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I feel sorry for Generation Y

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posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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Also kids do still go outside and play lol.

Man I hear those loud kids outside my house daily up to all kinds of mischief, just like the old days I assume.

I'm 22 now, don't know where I fit, I grew up with internet and video games(but I also went out a lot, climbed trees etc) but I don't see how that's a bad thing really. hmmm.

I also think each generation has ALWAYS judged the next gen as if their own generation was better. e.g when rock and roll came out, the older generation judged the new generation for liking it, claiming bad influence etc. Then that generation grows up and they do the same with their kids.



[edit on 24-5-2009 by _Phoenix_]




posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:19 PM
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Then why is it gen. x has so many financial problems? Gen. y is not attached to the things they own, but rather it is communication and information they are attached to. Someone from gen. x might spend their money on a personal computer for business (so that they can earn more money to get more things that they think will make them happier), whereas someone from gen. y might be more likely to spend their money on a pc solely for social interaction. Gen. y isn't really attached to the actual stuff and would be more likely to go without something if it wasn't needed than a gen. x who defines want and need loosely.



posted on May, 24 2009 @ 11:48 PM
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Not that the Op was saying this but I have noticed that most people look down upon generation Y as if they brought it on themselves.

Has anyone really looked at the amount of change the world has gone through in the last 20 years?

what about growing up during a presidential sex scandal?

what about growing up in a world where hardcore sex acts were just a click away?

what about being 12-14 years old and watching the World Trade Centre fall to the ground, only to spend the next decade hearing that the government either planned it, or used it to help their agenda?

What about the fact that at the same time you learn about sex, you learn about one of the deadliest diseases known to man, and that the two are linked?

what about being 8 years old and finding out a sheep has been CLONED?

What about being one year away from high school and watching the Columbine coverage on the news?

what about hearing your government leaders actually condone torture?

what about a kid realizing that he can be more popular on Youtube with a guitar game than he can be on a stage with a real guitar?

what about finally being old enough to understand technology and then being told it was all going to self destruct in the year 2000?

Now most importantly, what about going through all these changes at the same time your parents are divorcing each other and they spend so much time fighting about who gets which t.v that they can't help you with your history homework.

Before anyone says "that's nothing, I lived through two wars, a pandemic and a depression." I want to point out that that sentiment has created this problem.
This idea that today's kids have it so easy has made an entire generation of ADULTS ignore their children and put their needs first. Has anyone noticed how truly lonely the youth of today are? The reason for the huge support of Obama and Hope is that this is a generation with no hope! They saw their parents marriages and relationships self explode, they saw their leaders dragged through the dirt and they were constantly told that they have it so easy.

It might look easy to some but, honestly, bolting together washing machines and working on a farm is Easy. This generation might not be able to do either of those tasks, but they have no training to do so. All they have been trained to do is consume and compete and that is hard work, it sure takes it's toll on ones soul.

On a side note, this generation has more potential than ANY generation to start a revolution. Might not seem like it but let me elaborate:

They have no true sense of history, and the sense they do have has been filtered through years of movies and television. They know people started revolutions, in some country, at some point in history and it must of worked, cause democracy reigns. And that's all they need to know. They have little concern for everyone telling them they can't change things, tell that to Bill Gates they say.

They use the internet to communicate in ways other generations could never fathom. One "Revolutionary Facebook Group" and you have millions of people ready to cut off heads and put 'em on sticks.

As previously mentioned, there is a naievity about how important their individual lives are: they truly believe they will change the world.

Little connection to family that could harness opposing views. Most gen Y'ers are more attached to their MSN buddies than they are to their .5 brother and their .5 parents.

And last but not least, they are desensitized to violence.

As easy as it is to write off this generation people must come to terms with the fact that they may be the very ones to SAVE the entire species, even if they don't deserve it.

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[edit on 24-5-2009 by coincidence_theorist]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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I'm a generation Xer or at least I was when this term first materialised.
Now that I am older, I'm now apparently part of the baby boomers.

I didn't realise these terms were based on a sliding scale.

Apparently as Generation Yers get older, they'll also eventually slide into Generation Xers and end up Baby Boomers, so maybe we shouldn't worry.


[edit on 25-5-2009 by Flighty]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 12:29 AM
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Originally posted by Flighty
I'm a generation Xer or at least I was when this term first materialised.
Now that I am older, I'm now apparently part of the baby boomers.

I didn't realise these terms were based on a sliding scale.

Apparently as Generation Yers get older, they'll also eventually slide into Generation Xers and end up Baby Boomers, so maybe we shouldn't worry.


[edit on 25-5-2009 by Flighty]


They do seem to change...one of the posters earlier in the thread identified himself as being age 21 and "on the cusp of gen X and gen Y." If you go by the way things were first defined, nobody under 30 is gen X.

Don't know exactly why these definitions change, but they do. The only firm demographic anchor in these is that the baby boom started immediately after WWII, so the earliest boomers are those born in '46. Because there really was a sharp difference, its easy to set that definition. With the later gen X and gen Y, its harder to draw a sharp line. Now you even have people tossing around terms like "gen 9-11" or "gen Z" or "the millenials."

Personally, I define gen Y as the children of the boomers. If your parent was a baby boomer or later, you = gen Y. If your parents were born before 1946, you = gen X.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 12:50 AM
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the hypocracy... the arrogance... *sigh*

WE are the self centered needy entitled digital 'kids' ...

And yet the world falling a part is a product of our parents.

Don't feel sorry for us, take a look at you're self and realize that passing the blame and the responcibilities onto others is a major reason we are in this position.

As I say, we learned from the masters of self gratification.



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by coincidence_theorist
The reason for the huge support of Obama and Hope is that this is a generation with no hope!


I'm not going to touch the rest of your post, for fear that all hell may break loose, but this is a very important sentence.

A generation of American citizens, for the most part, have no faith in the "American system/values/way-of-life." No faith. Patriotism is dead. *POOF* it's gone.

Shallow and pointless as it is; for many of the youngest adults in the USA, being the first nation to election a non-white minority as the head-of-state is the only positive thing that the country has done, in their memory.

Imagine if you only knew -- intellectually, and from first-hand experience -- the past eight-to-twelve years (I suspect that many of the ATSers reading this do not have to rely on their imagination -- first-hand experience trumps imagination).


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posted on May, 25 2009 @ 01:05 AM
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Now I'm confused.

From what I remember this whole Generation Whatever all started with Generation X who were the children of Baby Boomers.

The reason we were called X is because we were doing things totally different to generations before us.
We weren't getting married in our 20s, having 2.4 kids and weren't conforming to traditional life.

From what I recall , Xers were born from the early 60s until the mid 70s
and were the children of Boomers born in 40s and early 50s after WW2. Generation Yers (my son is a Yer who is 24 and born in 85) were born in mid 70s to mid 80s. With Yers being the children of Xers.

Of course, they ran out of alphabet letters as X wasn't supposed to be the beginning of a whole line of descriptives of following generations, otherwise they would have started at Generation A instead of X to give themselves more leverage.

X was coined to identify the generation who discarded traditions and began to live alternatively.

It seems the whole Generation (put alphabet letter here) terminology has been hijacked and it's meaning lost.
Probably the reason why it's now all so confusing as to who belongs to what generation.

Edit to add: Based on the above, I think the O.P might actually be referring to Generation Zers.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Flighty]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by Flighty
It seems the whole Generation (put alphabet letter here) terminology has been hijacked and it's meaning lost.
Probably the reason why it's now all so confusing as to who belongs to what generation.


There's a good book, Generation Me, that was written by a personality psychologist a few years back (2006, maybe?) which makes the case (based on personality tests) that there was a generational "change," among people born in the early/mid-70's up until the mid-90's (roughly). This is basically an attempt at scientifically identifying cultural/generational shifts. The interesting thing about it, is that many people who think they belong to Generation-X would actually fall into Generation Me (and also, Generation X may not really exist; or it existed within a narrow spectrum of time that you would have been a part of
).

Of course, the book was published right before the economy collapsed, when young adults were still being told that 50% of their income should go towards a mortgage. For this reason, and others, the case was made that this generation had it "tougher" than previous generations. Naturally, previous generations didn't think that this could be the case; so, the book was largely ignored. It's possibly the only book that has attempted to take a scientific approach to "Generation-blah" studies.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by theWCH]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:07 AM
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Will definately look for that book. Sounds like an interesting read


Also found this about Xers. This might also make it a bit easier to distinguish them from the Yers who come after.....


In the 1991 book Generations, William Strauss and Neil Howe call this generation the "13th Generation" and define the birth years as 1961 to 1981.
Using their methods, it is the 13th generation to know the flag of the United States (counting back to the peers of Benjamin Franklin).[6]
The label was also chosen because they consider it a "Reactive" or "Nomad" generation, composed of those who were children during a spiritual awakening.
Older generations generally have negative perceptions of Reactive generations -- whose members tend to be pragmatic and perceptive, savvy but amoral, more focused on money than on art[10] -- and the use of 13 is also intended to associate this perception with the negative connotations of that number.
The authors highlight this negative perception by noting the large number of "devil-child" movies (e.g. Rosemary's Baby[11]) released soon after the first members were born, compared with more positive movies such as Baby Boom that were released when the first members of the next generation were being raised.


and also...


Individuals considered to be within Generation X were born, and grew up during the later years of, and in the decade following the Cold War. They are most often linked to the presidencies of Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush.[13]
Coming of age after the Vietnam War had ended, their political experiences were shaped by the end of the cold war and the fall of the Berlin wall.
This generation saw the inception of the home computer, the rise of videogames, and the Internet as a tool for social and commercial purposes. Dot.com businesses, MTV, Grunge music, Hip hop culture, AIDS and Security moms are associated with this generation.


en.wikipedia.org...

I first heard the term years ago, could well have been around 1990 (19 years ago sounds about right according to the above article. It's been around for a long time)

Edited to add link.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by Flighty]



posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:36 AM
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Indeed. I'm 24, I know what you mean. There is very little personal responsibility in this country, from the top down and vice versa. Our parents were too busy living it up during the cold war because they thought they'd be vaporized any day. A general sense of gloom can do a lot of long term harm to a people.

Today I am seeing teenagers drunk and/or high when they should be in school, bumming spare change on the streets, having sex with people much older than they are, the list goes on. I don't know where the generations before us failed, and I don't know what the generations after us will see and achieve, but so far, I don't like it.

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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Flighty

Now I'm confused...


Everyone is, because there is no central command board that defines these things. They are media labels and tend to shift.

The first generation to get a name was the so-called "lost generation" back in the 20s...this was when Fitzgerald was writing the Great Gatsby and Orwell was "Down and out in Paris" and so on...this was pretty vaguely defined and mostly applied to a group of young (at the time) writiers and artists. You almost never hear that term anymore, unless you read specialist academic literature about that era.

The most well-defined is, as I noted, the baby boomers. After WWII, soldiers returned home and started having babies. There was a very sharp spike in the number of kids born -- the so-called "baby boom."

Later, in the 80s I think, Tom Brokaw coined the term "the Greatest Generation" for the people who fought WWII and survived the depression...the parents of the boomers. The idea was that these people had gone through all kinds of hardship and then spoiled their boomer kids rotten because they didn't want them to have to endure the sufferings they themselves had experienced.

Demographers usually say a generation is 20 or 25 years. If you go by this, the boomers (which for sure began in '46) ended by the mid-60s or maybe '71 at the latest. After that, you get Gen X. Most if not all gen X are NOT the kids of the boomers...the boomers are the big trend-setters and the Gen X are the kids born in the 70s and 80s who were sort of in the "shadow" of the boomers, culturally speaking, without their massive numbers and cultural torque. This is how the concept was originally explained...that's why they got the "gen X" label...X as in "the unknown" or "the shadow." (its also the name of a Billy Idol song).

This makes sense to me...I guess going by this, you'd have to say at least some of the younger Gen X were kids of the boomers, though, so I'm not sure. Gen Y is even more vaguely defined and slippery.... the name is just a riff on Gen X and while I intuitively think its a valid difference to note, the gen Y kids are still defining themselves so its too early to say for sure. As time has gone on, the popular usage of the labels has certainly shifted...again, there is no congressional ruling or even general consensus on this stuff, except for the fact that the boomers began to be born immediately after WWII in '46. Because generational labels are usually seen in a sour, pejorative light, people resist being labled, too, so this creates problems...people are always trying to "head fake" and make it seem like they are part of an older, more respectable generation than they really are.

I'm pretty sure that culturally speaking, nobody in their 20s is in Gen X. As for labels like Gen Z or whatever, I think its still to early to be pulling those out and dusting them off, unless you are talking about kids still in daipers today.





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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 08:58 PM
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Usually a lurker here and haven't signed in for a long time, but I thought I'd contribute based on my personal experience and the couple of years of marketing experience I had coming out of university.

According to what I knew back in 1998, members of Gen X were born between 1960 and roughly 1977 (some say 1965 to 1981.) This generation is very pop culture-savvy, wary of large corporations (ask the average 35-year old to part with his iPhone now however!), and all-told, very jaded.

Gen X suffered through at least one recession - early 80s and early 90s - and came to rely on their wits to make ends meet. They tend to not be loyal to employers and change jobs often. Thanks to this generation, college and indie rock went mainstream, and sub-cultures like punk (including skaters) and goth proliferated. (I think Generation X was the band Billy Idol was in before going solo.)

In the late 90s, Gen Y were in high school and the notion of the "tween" became popular. Both groups highly materialistic. Some Gen Y touchstones: Tommy Hilfiger, Britney Spears, Carson Daly, American Pie...

I tend to agree with 1960 as the start of Gen X if only because a relative of mine was born that year and she is most definitely Gen X. I was born in '74 and my sister in '76, and I have more in common with my relative than I do with my sister, who is very much a Gen Y in her outlook and life experience.

Strauss and his late co-author *do* note that demographic generations do not necessarily correspond to generational mindsets and philosophies (someone catch me for poor paraphrasing...it's been a few months since I heard Strauss' explanation on C2C.) I see evidence of this in a friend of mine who is 27 and is very Gen X, likely because she's in an LTR with an X.

As for the main topic, some Xers here might remembers preps and the materialism of the 80s. That quickly disappeared thanks to the recession of the early 90s. It was tough , people had to give up their Lacoste polo shirts and docksiders *snicker*, but they survived. I think Gen Y will come out of this stronger and perhaps more complex and creative than they would have otherwise.



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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 02:19 AM
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I just think its funny how everybody squirms and squeals about how they are different...nobody likes to be labeled, because it reminds them they aren't special wittle snowfwakes.

Thinking about why people (especially younger people) resist generational labling is kind of interesting in itself...is this itself a generational trend?



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 06:58 AM
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One thing I thought I knew for sure, and that was that I belonged to GEN X.

When I grew up in my teen's in the end of 1970's the punk music exploded on the music scene.

And I got hooked on Generation X, the Clash, and I saw Sex Pistols the first time when I was 12-13 and just loved the 'kick in the face lyrics' and the truth they delivered to the young people!

It was like a rebellion against big corporation record labels, who only produced chit music for the masses.

We were the anti-establishment youth, revolting against the rat-race and our baby-boomer parents and their corporated society

Billy Idol and his mate Tony James started the band Generation X 1976, and took the name from a novel book that belonged to Billy's mum.


Generation X is a 1965 165-page book on popular youth culture by Charles Hamblett and Jane Deverson. It contains interviews with teenagers who were part of the Mod subculture. It began as a series of interviews commissioned by Woman's Own magazine, where Deverson worked. The interviews detailed a culture of promiscuous and anti-establishment youth, and was seen as inappropriate for the magazine.[1]

Generation X, a band that Billy Idol formed in 1976, was named after the book


en.wikipedia.org...(1965_book)

en.wikipedia.org...(band)

Generation X was written 1965 and talked about the 1960's mods movement, and this makes me a little confused?

I'm 43 now and all my life I heard from society that I belonged to the rebellious & anti-establishment - Generation X *shrug!*

I guess there is a sliding definition of Generation X since the 1990's ?



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 07:38 AM
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This thread has certainly been an interesting read. I'm 37 so I'm technically a Gen Xer. There are a multitude of factors that have contributed to the problems of today's Gen Y population. Probably too many to list.

The downward slide certainly began with the widespread 24/7 availability of the internet. MSM quickly followed on the heals of the internet in regards to a general lowering of accepted standards of behavior in the media outlets.

The prime time shows slowly started pushing the limits and the PTB said it was o.k. MTV got into the act when they started the Reality TV craze with "The Real World" farce. MTV quickly saw $$ signs with that success and slowly started to pull away from music videos (BTW I fondly remember the days of VJ's on MTV and blocks of time with no programming at all. Bring back Martha Quinn, Alan Hunter and Mark Goodman). The over the top Reality TV boom soon followed and everyone had the sudden urge to know everything about everyone. The bottom line was greed at the expense of our nation who bought into it hook line and sinker.

Technology and 24/7 connectivity and availability have doomed us all. I miss the days when all I had was a pager and the option to call you back from the nearest land line. I now see Middle School aged kids trying to text and ride their bikes at the same time. BTW they should be watching out for distracted drivers doing the same thing from within their cars.

I guess I have ranted long enough and I don't really have any solutions to the problems of the current and future generations. The solution lies in the hands of our failing society. Society has to say enough is enough instead of give me more.

Perhaps a couple of years of hard times will do us all a little good.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:37 PM
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There are some things I disagree with you on (the rest I agree on).

One is the idea that kids today are all trying to rule the world (metaphorically speaking). Why is this bad? IMO, it only pushes kids to go into difficult careers, and to get them working harder.

The kids who think they will INHERIT the world are crazy though, and there are still a decent bit of them who need to be slapped in the face.

About getting dirty. Maybe not talking of actual farm work, but kids nowadays are getting jobs at the age of 15, 16, and 17. Washing dishes, bagging groceries, yard work, waitressing, all are essential to companies as a whole and sometimes can be very strenuous.

What I see coming is the destruction of the middle class as we know it. There will be the upper class, and the lower class. Hell, homes nowadays are only built giant.

There will be those with mediocre careers, making a decent living, and those who get good degrees, own a business, or be a part of something very corporate.

The skills expected from everyone are enough to crush many kids. I look at it this way though...less competition the better. I will bust my ass, and if the rest of my age group decides not to, so be it.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:02 AM
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im 18. there are many people in my generation who to me seem completely retarded, they have no idea what goes on around them..it disgusts me.

there are also many people that arent ignorant though.

dont worry bout us haha



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:44 AM
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Actually you just described pretty much every Baby Boomer.

Generation Y is defined by the fact we realize we're going to be shoveling boomer crap for the next 20 years.



posted on Jun, 5 2009 @ 01:53 AM
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