU DO NOT PAY TAXES.

Does anyone here make "Federal Income"? Then why oh why would you pay a "Federal Income Tax"?

Does anyone here make "State Income"? Then why oh why would you pay "State Income Tax."

If you are not required to file a Federal Income tax return, which most AMERICANS are not required too, then you do not file State Income Tax return either. By buying into this scam you have all, and I was at one time as well, screwed yourselves.

By putting your signature on ANY tax document you are authorizing the IRS and government to have authority OVER YOU!!!! I can not put it more plainly than that. Don't file, no problem, don't sign anything!!!!

Read the print at the bottom of a job application. It is an IRS document. You need not sign it to get a job. You also do not need to supply a Soc. Sec. number either. There are ways around it if you KNOW the LAW.

So why do people post their opinion and they have done absolutely no research into the subject matter. The Guy at the beginning story was perfectly within his right. I have met a shop owner, he's been in business 30+ years and has NEVER paid taxes, State or Federal. He knows the law and how to conduct his business to keep all matters legal and straight.

Think about the blacksmiths, the wagon builders, the carpenters and such back in the 1700's, the 1800's and early 1900's before the Federal Reserve was created, did they pay taxes? I very highly doubt it.

Come on here, a bit of common sense goes a very long way.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:09 PM
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Folks - do some research on the registered language of 'LEGALESE'.

This is the language that lawyers, courts and judges speak. Learn this language, know how to defeat them at their own game. Courts are suffering defeats all over the world by people who know how to speak 'LEGALESE'. As long as you haven't broken 'common law' you should be fine. Statutes are the CONTRACTS that you can defeat.

I would explain more, but this site will do more than I can - CLICK HERE - PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THE SPECIFIC RULES ON THIS SITE ARE FOR BRITISH LAW, BUT THE MAIN IDEA BEHIND IT IS USABLE GLOBALLY.

There is a good example in the US of a fellow fighting the IRS and winning regarding his mortgage. He argued that the money the banks lent to him was created out of thin air (under the fractional reserve system) and as such was not WORTH anything. Therefore it could not be taken as LEGAL CONSIDERATION as part of a LEGALLY BINDING CONTRACT. Therefore, the court had to rule the contract null and void, the house was still his, the mortgage annulled, and the bank left to foot the bill. If everyone started doing this - the system would collapse immediately. Just pure brilliance.

Also, note that LEGALESE only comes in capital letters - so it is easily recognisable when it is being used. Look at your car registration documents etc - most importantly your birth certificate to see examples of this language and its implications.

The Para.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Bully for you!!

If you're indeed living this way,and not paying taxes or using your SSN, I highly encourage you to start a thread and show us all how exactly you did it....enlighten us, please...

I personally like the book 101 Things to Do 'Til the Revolution: Ideas and Resources for Self-Liberation, Monkey Wrenching and Preparedness by Claire Wolfe...

But I also personally know tax law "parsers" that talk as you do, yet are currently sitting in a federal pokey...



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:14 PM
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They're going to find a way to get him for capital gains. Even though the face value is less than coin value, it is still an increase in this guys networth isn't it?

Or does the mere fact that the material just happens to be viewed at as face value, regardless of the surplus value of it's chemistry.

I guess the way commodity prices are increasing. we will all get the chance to cash in on our coin values really soon!!



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
So if the contractor did $12,000 worth of labor...he was paid 6 gold coins which have a face value of $300 (6 x $50). (but are worth $946 each) That is what the IRS is upset about. Since congress declares them legal tender at $50 that is the only amount they can be taxed at isn't it?

They want to tax the $12,000worth of labor, not the $600.

It turns out this guy has caused trouble for the IRS before. You can not mess with the IRS


I love the way this guy thinks.

I was an independent contractor for years and the IRS to this day hounds me relentlessly.

I have been audited six times in twenty years.

While they are tormenting the honest hard working citizen the big wigs and the wealthy walk away with the store.

Anybody that can legally put a wrench in their cogs is alright by me.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:34 PM
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I'm in your boat as well.....IRS became interested in my "day trading" activities in the 90's...I can't sneeze without those IRS iceholes handing me a tissue...I've had to forge my own way of "income retention"....but the truth is, if the IRS really wants to give you the monkeyhammer, there's no stopping them at this point in history...I would like that to change....by any means....as soon as possible



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:35 PM
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that guy sounds like he is really cool. awesome for him, man. it reminds me of the epic themes that resound in ayn rand's fountainhead. he's like a howard roarke sort of dude. or like a john galt from atlas shrugged. yeah, more like john galt, galt even prints his own money for his society which he and his like minded friends carve out of colorado. we could all move to the same location and start our own society and have our own money.
ats ville.



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