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China's 'Black Jails' Uncovered

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posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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China's 'Black Jails' Uncovered


english.aljazeera.net

Local officials in China are using secret "black jails" to imprison citizens who threaten to report corruption to central authorities, an Al Jazeera investigation has revealed.
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The facilities, which allow local authorities to bypass the law, are hidden down backstreet's and alleyways. Some are nondescript "hotels", the owners of which can make up to $35 per prisoner, our correspondent discovered.
(visit the link for the full news article)


www.spectator.co.uk

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posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:10 PM
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Human rights groups, have been questioning to what extent to which Beijing is unaware of these secret detentions centers. My first impression is that this a private enterprise that is protected by local authorities.

Being that we are one of, if not the largest supporter of communism in the world, it seems to me that we have a moral obligation to know how the Chinese government is treating our manufacturing/factory work force.





english.aljazeera.net
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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I believe you would find that most Chinese would think this, if it is true, is a small price for people to pay to have order.

Never question.



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:21 PM
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[edit on 2009/5/26 by Aeons]



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:26 PM
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China is not communist,i wish people would stop saying that.I say they are fascist and capitalist.You might not have meant it but you are linking communism to atrocities such as these detention centers as if they go hand in hand.Im personally of the belief that we will see a huge shift in Chinese politics within the next 15 years or so.



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:38 PM
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Truly disturbing, how a nation can literally hide people from their own loved ones and detain them without justification or stated reason.



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by ninecrimes
Truly disturbing, how a nation can literally hide people from their own loved ones and detain them without justification or stated reason.


yepp it would be crap to be a prisoner of america in guantanamo bay



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 02:56 PM
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I gave you a star for your post, because I agree.

Even Lou Dobbs, whom I watch in the morning emphasizes 'Communist China', it's propaganda.
China is a Capitalist Dictatorship, anybody who thinks China is Communist should take lessons in political systems.

True Communism is what the world should strive for IMO. And I wouldn't strive for China's system at all.



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by ninecrimes
Truly disturbing, how a nation can literally hide people from their own loved ones and detain them without justification or stated reason.


You mean like the United States?



Because Ashton is being held under the Patriot Act, Lundeby says her son's rights have been stripped. She says for several weeks she wasn't allowed to talk to him. Lundeby feels like the government is treating her son like a terrorist.


www.wndu.com...



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Very true, China is not communist and anyone saying that is uneducated and listening to slander / hear say. China is more capitalist than the USA is they hagle over everything. If you live in a big city you can find then haggling at your local supermarket cashing in 50 cupons these people are hardcore capitalists. Facist to the core yes but not communists.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Memysabu]



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 05:32 PM
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Yes agreed the Chinese economy is über capitalist, otherwise we'd have a hard time being such close bed-fellows. As far as the government goes, it is without a doubt authoritarian communist.

My point is simply this... if we are going to toot our own horn on being the pillars of democracy, what are we doing in bed with a government that treats it's own people so unfairly.

China doesn’t have freedom of speech or press. It doesn’t tolerate any dissent. Authorities can arrest and imprison people who "threaten stability", as the party defines it. Any civilian or group that dares to question or protest is treated with swift brutality... zero tolerance/trial. There are no civil liberties, no labor unions, no centers of political power outside the communist party.

I would predict that as China becomes more prosperous and integrated into the global market they will gradually become more democratic... but as it stands now, by our own standards... slave-labor is China's norm. Which i suppose is perfectly fine with us... right? We'd never give up our Wal-mart prices for all our household goods for equality and justice around the world?

[edit on 26-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 06:22 PM
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And what pray tell is so good about democracy? I wouldn't say freedom is 51% of the people having the power to dictate to the other 49% in all honesty.And there is nothing communist about China...one example being there is no state in communism,if China are communists they are not very good ones.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by Solomons]



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 07:34 PM
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Can someone tell if and when there has been a 'good' Communist regime.
I can think of Stalins purges, Pol Pot's killing fields, 6 to 8 million people dying under Lenin from war famine etc. Millions died under Mao.
Power corrupts whichever umbrella it is under.

"I dedicate this
to all those who did not
live to tell it
And may they please forgive me
for not having seen it all
nor remembered it all,
for not having divined all of it.
.Alexsander Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago.

Should we be surprised at the Chinese Black Prisons?...no.. the government there lock beggars unlicensed taxi drivers etc., up in a system called 're education through labour'

www.youtube.com...

Or when they have more than 65 crimes which warrent execution in one of their infamous 'buses' and the trade in selling organs of those executed prisoners.
Why do our countries trade with this beast.



posted on May, 26 2009 @ 09:37 PM
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Thank you dizliz for getting us back on track. The notion that communism is some how inherently evil was not my point, what i was hoping to point out, specifically to those who consider themselves patriots who bleed in red, white and blue, that we have a history of indirectly and directly supporting some very unsavory regimes... whether they be fascist or rastafarian... if they are willing to put profits before people we'll do business with them.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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How often can you peek behind the curtains of one of the most secretive governments in the world? What lays at the heart of these black jails may no longer be a mystery...



The secret memoirs of Zhao Ziyang, the Communist Party leader ousted for opposing the military crackdown on student protesters in Tiananmen Square, exploded into the open yesterday, four years after his death.

Dictated during his years of house arrest and smuggled out on cassettes disguised as children's music or Peking opera, the book will be pored over for clues about the workings of the secretive group of men who make up the inner core of China's Communist Party. The decisions made in Beijing's Zhongnanhai compound have global impact as China is an emerging superpower, but little is known about how it functions. Prisoner of the State: The Secret Journal of Zhao Ziyang may change all that.


source: www.independent.co.uk...

[edit on 30-5-2009 by The All Seeing I]



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 11:59 AM
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On the related note, of china's ability to eliminate opposition... in the Atlantic, "James Fallows describes how thoroughly erased the Tiananmen Square atrocity is from the memory of young Chinese people. Censorship apparently works."


I have spent a lot of time over the past three years with Chinese university students. They know a lot about the world, and about American history, and about certain periods in their own country's past. Virtually everyone can recite chapter and verse of the Japanese cruelties in China from the 1930s onward, or the 100 Years of Humiliation, or the long background of Chinese engagement with Tibet. Through their own family's experiences, many have heard of the trauma of the Cultural Revolution years and the starvation and hardship of the Great Leap Forward. But you can't assume they will ever have heard of what happened in Tiananmen Square twenty years ago. For a minority of people in China, the upcoming date of June 4 has tremendous significance. For most young people, it's just another day.
source: Lost memory of Tiananmen



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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The economy of China might have capitalist overtones, however, the social make up is one where the individual is not seen as important. Uniqueness is punished, and the group is seen as the highest priority, which is only problematic because it is pushed by the GOV. Organic social norms are the way to go in my opinion... anytime an ideal is formally imposed, bad things happen... no matter what the ideal is.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 12:52 PM
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You people are all WRONG! I understand chinese and that woman was NOT crying out for help! She was just saying, "USA NUMBER 1!! HAPPY FUN CAMP HERE! DO NOT WORRY EVERYTHING IS OKAY USA NUMBER1!!!


I hope that clears some things up.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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you serious or joking? and ninecrimes, i got the joke.



posted on Jun, 3 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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Of course I'm joking you silly rabbit. She was just saying how much she enjoys labor camp and black prison. "Cattle Prod is best technique!" she exclaimed with glee. "Water Boarding #1!".


Also I would like to point out that this is one of the reasons americans have guns.

[edit on 3-6-2009 by OKCBtard]



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