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Originally posted by TheColdDragon
reply to post by SGTChas
Education is the enemy.
Secular Humanism is the Enemy.
So God is both against being smart and also against Humans being responsible to only themselves.
As a Christian, I must laugh at this.
Originally posted by SGTChas
Cold Dragon, I have patience for agnostics, atheist, Muslims, rabid anti-Christians and I even have patience for Baptist (sorry, loving Baptist joke), but claimed Christians that pervert the Word of God by claiming it says what it plainly does not, or claiming the Word does not say what it plainly does, I have no patience for – you have been ignored for sure now. Bloviate away.
Incidentally, Mathematics is a very weak argument to bring up as proof. Mathematical proofs can demonstrate everything, even things that are effectively impossible.
I could prove, with math, that you are entirely composed of beetles... so really, with a creative enough proof, you can discover all sorts of amazing things in the bible... which are only there because you made the math fit the situation."
Mathematics is self-consistant and concrete. It, above most any other science, is perfect; but that does not mean it cannot be abused for all sorts of things. Just because it stays self consistent doesn't mean that one particular proof isn't just proving nonsense.
Originally posted by nenothtu
In the writings of the Gnostics, it is evident that they took issue with the teachings of Christ as presented, and set about rewriting for themselves what he REALLY meant, in spite of the fact that they had no contact points with him. Sketchy business that, at best.
Regarding the Old Testament, the mere 'completion' of a thing doesn't automatically call for it to be discarded, like so much trash. He said He came to 'fulfill' the law. Laws are fulfilled every day, but they somehow never fall off the books for all of that. At no point, save perhaps in the Gnostic writings, did Jesus ever say that man was beyond the authority of God, and was an authority to himself, unanswerable to God.
"Love thy Enemy and turn the other cheek. Let he without sin cast the first stone. " and "to value his mercy and light" do not stand alone. To take these teachings out of context, and apply only them, to the exclusion of the rest, presents a skewed vision of the total person of Christ. All was, and is, not sweetness, light, and floating butterflies. Perhaps I do you a disservice, and am prepared to admit that you may not have explained your entire vision of the Christ. Love will only carry one so far, before the moneychangers must be driven from the temple by force. "Christ preached of unmitigated, total and unending forgiveness for all sins" is not a complete or correct statement.
Be that as it may, I'm not here to 'convert' you. There's not a 'missionary' bone in my body. Believe as you will, I have no problem with your determination of your own destiny. That's something we all will take up in due course with whomever we prove out to be answerable to. I do appreciate your taking the time to enlighten me as to your thoughts, however.