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On the other hand, it is quite plausible that some intra-haplogroup variation – hardly noticeable at the level of HVS-I motifs – already existed in Beringia and was carried directly further south into the American double-continent.
In any case, all the abovementioned scenarios do not support the ‘Clovis-first’ hypothesis, but are well in agreement with the undisputed ages of the earliest Paleoindians in South America [42].
You keep asking but you ain't listening
Kandinsky: You are trying to allow for the possibility (again) that a separate bipedal hominid evolved in the Americas.
Mozzy: I have a question for you. i can't seem to understand the difference between mono and poly phylogenetic evolution. how can it be that polyphylogenetic evolution is any different than mono?
What I 'believe' or what I 'think' is quite immaterial. It's what can be proven (beyond reasonable doubt) that actually counts.
If it can accept this then there is little reason not to accept that parallel evolution of species could have occurred much earlier in the evolution of species i.e. at the Precambrian stage.
Kandinsky: Before this thread began, the best evidence was 'beginning' to show that life came earlier than Clovis to the Americas.
Kandinsky: Seriously Scott, if you need to travel 600million years in time to re-write history and allow for the 'possibility' that "insert your beliefs here" can happen...
Once again, given that parallel evolution occurs within branches of the phylo-tree, do you accept that parallel evolution could then have occurred at a much earlier stage, including Precambrian? Yes or No? It's a straightforward question.
I'm minded of a dog that chases its own tail. The observers know it is just a tail and the dog can't catch it. So why does the dog carry on? Why doesn't it understand this? It's simple...it's too busy chasing his own tail to notice
Originally posted by Scott Creighton
reply to post by Kandinsky
Hello Kandinsky,
Kandinsky: Seriously Scott, if you need to travel 600million years in time to re-write history and allow for the 'possibility' that "insert your beliefs here" can happen...
SC: Parallel evolution is not a "possibility" - it is a FACT as I have repeatedly demonstrated to you. Do you accept this? Yes or No?
As for there being "no evidence" I have one thing to say to you - VSM's evidence.
Regards,
Scott Creighton
Hello Kandinsky,
Kandinsky: Seriously Scott, if you need to travel 600million years in time to re-write history and allow for the 'possibility' that "insert your beliefs here" can happen...
SC: Parallel evolution is not a "possibility" - it is a FACT as I have repeatedly demonstrated to you. Do you accept this? Yes or No?
As for there being "no evidence" I have one thing to say to you - VSM's evidence.
Kandinksy: Starred! For combining the two 'defenses' into one post with few extraneous words. Let no scientific evidence or studies have validity from this moment forth in your world. Genius.
SC: And on that note, the case for the defense rests, M'lord!
Regards,
Scott Creighton
Kandinsky: Utter incapability to change a dogmatic mind-set.
Originally posted by DaddyBare
... if we say Lucy evolved from great apes or an off shoot of that line then the problem with poly phylogenetic happening in the new worlds is there are no great apes or anything close in the new world to make that evolutionary leap from...
Originally posted by Scott Creighton
You see, whilst you readily accept that parallel evolution can, has and does occur within different branches of your single-phylo-tree model you then contradict this by not allowing for such to occur at the very outset of animal and plant life i.e. at the Precambrian stage.
Originally posted by Scott Creighton
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck
Hello Johnny,
I was just about to say the same thing. Here's a couple of links to early North American primates:
news.nationalgeographic.com...
www.pnas.org...