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Blowback Begins?: 42-Year CIA Vet Details the Agency's Rich History of Lying to Congress!

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posted on May, 26 2009 @ 07:47 AM

The faux Republican outrage over Nancy Pelosi's perceived slight, in charging that CIA briefers directly misled Congress, has been amusing to watch. Even as the Democrats' seeming inability to either defend her, or fear of sinking into the same phony political sandtrap, is disappointing. But Democrats seem to excel at disappointment these days, so that part of the ginned-up story is hardly surprising.

The GOP hypocrisy in charging that Pelosi has somehow hurt the morale of The Agency in the bargain (and, as bonus, that Obama's release of the Bush Torture Memos has endangered CIA operatives) has been all the more amusing to witness, in their complete and entire selective amnesia of their party's own 100%, unqualified support of a White House which, for the first time in the history of this nation, had publicly outed the identity of a covert CIA operative. In unapologetically exposing Valerie Plame-Wilson, and completely destroying her entire, crucial network monitoring the trafficking of WMD in the Middle East along with it, untold damage was brought not only to CIA operatives risking their lives in the defense of this nation, but also to the national security of the nation itself, which was significantly blinded in the Middle East --- and on the issue of WMDs, of all things --- at a time when we were theoretically going to war there, over that very issue. Yet, the Republicans chose to side with the criminals in treason, over the "morale" or "effectiveness" of The Agency in their shortsighted and inexcusable politicization of the matter.

It doesn't get much more absurd than all of that...unless you add to it the Democrats' near-complete incapacity to take on, and tear down, the opportunistic Republicans on their own, absurdist argument in phony defense of the CIA of late.

came across this and thought you might find it interesting

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posted on May, 26 2009 @ 07:52 AM
reply to post by Free4Ever2

Do you think the CIA is run by the shadow government? Perhaps they know not to answer to Congress or the President because they have their own hidden agenda.

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 07:54 AM
reply to post by leira7

thats a strong possibilty yes, i mean if they are run by the shadow governments then it makes sense that they have been lying to congress for all this time. obviously they wernt afraid of any backlash.

how about you, what do you think?

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 08:46 AM
Most of the people in the CIA love America and have and do sacrifice for the good of the country. Most have families, children and loved ones here in North America. Most never meet other so called spies or leave the office.

You and I only witness and read about the horror stories. We seldom read about the heroes.

I have known men to simply word given to their children and wife. All part of a sacrifice for America.

My friend’s father vanished like this. Somewhere in South America. He has never heard from his Dad since and we are now both 50 year old men.

Unless you have very good sources as well as good background I would be careful what you say concerning the many who love this country who work for the CIA and other orgs.

They are for you as an American and as a is not to say we have some that may not fit the grade of good citizen.

Look at Valerie and her husband....good people done wrong by politics.

With all that I enjoyed the read....but this was not written by a ex.

Mr. Bassett said that the CIA’s role was to provide human intelligence, when electronicpassive
intelligence gathering measures used by the NSA and other agencies would not
work. The CIA saves American lives when their efforts are covert (no public disclosure of what
is known). Not all applicants are morally prepared to lie and cheat the way that the CIA is
authorized to do. There was a surge in new CIA agents following the September 11th attacks
in New York and Washington DC.

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posted on May, 26 2009 @ 09:10 AM
Good read.
Yes, the faux outcry was certainly stifled when it was brought out that one of their own, Rep. Pete Hoekstra, said the CIA lied.
What a bunch of jerks!

I remember the Democrat lead Church Committee of the 1970s. Since then, the corporate inroad into the Democratic Party seems to have wienie-ized them. They no longer act like watch dogs but rather lap dogs.

"Lying to congress" can also mean not giving complete information on their activities. Been done in the past, no problem doing it now.

Shadow government? I would say, no. People who like to run guns and drugs under CIA cover?...yes.
Has there been honest collection/analysis efforts by CIA employees? Yes. But has there been lying to Congress? Yes.

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 09:19 AM
reply to post by leira7

I think there are factions of the CIA that splintered off during the 50s/60's.Basically the splintered off group are using the CIA as a front

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 09:20 AM
reply to post by whiteraven

"I have known men to simply word given to their children and wife. All part of a sacrifice for America.

My friend’s father vanished like this. Somewhere in South America. He has never heard from his Dad since and we are now both 50 year old men.

Unless you have very good sources as well as good background I would be careful what you say concerning the many who love this country who work for the CIA and other orgs.

I am sorry but i am not afraid of " the many who love this country who work for the CIA and other orgs. " They may make me disapear, they may kill me, they may torture me, but as i always maintain i am free for ever, even after death, i feel it is my duty to let people know eveything i can and if that costs me my life then its a life well spent, maybe thats my scottish blood hehe. As a scottish person living in scotland i have been raised to stand for all i beleive in no matter what the cost. i dont doubt that many cia agents have sacrificed alot for there country and loved ones and find it very honourable that many have done so
its the dirty ones i am not a fan of, the ones who disregard humanity and only see a profit in such things as drug running and smuggling of weapons to fuel drug wars and such.

but thanks again my friend for your input
peace and love

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 10:30 AM
reply to post by desert

thanks for your input my friend, its always good to hear what people think of such things as it helps me educate myself also
once again thanks

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 10:51 AM
reply to post by Free4Ever2

Sorry you mistook my post as a threat...I apologize for the miscommunication.

I am simply stating that we do not know the truth of the matter and that most involved are simply hard working people.

The reference to my friends Dad was to show the sacrifice for the Country that many families undergo.

The Memorial Day weekend is fresh in the hearts and minds of those who have lost loved ones......and I feel a surge of appreciation for all who gave and for those who gave all.

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 11:01 AM
reply to post by whiteraven

im sorry i mis understood my friend, i undestand the sacrifice that people have made and am proud to call myself a human being along side them
thanks for clearing that up for me and i apologise is i came across rude in anyway. peace

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 11:27 AM
I think that during the last administration many CIA agents and other intelligence officers who had made a career as middle east specialists were canned - men and women who had spent sometimes 25 or 30 years in service to this country were replaced and sometimes trashed for no other reason than the expediency of and the single mindedness of that administration's agenda in the middle east - one that was not necessarily based on fact or need or precedence and which was also very slanted and tainted by partisanship.

If you and your life's career were tossed into the dustbin for reasons like that how would you feel? What happened there in addition to the insertion of the NSA was extremely radical and hurt and destroyed the careers of a lot of dedicated and very patriotic people.

posted on May, 26 2009 @ 11:47 AM
I think the CIA is used to carry out evil agendas and then are the first to be thrown under the bus for carrying out those orders... It is quite easy to lose your sense of direction when the entire mission of the agency walks a very fine line of morality. You should read this from the CIA website about how they feel about politicians. It is quite telling...

Beaumarchais' appraisal of politicians is widely shared these days, and perhaps nowhere more than among members of Executive Agencies who have come to look upon Congressmen and their endless investigations and criticisms as irreconcilable enemies of the bureaucratic establishment. In the case of agencies involved in sensitive questions of national security, the problem is intensified by concern among the bureaucrats that Congress will, perhaps inadvertently, lack proper discretion in the handling of highly classified material to which it demands access. On the other hand, the Congress instinctively suspects that whenever an Executive Agency pleads national security as an excuse for withholding information, the purpose is merely to cover up mischief or inefficiency.

In the case of an agency involved in foreign intelligence, the problem is further complicated by traditional American squeamishness about the morality of spying in peacetime-reading other people's mail, or subverting other people's loyalties. And sometimes our own poor judgment or clumsy tradecraft have contributed to Congressional suspicions that many of our activities are counterproductive or create unnecessary irritants in the nation's foreign relations.

Our problem then is whether an organization like CIA can operate in American society without being so open as to be professionally ineffective, or so secret as to be politically unacceptable.

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