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"State what you think they are."
I don't know.
Best guess based on experience and data available? A consciousness that has been around as long if not much longer then we have. They are a manifestation of a something, that doesn't (as we do) depend on physical reality to "exist" in the classic sense. They *can* be real, but they don't have to be.
They do, however depend somewhat on us to manifest themselves as something we can perceive, and that perception is tailored to the individual perceiving it, and current cultural views.
I feel that they are an external force, but not so separated from us. They are as far away as distant galaxies and closer then we dared think, or for that matter, closer then we'd probably be comfortable with.
What are they here for? I don't know. It could be that they're trying to influence our minds to evolve, to suggest ideas, and evoke discussion that will change us.
Scary when we don't even know who they are.
The ETH is a comfortable theory, but it doesn't match the presented phenomena. This has become the common answer, the easiest scenario...however we are clearly not dealing with an easy enigma. This is one far more complex then it's given credit for. However, in the capitalist society, spacemen sell. I have no doubt, that what the public or media calls "top researchers", have been holding out on you. I know this for fact by the way, not hearsay. There is a "paranormal" aspect to the UFO that mainstream researchers won't address, because it becomes unpalatable to the consumer.
It's convoluted enough right? No need to add that high weirdness stuff to it all. The issue is the general public doesn't have an accurate portrayal of the UFO/alien phenomena...and has summarily adopted a theory that doesn't pass the filter of complexity.
Now, you get where we stand today, where the phenomena is shoved into a very earth-bound pedestrian answer and accepted out of hand because dammit...people want answers, right.
Talk to some of the elder researchers worth their salt. They'll tell you after 50 some odd years of study, this ain't about ETs. Few of them will admit it publicly, because they've built a reputation on an ETH platform. A platform of belief, not theory, that has yielded NO answers, NO physical proof, and no progression on answers. But it's yielded plenty of fakes and charlatans.
This phenomena has not become more explicit. It has remained elusive and on the edge of our perceptions. I would suggest that the true "alien" is SO alien it'll will make your jaw hit the floor. It's not to be marginalized.
That high strangeness issue no one addresses, is where at least better questions lay, if not a possibility of answers.
Lets look at one aspect: the shape and "design" of the "craft". Different aren't they? As varied as we are. And I would contend, because we help in some way to manifest them based on expectation and perception derived from current culture mindsets.
We are already being informed that Newtonian physics is in for serious revision. Reality existing based on the observer. We may have more to do with "reality" then we care to know. Everyone is so quick to dismiss the psychological - when perception, experience, and our very concept of reality...is ALL psychological.
So the question ultimately becomes for me, when we say "real", what do we mean. Exactly.
This is to me, where the solution to the UFO issue might be.
When the UFO reports continued at a steady pace, Hynek devoted some time to studying the reports and determined that some were deeply puzzling, even after considerable study. He once said, "As a scientist I must be mindful of the past; all too often it has happened that matters of great value to science were overlooked because the new phenomenon did not fit the accepted scientific outlook of the time."
Late in his life, Hynek was critical of the popular extraterrestrial hypothesis, and began expressing his doubts to theories that UFOs were physical spacecraft from other planets. As Hynek himself said in October 1976: "I have come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are 'nuts and bolts' spacecrafts from other worlds. There are just too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligences would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people. I think we must begin to re-examine the evidence. We must begin to look closer to home."
"If you object, I ask you to explain – quantitatively, not qualitatively – the reported phenomena of materialization and dematerialization, of shape changes, of the noiseless hovering in the earth's gravitational field, accelerations that – for an appreciable mass – require energy sources far beyond present capabilities – even theoretical capabilities, the well-known and often reported E-M (sc. electro-magnetic interference) effect, the psychic effects on recipients, including purported telepathic communications."
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Originally posted by Alter-Ego
To re-cap.. I do not believe that it is a matter of do UFO's exist.. there is just to much evidence that supports something anomalous is in our skies.. the real question we should be trying to answer as a group is "what are they?"
Originally posted by Alter-Ego
Unfortunately the vast majority of people who frequent this board are sold on the main stream convoluted "nuts and bolts" platform, and to further the frustrations.
Originally posted by Alter-Ego
I truly believe that it represents several of the above mentioned theories. To re-cap.. I do not believe that it is a matter of do UFO's exist.. there is just to much evidence that supports something anomalous is in our skies.. the real question we should be trying to answer as a group is "what are they?
Originally posted by krystalice
We will never be able to answer that question since there is a possibility that UFO's could potentially be of a spiritual form, physical like us or even mechanical form, transformers any one? As great as your idea sounds, I agree but I am afraid such qualitative research would last eminently and in the end we'd have famous books pertaining this subjective matter sorted into a philosophical book section. Therefore bring on the truth, there is only a minority that truly believe in the true UFO saga yet majority who claim they believe are probably just curious and nothing more, who else would not be curious since we are confined to this little despicable world we live in.