Roswell Debris Confirmed As Extraterrestrial: Lab Located, Scientists Named!, page 2

reply to post by xman_in_blackx

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I agree with you Xman_in_blackx, the story has enlarged
away from the original small-town incident.
This didn't blow up and become a world-wide event until
a lot later.
Patriotism was different then, the country still believed that
their officials strived for the best, and when something mundane,
like a weather balloon came down in a place where they regularly
did, then you contacted the base, hoped for a reward and went on
with your life.
If the Army say "nothing to see here, move on" then you do,
when they say "we've got us a crashed disc"... then they have.

Brazel knew what sometimes came down on his ranch... he didn't
recognise this stuff.

reply to post by Frank Warren

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The documents and memos that refer to them add much to the crash at Roswell. It is taking a long time, but the truth is coming out in bits and pieces. Thank you for the article, Mr Warren. I always look forward to what you have to say on the subject of flying saucers.

reply to post by Welsh_Mulder

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If you read a bit further into the article they do address this point.

The earliest known combination of Titanium and Nickel reported in the scientific literature was in 1939 by two Europeans. However, this crude sample was a "by-product" of research entirely unrelated to the study of Nitinol. Its "memory metal" potential was not sought or noted. The scientists would have been unable to purify Titanium to sufficient levels at that time-and they would not have known about the energy requirement needed to create the "morphing" effect.

The whole article is pretty interesting and it is the corroborating testimony and surrounding history that is particularly compelling. More research on this needs to be done.

It is highly unlikely any mainstream media would take this up as a story. Not because there is no merit in the information but because there is a stigma attached to anything related to roswell.

interesting stuff. The full article is great -- all Roswell enthusiasts should make the effort to read it in full.

I quickly googled the primary scientist named in the article: Elroy John Center.

--go to www.trueufosightings.com...

less than one quarter down the page, there's an interesting anecdote there about Center (under the paragraph header "The 'I-Beams'"):

...In May of 1992 one of us was approached by an informant who told an intriguing story. For the record, he was not a Battelle employee. He had attended North High School in Columbus, Ohio, graduating in June of 1960.

Between January and April of 1958, he dated a classmate named Cathy Center. One evening while he was visiting her home, Cathy's father, Mr. Elroy John Center, told them that while working at Battelle (he had left their employment in 1957) he was responsible for a project which required him to study 'parts' retrieved from a flying saucer. The parts had some sort of writing on them and his job was to 'find out what the characters meant.' He told them that there was 'lots more I can't go into. It's been bothering me since I saw it.' Given that some of the material (actually described as small 'I beams' retrieved from the pre-crash debris field near Roswell, New Mexico in July, 1947 has been described as having some sort of writing on it, the obvious question is did the 'parts' Mr. Center study come from the same crash event?

The fact that Mr. Center's story was told long before the details of the Roswell debris were known publicly, the possible confirmation of his story by the later descriptions of that debris cannot be ignored.

Also, I believe this is probably his graduating class from University of Michigan, 1939 (B.Sc in Chemical Engineering):








[edit on 26-5-2009 by eniac]

reply to post by Welsh_Mulder

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I do agree with you,
although to be fair to the OP's referenced article,the article does
say that Nitinol was not a replica of the shape memory metal,
but was a product of human endeavour that was already in the process
(my words) and the inference is that the metal found brought this process
along.They knew,(in the story that is) that Titanium was part of the contents and also Nickel.
Perhaps what is compelling is the telling of Jesse Marcel,or his son, of this stuff reforming itself after bending,and that has always been the story.
To Bloodsearch in edit...we must have been posting at the same time!



[edit on 26-5-2009 by smurfy]

reply to post by bloodsearch

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I agree and see what you are getting at, however, how can we prove that what is being stated in this article is the whole truth and not an embellishment to sell more copies of the book, also mentioned in the article?

All too often 'evidence' pops up into books but there is never any concrete proof behind it.

I think the mainstream media for this reason is weary of UFO stories. If you make a claim, you need to back it up with proof, not talk of the proof being lost, unobtainable, or the person who made the claim having now died, etc

I want to believe.... but common sense tells me not to.

reply to post by tallcool1

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Hi,
Maybe you should go boil an egg...see if it changes shape
and then you can go and tell those witnesses they only imagined
things,since you are way beyond the rest of us,
mischievious post my friend!

reply to post by eniac

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This part of your quote I find odd in a funny sort of way:

"Between January and April of 1958, he dated a classmate named Cathy Center. One evening while he was visiting her home, Cathy's father, Mr. Elroy John Center, told them that while working at Battelle (he had left their employment in 1957) he was responsible for a project which required him to study 'parts' retrieved from a flying saucer. The parts had some sort of writing on them and his job was to 'find out what the characters meant.' He told them that there was 'lots more I can't go into. It's been bothering me since I saw it.'"

SO, the father in this story is just fine and dandy telling the kid dating his daughter all about the study of the mysterious writing on the chunks of downed alien craft - but he can't say more than that. He'll blab about the absolute most top secret government project ever with the craft and the symbols, but really can't say more than that.

Let's just pretend that this was true. That guy and his daughter and the kid dating her would have been in an unfortunate and tragic car accident/plane crash/murder suicide/Dick Cheney hunting accident or whatever.

Lets deny ignorance instead of embrace it.

reply to post by smurfy

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What does boiling an egg have to do with the religion of alien visitation? SO, since there are things on Earth that change shape and physical properties, etc. - this means that "aliens" visit us? I guess I am just to dumb to understand the connection.

reply to post by tallcool1

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You're absolutely right. Whatever it is you're driving at.

reply to post by tallcool1

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Thanks for your reply,
Although you left out the bit about visiting the witnesses.
Funny thing is,I live in Northern Ireland and one of the favourite
tricks played on a newbie in industry here is to send him off for a bucket of steam,the other one is to send him for a SKYHOOK,
they don't exist here only in America and funny enough skyhooks
were the very things that Roswell was supposed to be about,
if you see what I mean.

reply to post by merka

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The titanium/nickel alloy nitinol was introduced by the Naval Ordnance lab in 1962/63. It is surmised that the actual primary work was done by Battelle some time after 1947. This is based on Battelle scientific reports. Battelle is an advanced research and development company that has been doing classified work for the military since 1929. It's main facility is near Wright Patterson air force base. It operates six U.S. national laboratories.

The issue of NiTi being researched in 1939 is basically that it was a by product of a metallurgical experiment studying the crystalline structure of metals. Memory metal properties and recovery of shape in the samples was not the intention of the research nor was it noted in the resultant reports.

Titanium was not the point or focus of commercial or military development until late 1947 whe it became a desired and sought after commodity for use in research and military design. According to the industrial arts index, late 1947 saw a large number of scientific research papers published about the properties of titanium. Most focused on methods of influencing strength and flexibility in manufacturing.

Much of the information on Battelle comes from AF33 (038)-3736 which is a progress report to Wright Patterson from Battelle.

It is rumored that in 1973 the US government studied the effects of psychic power on affecting the shape and hardness of nitinol.
-(Influence on Metal Alloy Nitinol) 1973 Naval Surface Weapons Center,White Oak Laboratory, Silver Springs MD, Eldon Byrd

The same sources found on Battelle and nitinol also suggest that serious research into titanium-zirconium alloys was started in late 1947.

reply to post by Frank Warren

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Thanks for sharing Frank, this is great news, let's see what happens and how this progresses, the case has just gotten a bit stronger. It wasn't even a few months ago when an ex-fireman eye witness told his story. Now there's more.

Regards,

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