So what determined whether or not they were monsters? Do you mean literal monsters or figurative?

Originally posted by Hydroman
So what determined whether or not they were monsters? Do you mean literal monsters or figurative?

Guess we'll have to ask Enoch son of Jared. He calls them monsters and giants....

I believe crucifixion items (such as the Spear) will be found, DNA will be obtainable, and will be matched up with "someone" as proof of Jesus existence and offspring. I believe it will be a trick to dupe the masses but will be effective, perhaps even the foretold Great Deception.

The sequence of events involving messiah is prophecy rather than historical account.

The Jews of the Torah are absolutely correct.

Their religion was hijacked by Rome.

Correction. St. Peter issued the order around AD60. The Knights Templar acquired it somehow in the early 1200's in Israel-Palestine and were stripped of it around 1309 - 1314 (The Templar was ordered disbanded and stripped and banished in the 1309 Roma Confrence that decreed that the Catholic Church was to never again have a malitia (an order that still stands 701 yrs later)) where it resurfaced in the late 1700's in France (some say Napolean had it but lost it) then to reappear sometime in the 1930's Germany where Hitler had it until being moved out of Germany in 1949 to it's present day home in The USA. Sometime between 2006 - 2007 there was sme talk to transfer it to the museum but it never went and a perfect and flawless copy was made so that the copy is on display.


Something like that needs to be well hidden and well protected. That would be like the US NSA Director leaving The Football on someone's stoop with the launch codes placed on top.

No record exists because this is the very first time this is ever being mentioned so no sources or citations can be given. Take this as a measure of good faith that I have it on good faith that this information is 100% correct, facual and accurate.

Cartaphilus who was a Jewish shoemaker used it to pierce Jesus during the crucifiction and was sentenced to walk the Earth until the end of days. This person is still alive and has been trying to get his hands on it so that he could use it to in effectively end and wipe out the Earth so he can die.

[edit on 20-4-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
(The Templar was ordered disbanded and stripped and banished in the 1309 Roma Confrence that decreed that the Catholic Church was to never again have a malitia (an order that still stands 701 yrs later))

There is still a highly Catholic Military Order, namely the "Knights of Malta", the former Johannite Order, who rivalled the Templars.

then to reappear sometime in the 1930's Germany where Hitler had it

And where did he first see it? At around twelve, he saw the spearhead being exibited at Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna.

Cartaphilus who was a Jewish shoemaker used it to pierce Jesus during the crucifiction and was sentenced to walk the Earth until the end of days. This person is still alive and has been trying to get his hands on it so that he could use it to in effectively end and wipe out the Earth so he can die

There is a whole bunch of stories and traditions concerning the spear and some name the centurion Longinus, others Panthera, and now you relate him to a Jewish shoemaker. Can you please direct me to a place where I can read the myth you present?

Originally posted by Neo Christian Mystic

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
(The Templar was ordered disbanded and stripped and banished in the 1309 Roma Confrence that decreed that the Catholic Church was to never again have a malitia (an order that still stands 701 yrs later))

There is still a highly Catholic Military Order, namely the "Knights of Malta", the former Johannite Order, who rivalled the Templars.

- All are ordered disbanded and stripped.

then to reappear sometime in the 1930's Germany where Hitler had it

And where did he first see it? At around twelve, he saw the spearhead being exibited at Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna.

- Vienna is in Austria and it was moved out of Vienna around 1914 before the First World War broke out to hide it.

Cartaphilus who was a Jewish shoemaker used it to pierce Jesus during the crucifiction and was sentenced to walk the Earth until the end of days. This person is still alive and has been trying to get his hands on it so that he could use it to in effectively end and wipe out the Earth so he can die

There is a whole bunch of stories and traditions concerning the spear and some name the centurion Longinus, others Panthera, and now you relate him to a Jewish shoemaker. Can you please direct me to a place where I can read the myth you present?

- It is not a myth. Cartaphilus pierced Jesus with it during the procession in an attempt to stop the pain he was feeling. He thought he was doing a good thing that backfired upon him. No links exist due to the sensitive nature of the topic at hand. You have no faith if you try and poke holes in everything everyone says. That gets nothing constructive accomplished.

Put the rod, reel and tackle box away and stop phising for holes.

Answered in quote. Ask your local Bishop, Cardinal or other high level Priest and ask him it "off the record" as that is the only way to get and to learn truth.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]