Okay, before everyone jumps on me hear me out!

This is my point:

When the last oil reserves are spent, and coal and gas supplies are getting low, only then will we rid Mankind of its' dependency on energy from fossil fuels.

Put it another way, we will be forced to bring to the fore all these free energy ideas that are stiffled by Big Oil. We will be forced to develope renewable and clean energy supplies and methods out of necessity. Would this be a bad thing?

Imagine, no more wars over oil, less pollution, less control?

Surely we should be burning the stuff off!?

And if global warming is true (I personally do not believe in it) then it would give us a chance to get the CO2 out of our atmosphere.

The more we rely on oil and the less oil we have, the more the NWO will be able to control us, herd us, and restrict us, using the premise of the environment and energy policy.



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There will always be oil. The peak oil is just another ruse like Global Warming to get people to pay for crap they don't need.

Our planet makes as much oil as we remove, she simply makes it somewhere else.

There is TONS of oil available for us to use, we'd just rather take the hard route and make people pay through their noses for it.

~Keeper

i dont see us running out of oil, especialy with biofuel

plus when we do run out of oil we will just be priced out and we will be the poor who are more like peons in mid-evil days with the rich running things even more as they are the only ones able to afford things

the only way we will adapt anything free especially free energy is if we change the business system we use now across the world

that wont ever happen, the rich are not going to just wake up one day and say "oh lets make everyone comfortable by providing a new service"


its going to always be business as usual

supply and demand

but with 7 billion + it wont be very balanced

Originally posted by Romanian

Hi Romanian,

Well, I agree - there are TONS of oil. However our economy runs with billions of barrens a day haha. I tell you , if your theory was true, the oil companies would not spend £$ in finding new fields.

Perhaps they wouldn't but would their profits massively increase year after year as oil is allegedly running out? How so?

Actually , there was no major oilfield discovery lately - despite the money invested in the explorations.

Please give us a list of the major oil discoveries of the last decade and then a list of the discoveries in the ten years before that. I know that major discoveries are still being made but perhaps you would be willing to put your money where your repetition of the propaganda is?

The Oil peak is a real issue , and it is not just about the oil, but pretty much every natural resource we need to run the civilization.

So give me a list of when each of them is projected to run out so that i can just how worried i should be. I mean i have seen the numbers and they were accurate we would have been had far higher and persistent oil prices.

We talk about drop in quantity as well as quality .

try to watch the following video then tell me what you think about it:

I don't watch videos to get my information, mostly because i can read and would rather, and suggest you study material that you can cite in the proper sourced fashion. Peak oil is certainly a issue in long term but a real peak used to be 40 -50 years distant and will only move back as this financial crisis deepens.

Stellar

Humans are a scrappy and resourceful bunch. No doubt we'll make the transition beyond fossil fuels somehow. We're right up there with the weeds, rats, and pigeons in terms of our ability to survive and thrive in barely-natural hellholes. If we were a more enlightened species, no doubt we would have started planning and cooperating for this eventuality decades ago. But, sadly, history paints a dimmer view of humanity. We'll limp through "the change," but not all of us will make it...and it will be violent, chaotic, terrifying, and blood-soaked.

Some years ago I read a rather far-out theory about fossil fuels...the idea was that we had been "given" this two-century shot in the arm of super-power to see what we would do with it. The results would determine our ultimate fate. Would we use this power to create an earthly paradise of brotherly love, to expand to the stars and become a truly galactic species? Or would we turn inwards on ourselves and squander this precious gift on SUVs and Boom-Boxes? The answer appears obvious.

I don't believe in anything so deterministic, nor do I believe in a "they" that gives us "gifts" or presents "tests." Nevertheless, I always found the theory compelling somehow, and certainly poignent.

Only thing that will accomplish is 80% of the worlds population will starve before society adjusts. Do You realize petroleum goes into about everything You use from soaps to plastics. Petroleum is also used in fertilizer and well of coarse fuel for tractors. So just imagine if We ran out of fertilizer where would we get an alternative? We could use dung and human poo but it would take years just to build up a system to provide it to all the farmers. So in the mean time people would starve to death. I believe We need to be weened off oil and it does need to start now because if We don't We will be forced to. We could easily go to ethanol but then again farmers are paid not to plant corn and expensive machinery because congress refuses to make welfare people work.

Originally posted by jkm1864
Only thing that will accomplish is 80% of the worlds population will starve before society adjusts. Do You realize petroleum goes into about everything You use from soaps to plastics. Petroleum is also used in fertilizer and well of coarse fuel for tractors. So just imagine if We ran out of fertilizer where would we get an alternative? We could use dung and human poo but it would take years just to build up a system to provide it to all the farmers. So in the mean time people would starve to death. I believe We need to be weened off oil and it does need to start now because if We don't We will be forced to. We could easily go to ethanol but then again farmers are paid not to plant corn and expensive machinery because congress refuses to make welfare people work.

This is the crux of the matter. The food. You are correct.

Even most of the supposedly "fertile" soil on the planet is a useless dead sponge into which petroleum must be poured to make it vaiable. We've ruined our good soil by carelessly leeching out nutrients and getting it addicted to petroleium-based fertilizers.

This is the real horrorshow allright, you've hit the nail on the head.

Methane and hydrogen gases are easy enough to manufacture, there are thousands of tons of methane hydrates, and water is 2 parts hydrogen, plus solar power is getting better year on year, anyway, kasachstan [sorry for the spelling] has something like half the worlds oil, and it has hardly got into production. most American oil comes from Canada!

There is enough oil to still last quite a few centuries.I dont think we will be using it that long though,big oil companies will just invest in something else...i can guarantee you though it wont be "free energy"

Originally posted by Solomons
There is enough oil to still last quite a few centuries.I dont think we will be using it that long though,big oil companies will just invest in something else...i can guarantee you though it wont be "free energy"

OLE KING COAL WAS A MERRY OLD SOUL.

US has world's largest in-ground coal reserves on the planet...the Saudi Arabia of Coal.

If we went to a total coal-based economy we could run our economy at present wattage for about 150-200 years without importing a drop of fuel. Cars could be all battery-powered and the batteries could be charged at coal-fired plants.

Of course the environmental impact would be horriffic...no youngsters will the remember the black skies and burning rivers that characterized big coal country in the days of yore...strip mined land lying open and wounded like a rape victim, forests of blackened tree stumps. Hacking coughs and emphysima at age 40. But what the heck, we'll still have marble countertops and lattes and that's what really matters in life, right?

One thing coal CANT do is take up the slack for the petroleum-based fertilizers. That one might present a bit of a problem. Maybe we can start mining landfills and rendering down 50 years of tossed-out plastic gabage into some sort of servicable petro-goo.



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Originally posted by justsomeboreddude

So you dont like things made of plastic, moisturizers, lubricants, etc... Do you realize these things are made from oil as well?

Moisturizers are not made from this type of oil.

They are made from animal, vegetable, and synthetic oils.