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Scientology trial due in France

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posted on May, 25 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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Scientology trial due in France


news.bbc.co.uk

The Church of Scientology is set to go on trial in France, accused of organised fraud.

The case centres on a complaint by a woman who says she was pressured into paying large sums of money after being offered a free personality test.

A lawyer for the church says it will fight the charges and deny that any mental manipulation took place.

France regards the organisation as a sect, and correspondents say it could be banned if it loses the case.
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posted on May, 25 2009 @ 05:35 AM
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They offer this free stress test everywhere and then they try to get you to buy a book..

they question you about the things that make you annoyed..

I am sick to death of this group and I seriously hope that France wins this case against them.

It will be a benchmark in which the rest of the world can afford some protection against cults such as this.

Liberty, Egality, Fraternity
Vive la France

news.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 06:47 AM
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As much as i like many hate Scientology with a passion, if this cult is able to be banned whats to stop the PTB outlawing other cults such as christianty and islam. The ramifications of this one action could determine the slaughter of the freedoms we at ATS value so dearly.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Elemensa
As much as i like many hate Scientology with a passion, if this cult is able to be banned whats to stop the PTB outlawing other cults such as christianty and islam.


Thats a very good question.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 06:53 AM
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Scientology is a very dangerous cult. People who join them are very weak minded and insecure. Knowledge (from within) is essential to prevent manipulation of our mind. Religions or cults ultimately manipulate and dominate the minds of their subjects.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 06:57 AM
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All religion is a crock of $#*%, and they all make fraudulent claims, so I don't see what the big deal is. As far as I'm concerned, this is par for the course.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 07:03 AM
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Most religions don’t require you to pay ridiculous amounts of money to "advance" or "be more spiritual" - unlike Scientology. With scientology the more you pay, the more you "advance".

Yes, most religions welcome money, but you don't need to pay a certain amount of money before you can read certain parts of the Bible or the Koran.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gaspode
reply to post by Kaytagg
 


Most religions don’t require you to pay ridiculous amounts of money to "advance" or "be more spiritual" - unlike Scientology. With scientology the more you pay, the more you "advance".

Yes, most religions welcome money, but you don't need to pay a certain amount of money before you can read certain parts of the Bible or the Koran.


Indeed! This is the crux of the issue! Enlightenment comes only to those with deep pockets and self esteem issues. Apparently all you need is a couple of hundred thousand to become an Operating Thetan.

This is a cash fraud if ever there was one!

IRM


[edit on 25/5/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 07:29 AM
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The difference is that the the three major religions don't require you to pay a substantial amount of your earnings to the church, undergo mandatory brainwashing, blackmail members with sexual or drug-related secrets, and maintain a private police force to threaten members who attempt to leave. Scientology also makes a tremendous amount of tax-free money selling privately published and licensed books and movies, whereas other denominations buy from commercial publishing houses.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 07:42 AM
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In Hubbard's book Battleground Earth, aliens conquer Earth by spraying it with chemtrails....


Fascinating...



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by Extralien
Liberty, Egality, Fraternity
Vive la France


Right on dude.


Here in France they are going to get their just desserts, people here aren't as gullible as some, especially when it comes to rediculous groups like the scientologists who specialise in manipulative techniques to get victims.

Religion should be FREE and they are proving that they are no more than an organised syndicate out to make a buck (or euro).

Let's hope the French courts see a win for this lady and it paves the way to rid them from europe, then the USA and then off the planet. "beam them up scottie".

They do it to themselves...and WHAT was Tom Cruise thinking?



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 08:42 AM
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By all means i agree , my query is what will happen when a goverment outlaws one religion? Surely if this is succesfull any religion/cult that is thought to be dangerous to society will be shut down..

Im just worried about the freedoms of humanity.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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Freedom of humanity is not reality. We are slaves of this material world, wether we lilke it or not. The most important thing for us is to discover, on a personal level, why we are here, and what we need to know in order to ascend to higher levels of evolution, that does not involve any manipulation or influence of any kind imposed on our mind.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:09 AM
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Originally posted by Elemensa
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Im just worried about the freedoms of humanity.


Has any other religion/cult had a report like this one;

1.) Scientology is involved on a global level in more current civil and criminal litigation than any other organization using coercive mind control.

"Scientology is evil: its techniques are evil: its practice is a serious threat to the community, medically, morally, and socially; and its adherents are sadly deluded and often mentally ill .... (Scientology is) the world's largest organization of unqualified persons engaged in the practice of dangerous techniques which masquerade as mental therapy."

-- Justice Anderson, Supreme Court of Victoria, Australia.
"Report of the Board of Inquiry Into Scientology,' presented to both houses of Parliament, Victoria, Australia, 1965.

2.) Scientology appears to have been involved in more past civil and criminal litigation than any other organization using coercive mind control. Over me last forty years, total worldwide lawsuits certainly run in the thousands.

"The crime committed by these defendants is of a breadth and scope previously unheard of. No building, office, desk, or file was safe from their snooping and prying. No individual or organization was free from their despicable conspiratorial minds. The tools of their trade were miniature transmitters, lock picks, secret codes, forged credentials and any other device they found necessary to carry out their conspiratorial schemes."

-- U.S. federal prosecutor's memorandum to the judge urging stiff jail sentences for nine top leaden of Scientology who had pleaded guilty to burglaries, forgeries, infiltration, obstruction of justice, and other crimes against more than 100 U.S. Federal agencies, including the Dept. of Justice, the Dept. of Defense, and the IRS, in U.S. v. Heldt et al. 688 F.2d. 1238. (D.C. Cir 1980) Cert. Den. 456 U.S. 926 (1982).


8.) Scientology is at war with the outside world, as concerns "freedom of information" and the rights of a free press. Scientology spends the most money and is probably the most active organization using and defending coercive mind control. It engages in programs to "rewrite history" and suppress all information critical of its practices. By hiding its crimes and continuous abuses, Scientology tries to avoid necessary social awareness, censure, and punishment.
www.factnet.org...
I urge you to read the rest of the complaints and cases against scientology on that linked site.. it's a bit of a long list. I could quote from that site all day long....

France is not the only country against scientology either;

The interior ministers of Germany's 16 states have launched an investigation into the activities of the Church of Scientology, hoping to assemble the evidence to support banning the U.S.-based organization from operating in Germany.
www.time.com...

The Dutch protest started when Scientology raided XS4all over the Fishman Affidavit. Many providers and one user - me - ended up being sued by Scientology. This is a chronology of the events. For strictly legal matters, please refer to the Scientology litigation kit.
www.xs4all.nl...

Vendetta Against Scientology
berkeleylive.net...


[edit on 25-5-2009 by Extralien]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:14 AM
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My honest oppinion is all religion is disgusting and lie ridden. I think every religion and cult just tries to take control of the ignorant and weak minded, BUT who are we to cencor what can be practised and what cannot? I thought here at ATS we wanted complete freedom , i thought we wanted the goverments of the world to stay out of what we can and cannot do. And yet many of you are supporting the obliteration of something that gives many peoples lives meaning.

I think the threats of hell in christianity is just as bad as pressuring people out of there money. But who would i be to tell people what they can and cannot practise?



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Elemensa

By all means i agree , my query is what will happen when a goverment outlaws one religion?


IMHO, it can successfully be argued that Scientology is not a religion at all.

Here's some quotes from the horses mouth that may come back to haunt them!


"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is." - L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY." - L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384

"Let's sell these people a piece of blue sky." - L. Ron Hubbard to an associate in 1950, soon after the opening of the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation. (via Jon Atack, A PIECE OF BLUE SKY: SCIENTOLOGY, DIANETICS AND L. RON HUBBARD EXPOSED, Lyle Stuart/Carol Publishing Group. 1990)

"Scientology...is not a psycho-therapy nor a religion." - L. Ron Hubbard's "Creation of Human Ability" p251

Source


Your Honor... I rest my case!

IRM


[edit on 25/5/09 by InfaRedMan]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:21 AM
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lol good point my friend. But the point still stands that its dangerous to allow a goverment entitiy to decided what we practise in our life be it a religion or anything else.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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Agreed. Manipulation is everywhere, especially from goverments. I still say that freedom of the mind is the most important thing for all humans, on a personal level. We cannot free anothers mind without risking manipulation of that other mind.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 09:32 AM
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I's not the Governments that are the only ones who are against this.. it's the people themselves who are against scientology.

Many here stand up against our governments because of the restrictions and controls over us.. we will not have another group trying to do the same and bleed us dry of our hard earned wages as well as the government doing it too.

We've had enough of others telling us how to live, what to do, when to do it.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 10:47 AM
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excuse me if im being ignorant on this topic, but. wasn't freemasonry/knights templar order started in france and if true? wouldnt the french "system" be masonic oriented, thus sencing this scientology lot as a threat to their system,



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