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reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 07:49 PM by Sonya610

Originally posted by Illuminatus ISo you are all for these parents watching their kid die slowly from cancer, while they give him voodoo hoodoo plants and magic spells?]

No actually I think the kid should get chemo if he is not too far gone.

I simply found your "dog reference" to be offensive.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 07:51 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by Illuminatus ISo you are all for these parents watching their kid die slowly from cancer, while they give him voodoo hoodoo plants and magic spells?]

No actually I think the kid should get chemo if he is not too far gone.

I simply found your "dog reference" to be offensive.

Well I apologize then. I was using it in the sense of old yeller being put down.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 08:40 PM by riddle6

reply to post by Illuminatus I

Consider yourself the winner then, I'm bowing out before I make a mistake/say something that I'll regret.

I appreciate your apology, but next time it would probably be better if you also made a better attempt at a quality argument. Resorting to name-calling and useless insults is no way to have a quality argument here (or at least in my opinion). I would also advise that the next time you fell that someone did have a "suicidal" outlook, then you send them a U2U and not display it on the thread for everyone to see.

As for my argument, I was actually trying not to go too far into my personal opinion because I felt that it didn't belong in this thread after a certain point.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 09:16 PM by ghaleon12

And YES, I would still refuse treatment for myself even if the doctor told me there was a 99% chance of a cure. I'm not crazy,

Really... you'd rather live 1 year of life free of chemo, than 20 years with with a cycle of chemo?

You are crazy. Crazy like a fox.

I don't like how you're passing judgment on someone you don't even know. Is this person spiritual? or religious? You have no idea, which is what bugs me. Based on your fear of death, he is crazy, that's a great standard to go by. Perhaps give the slightest effort to try to understand people rather than being abrasive, you're looking like a jerk frankly.

Originally posted by riddle6
Okay, I'm done with this.

Seriously, in my entire time here on ATS (and I've been here a lot longer that October of last year), I have NEVER seen anything like what you are posting. It's beyond ridiculous. You completely fail to take into consideration the experiences of someone else, and then you accuse me of having a "suicide tendency" based on the mere fact that I would not want to poison myself again with chemotherapy.

It is completely useless for me to continue this conversation when you continue to pick apart everything that I post and then accuse me of violating the T&C, when I have done no such thing.

I haven't seen anything like it either, and he's doing it on purpose, which in my book would be a warning at least. Sorry you had to deal with that guy.

[edit on 26-5-2009 by ghaleon12]

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 09:36 PM by Cool Breeze

reply to post by Illuminatus I

Wow man what is your problem? How can you back up the government's decision to put their nose into something that they have no business being involved in. The parents had a valid reason for denying the chemo so this should not even be a topic. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD FOR MY CHILDREN!!! WHAT NERVE!!!

[edit on 02/04/2009 by Cool Breeze]

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 09:56 PM by harvib

reply to post by Illuminatus I

while they give him voodoo hoodoo plants and magic spells?

Someone mentioned that the mother was taking the boy to a center in Mexico. If that is so it is most likely the Hoxsey clinic in Tijuana. They have a tremendous track record of curing cancer going all the way back to the early part of last century. They used to operate in the US but were run out by the FDA.

BTW if the medical industry similar to other powerful industries had sway in creating legislation and Government enforcement agencies, and through these legislations and Government agencies they were able to ensure that effective treatments that were not profitable to the industry remained suppressed and profitable "treatments" are the only available options? Would you still hold firm to your position?

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:00 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by Cool Breeze
reply to post by Illuminatus I

Wow man what is your problem? How can you back up the government's decision to put their nose into something that they have no business being involved in. The parents had a valid reason for denying the chemo so this should not even be a topic. IT IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT THAT SHOULD DECIDE WHAT IS GOOD FOR MY CHILDREN!!! WHAT NERVE!!!

[edit on 02/04/2009 by Cool Breeze]

The government can, does, and WILL decide what is best for YOUR children should they feel the need to.

You can't just say, "Oh, I think it's best to ABUSE my child..."

There are LAWS in place to PROTECT CHILDREN FROM ADULTS.. and that includes their parents. That includes YOU. A Parent can't just enter their child into a child porn ring because they think it's best for the children.. or enter their children into a suicide cult (like anti-chemo cult!) because of their twisted religious beliefs.

Or... "My child just broke his leg, it's best that he just lay there and heal naturally!"

Or.. "My child has cancer, it's best he just lay there and undergo magic voodoo!"

You might think it's okay for these parents to sit back and watch their kid die, but I centrality don't.

The child should be dragged away from his weirdo parents and taken to a hospital immediately where he can receive proper care instead of Indian magic.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:01 PM by Cool Breeze

reply to post by riddle6

No no no please put your opinion in this topic because you actually have something to base your opinion on. A few family members and friends have gone through this and I also share your opinion on chemo. I would have not slowly poison myself for a couple years for the possibility of maybe one extra year added on to my time line. Don't feel like you should keep your story out of this topic because unlike the other side of the argument (Illuminati) [as far as I know] has nothing other than emotions to base his opinion on. Congrats on surviving a horrible, ugly disease. Stay healthy.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:05 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by ghaleon12

I don't like how you're passing judgment on someone you don't even know. Is this person spiritual? or religious? You have no idea, which is what bugs me. Based on your fear of death, he is crazy, that's a great standard to go by. Perhaps give the slightest effort to try to understand people rather than being abrasive, you're looking like a jerk frankly.

What on earth are you talking about? Passing judgment? I just called the guy crazy. You need to lighten up.

Besides, I don't have a fear of death, I have a love of life. There is a difference, don't confuse them otherwise you just come across as a rapscallion preaching to a drier.

I haven't seen anything like it either, and he's doing it on purpose, which in my book would be a warning at least. Sorry you had to deal with that guy.

Doing it on purpose? Doing what on purpose? Typing on purpose?

Yes, I'm trying on purpose and stating my argument on purpose. I think you are avoiding the topic on purpose and attempting to slander me on purpose.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:07 PM by Cool Breeze

reply to post by Illuminatus I

Ok for one your argument on "me abusing my child" and me deciding what treatment is best for my child is moronic at best. How old are you honestly?

Are you the type of person who does whatever the good ol' government tells you to do huh??? Well let me know how the H1N1 vaccine works out for ya.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:12 PM by harvib

reply to post by Illuminatus I

The government can, does, and WILL decide what is best for YOUR children should they feel the need to.

So you support a system where the Government is the parent of the Nations children. The biological mother and father are only parents by proxy? If and when this becomes the case lets all hope that the motives of this Government of yours are in the best interest of the children and not to an oligarchy.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:25 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by Cool Breeze
reply to post by Illuminatus I

Ok for one your argument on "me abusing my child" and me deciding what treatment is best for my child is moronic at best. How old are you honestly?

... and your reply is completely and utterly worthless at best. If you think you can abuse your child and withhold medical treatment from them, then I hope you have some sensible neighbors who will call HRS and put your children under proper care.

Are you the type of person who does whatever the good ol' government tells you to do huh??? Well let me know how the H1N1 vaccine works out for ya.

I'm the type of person that will take your kid away from you if you are abusing them. Just because you have a child doesn't mean it is your slave or your science experiement to try out "alternative treatments".

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:26 PM by riddle6

reply to post by Cool Breeze

Believe me, I really want to share my opinion, my entire opinion, on this situation. I won't though because I feel like it will just get me into trouble, and won't be worth it.

Thank you very much on the congratulations, I've been healthy for three years. Once I hit five I should be in the clear (hopefully). I hope your family members and friends are doing well.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:27 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by harvib
reply to post by Illuminatus I

The government can, does, and WILL decide what is best for YOUR children should they feel the need to.

So you support a system where the Government is the parent of the Nations children. The biological mother and father are only parents by proxy? If and when this becomes the case lets all hope that the motives of this Government of yours are in the best interest of the children and not to an oligarchy.

What are you implying? That the NWO wants the kid to undergo Chemo so the reptilian overlords have another body to feed on?

You people keep pulling stuff out of thin air like this! First it's "Chemo doesn't work" then it's "secret motives" then "oligarchies"... I just assume reptilians will be next.

I support a system where parents aren't allowed to murder their children.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:30 PM by HunkaHunka

reply to post by Illuminatus I

Wait just a minute...

Murder their kids?

Deciding for quality of life over longevity of life is somehow murdering someone? What if I choose it for myself is that somehow suicide?

You have no CLUE what murder is if you think this is the definition of it.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:37 PM by Cool Breeze

reply to post by riddle6

One friend made it but the few family members were not as fortunate. Please message me your opinion and I will post it myself. Getting kicked off of here would be worth putting him in his place. People who have never seen what chemo does first hand have no weight in this argument.

As for Illuminatus1 comment about the government going after this kid because of reptiles or whatever stop typing now. Apparently you lack the brain function to understand what people are saying. Why must it be a far-fetched conspiracy in order for someone not to listen to their government. IMO the government does not have my (or my family's) best interest at heart so why in the world would I listen to something regarding me or my family's health?

Quit with the unfounded points and bring something that's valid and sane to the discussion for a change

[edit on 02/04/2009 by Cool Breeze]

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:37 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
reply to post by Illuminatus I

Wait just a minute...

Murder their kids?

Deciding for quality of life over longevity of life is somehow murdering someone? What if I choose it for myself is that somehow suicide?

You have no CLUE what murder is if you think this is the definition of it.

Yes, if you choose to murder yourself then that is suicide.

If you chose to assist-suicide your children to perform experiments on them, or to collect insurance then you are murdering.

There is reason to believe that the state is saying to use chemo because of a life insurance policy.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 10:41 PM by Cool Breeze

reply to post by Illuminatus I

You are REDICULOUS!!!
Second Line

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:21 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by Cool Breeze
reply to post by riddle6

One friend made it but the few family members were not as fortunate. Please message me your opinion and I will post it myself. Getting kicked off of here would be worth putting him in his place. People who have never seen what chemo does first hand have no weight in this argument.

I've seen what it does, first hand... and I GUARANTEE that I've seen it MUCH more than you. I've seen it both kill and save.

WHAT HAVE YOU SEEN?!

I've been working in the medical field for a good while now, and have seen much more than you care to realize.

You need to step down from your little high horse, and realize that there are people out there that have much more experience than you and your little "I've been through it" schpeal.

reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 11:22 PM by Illuminatus I

Originally posted by Cool Breeze
reply to post by Illuminatus I

You are REDICULOUS!!!
Second Line

Please Cool Breeze, that is really uncalled for.

If you can't contribute to the thread in a quality manner, please leave. If you want to post nonsense like this, go start a blog.

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