Originally posted by network dude
Fear mongering aside, I kind of thought it was a good idea to have this kind of info on your children no matter how you get it. If you don't trust the CHIP program because of the name, then get the stuff yourself. I just think it's a good idea. The amber alert folks think so too. They kind of dictate what needs to be in these kits. Fear mongering is like saying the world will end next week unlett you buy carbon offsets. This is a bit different. It's called being responsible.

It is a good idea. Nice job of wrapping that up ND. That was close to my point, I just don't trust others with the info. That's me and that's my prerogative. And I mean no slight to you or your lodge. You're not the only group(s) trying to help protect children. You have my respect.

I think there are two words that are key with this and they are timely and responsible. This is one of the responsibilities of parenthood and it needs to be done in a timely manner. People have busy lives (of their choosing) and too often the most critical but seemingly little things get put off. How much time are we talking to gather a copy of a birth certificate, finger and footprints, a little hair in a zip-lock and a couple of recent photos? Ten maybe fifteen minutes over the course of a couple days?

I do think you could have attracted people to this topic without the deception. Although... I have had threads I thought were sure fire turn into duds and possibly because the title was too tame. After all, this is the home of UFOs, NWOs, wackos and more. It's hard to compete with "Man Eating Dog!" and the like.

Originally posted by Wertdagf
An aging evil person or, evil persons relative/friend, needs an organ transplant and has the influance or the money to gain acess to this database of information. He then finds your childs rare or just matching blood type and hunts him down.

If your child has not been abducted and you do not hand over the information than how does the hypothetical person in your scenario obtain the information. These kits are meant to be used in case of an emergency, not to prevent one.

Originally posted by Missing Blue Sky
What? Who goes around fingerprinting children to see who their caregivers say they are?

Law enforcement would be the one that I would think to be most prominent in a long-term child abduction scenario.

The Masons are not creating a database, at least that is what they claim. But law enforcement could start collecting a database.

Law enforcement agencies have already started collecting this type of information by hosting similar programs. The waiver a parent signs for law enforcement sponsored programs acknowledges that this information will be placed in a data base. At Masonic sponsored events the data is given to the parents to use as they see fit.

The masons create an ID collection (MasoniCHIP) for you which includes digital photo, voice recognition, fingerprint, saliva collection, teeth imprint, and DNA.

Do you want that kind of profile for yourself? Then why would you want it for your child?

As a firearms owner in New Jersey I have been fingerprinted and digitally photographed.

These identification techniques do not make us safer only erode our dignity and privacy. TPTB would love to have all that data in the microchip they intend to implant everyone with in the future. Plus your banking and medical records. This is nothing more than fear mongering and desensitization.

This is all speculative in my opinion.




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This is an outrage! I demand my masonic nuke chip!

Originally posted by miragezero
This is an outrage! I demand my masonic nuke chip!

I demand that this man's inalienable right to have a nuclear chip implanted be met!

Ok, fair enough, but might it not condition citizens for the emergence of such a data base revolving around biometric identification technologies?

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
Ok, fair enough, but might it not condition citizens for the emergence of such a data base revolving around biometric identification technologies?

I honestly don't think so Omega. This isn't a new thing. I was born in 1986 and I can remember having my picture taken for an Ident-a-kid I.D. card. I was also fingerprinted, weighed, and measured. And, this is when I was in Elementary School. This information was presented to my parents in the form of an I.D. card. There isn't any new information being given that hasn't been given before like in a hospital. This is just a convenient way for the parents to have their childs' information compiled in one place, so in the event that something does happen to the child, the parent can have quick info available for the authorities. The whole process is voluntary, you are not forced to participate.

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To be honest I still find it disturbing, given that it's not apt to help recover anything but a dead body, and the signal it sends, is one of fear and preparation for abduction of parent's children. Think it through. What does it serve? Very little. What message does it send? I mean like just how many freaks are really out there abducting children? We know about some of the high powered freaks who've been involved through things like the Franklin cover up, but just how likely is it that a parent's kid is going to be abducted? So why the big need for this? It's downright strange, and strange that Masons are so heavily involve in it - it makes no sense to me.
Everyone - bring out all your kids to the local Masonic lodge to have this ID kit prepared in case they are abducted..? WTF?@#(*@&$#*&!

Seems more like a case of mass conditioning, which individual masons are unwitting participants in.

And some research into the abduction case which led to the Amber Alert system might be in order here. Yes, something like that is helpful, but the backstory regarding the true source of many of these abductions is just creepy as it turns out most of them, which are not taken by family members, are not the victims of run of the mill pedophile freaks, but part of an actual network where many of the children are made into sex slaves for the wealthy and powerful.

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I understand your point of view, but i must respectfully disagree. I pray that no child is ever abducted, but the fact of the matter is that is does happen. And just because the child is abducted doesn't necessarily mean they will die. I feel that it is just better to be prepared, and I glad to see that some Brethren have taken an old idea a revived it. You only find it strange that these drives are held by Masons because you believe we are nefarious by nature. With that being said I am not here to convince you otherwise. If you do not agree with it do not partake.

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Let me put it in metaphysical terms Mr. instant 3 blue stars.

As a mason, you'd know something I would imagine about duality, of white and black, good and evil, yin and yang.

Like I said, the ACTUAL scope of the problem of child abduction, rape and murder in our society is probably so small (aside from the dark underword networks I mentioned), that the odds of a parent having their child taken by a lone freak are assuredly slimmer than winning the powerball lottery, being hit by lightning from a clear blue sky, or suffering from the cataclysmic destruction of a meteor impact.

And so, what this amounts to, in effect, is being involved in something at the "white" end of the spectrum, which is PROMOTING the whole concept of child abduction, rape and murder in the collective consciousness of our society. How necessary is that? What signal does it send? How truly helpful is it, REALLY? Think it through all the way, from every angle and perspective..

Masonichip - Prepare, for the abduction, rape and murder of your child today! ID kits are prepared and provided free of charge! Hot dogs and buns are also free!


"What you resist, persists."
~ Carl Jung



[edit on 26-5-2009 by OmegaPoint]

The instant three blue stars you got on your post simply means that this forum is rife with Masons who are quick to support their bretheren, that's all. When you see a post you like or agree with, you can give it blue stars, I'll give your post above one just for fun!