Originally posted by suzque66
I thought you said it is to prevent wasting time if a child is abducted? Thus, it is being sold as a preventive measure. A nanny state is more like having DNA in the hands of god-knows-who.

I never said it was preventative from the child BEING abducted. Quit twisting the words. A preventative measure would stop the child from being taken in the first place, this program doesn't do that.

Originally posted by suzque66
As I said, if you trust that, run with it. Take your kids in then.

Actually I do trust it, since I am the soon-to-be State Chairman for the Idaho Masonic CHIP. I am the one bringing it to Idaho. I wrote the manual on how we operate. I think I know a little bit more about this than you do.

I have not been blessed with children, but I have a nephew who I cherish and I processed him just yesterday.

Originally posted by suzque66
Well, the whole scene is implied to make Masons look like do-gooders. I have known quite a few ..doing good is the last thing on their minds.

What is the first thing on Mason's minds then? You would be wrong thinking we don't do good. My Lodge hands out a scholarship every year to a Senior in high school who will be going to college. I could name the various charities that Masons conduct, but you can look them up.

Originally posted by suzque66
Betterment according to whom? you?

Common sense. Medical researches, holiday charities, food donations, scholarships, free services (such as this program), and other miscellaneous events. To the rational thinking mind these events would be considered betterment.

Originally posted by suzque66
I am not wholely responsible for other's decisions to have children and risk leaving them unattended or in the hands of bad people. I chose to stick close to my brood.

So because the world cannot work near their kids and must trust that they will be safe they are bad parents? You have some strange expectations.

You should see: Child Abduction Is Not Funny episode of South Park.

Originally posted by suzque66
It is a societal problem.

Oh, I agree. The world is not perfect so programs like this do exist. It's not the Masons fault that children are abducted. They are just trying to help. You may condemn them, but it's a foolish act, IMO.

Originally posted by suzque66
Yes, I computer button. I get it. Is it as accurate as Bill Gate's Windows Programs...oh goodies. LOL.

Plus, if the information is never saved their can never be even a temp file saved to the temp folder.

Originally posted by suzque66
What have they NOT done?

So say it? Get it off your chest. Did they kick your dog?

Originally posted by suzque66
And what exactly have they done for anyone except the brotherhood really?

See above.

Originally posted by suzque66
If I believe it is a database-phishing scam, I have that right.

You can think the world is flat, but it doesn't make your opinion anymore sound or correct.

Originally posted by suzque66
Besides, not like they are doing it for charity really, no doubt whomever sponsors it gives the affiliated member's lodge a nice donation for their services

[buzzer]Oh, sorry, but you're incorrect.

Originally posted by suzque66
Yes I am jealous of two brother Masons who have nothing better to do than to gang up like a team of faceless, nameless schoolboys on the internet to defend their 'lodge' and it's ideals. LOL

I never said you were jealous. I gave other examples of irrational hatred.

Originally posted by suzque66
Sorry boys, not buying your Masonic infomercial nonsense. No thanks, I have a better class of friends who don't need a fort, secret handshake and a bat-cape to feel productive in society.

I didn't realize we were trying to pull the wool over your eyes? It's always good to have friends; especially those of like-minded people. Runespider spelled it out rather well.

You would have to tie me down until I get some sick form of Stockholm Syndrome before I have any adoration or enjoyment from a Mason.

Also, no internet words are going to convince me that the premise of the affiliation is anything but sinister. Perhaps lower echelon they have do-gooders, nice cover.

I would put all affiliated in the same grab-bag of gangsters and money launderers.

You are barking up the wrong tree in attempting to make any 'brother' look appealing to me.

Originally posted by KSigMason

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Glaringly obvious. Where does all this irrational hatred stem from?

Oh, but Augustus, you asked a rhetorical question. Irrationality doesn't need a source. Irrational: not consistent with or using reason, or lacking understanding.

Hatred towards the Craft often stems from jealousy, religious zealotry, misunderstanding, or confused by the words of others.

[edit on 24-5-2009 by KSigMason]

Oh yes you did imply I was 'jealous' lol.

"Then why exactly are you here????

Wheres my troll spray at..... "


Are you implying because I have a distaste for Masonry that I should not be here? Do you own this site?

I am a troll because I don't like Masons now? Wow, talk about grasping.

I am here for the same reason you are ...because I can. The day you pay my internet cable connection and buy the computer I use is the day you can tell me what sites I go to and what I say. Good way to censor me, but I don't take charity. LOL

I answered that on page 2

"and the church likely recieved a hefty donation also for allowing the use of their space/property and their assumed 'safety' because they are a fellowship of God."

Originally posted by suzque66
I answered that on page 2

"and the church likely recieved a hefty donation also for allowing the use of their space/property and their assumed 'safety' because they are a fellowship of God."

Your answer does not fly. It was put on by members of the Church. How do you give a kickback to yourself? Try reading links that I provide so your answers do not come across as ill-formed.

Not for anything but you also edited in your answer and did not indicate that in your response to me, rather disengenious.





[edit on 25-5-2009 by AugustusMasonicus]

You are grasping now.

The donation would serve the Pastor of such church and it's board members (hopefully some trickles down to the parishoners), but I hightly doubt that.

What next? now you will defend organized religion as being pure as the driven snow?

Of course I FEAR!! the mosters in my closet...they are all MASONS.

*evil laughter

[edit on 24-5-2009 by suzque66]

btw you said: "Their is no lower/higher-echelons. " that would be 'There not their

yet, didn't you say (scoll uppp) "Actually I do trust it, since I am the soon-to-be State Chairman for the Idaho Masonic CHIP. I am the one bringing it to Idaho. I wrote the manual on how we operate. I think I know a little bit more about this than you do."

yes, no echelons. Your credibility is toast now.

graspinggggg you are!

[edit on 25-5-2009 by suzque66]

"It seems to me that you have no interest in the topic at hand other than to bash it, and the people trying to have a conversation here. "

The questions I asked have no been answered without bias from internet Masons.

The conversation is what it is. It turned into me defending my distaste for Masonry. The topic began with my comment that the whole idea of this sensitive information in the hands of Masons.

If you followed along, you will notice that the topic turned to 'how great Masons are' brainwashing manuals/handbooks.

If you belong to any group long enough, you start to assimilate them and think they are God's gift to humanity because they sometimes are generous with luncheons with finger sammiches.

And in the spirit of trying to give you an answer you'll be satisfied with... We all eat babies, we all worship satan, and brotherly love, relief and truth are just a bumper sticker slogan. I'm checking out."

Do they supply the Pepto Bismal for those pesky ADHD kids? See. Even to joke like that, sick mind indeed.



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[edit on 25-5-2009 by suzque66]

Well first of all lets me say that this was inevitible... and i seriously mean that. Every civilization that has ever evolved goes through the same step in the application of technology and the social changes that result from it. Being able to identify and locate people is a natural desire that will be fullfilled. I bet your parents would love too see where you are right now.. not because they want to kill you with a gps guided self-propelled sniper bullet, but because they love and care about you and would like to be more a part of your life than they are now.

This technology could be used for sadistic purposes such as controlling gentetic advancement through selective depopulation, or even mood alteration for a ready and willing to die population at the flick of a switch. I cannot say that their are not humans on this planet who would like to do some of the aforementioned things, but what i can say to you without doubt in my mind is that there are no solar system faring civilization that are evil. There are no aliens looking to eat or steal your psycic energys. It is impossible for an immature society to control the amount of power needed.

If at the end you are in a camp rounded up by mindcontrolled children just remeber that in the evil aleins place.. you would have done the same thing in your ignorance.

Originally posted by suzque66
The conversation is what it is. It turned into me defending my distaste for Masonry. The topic began with my comment that the whole idea of this sensitive information in the hands of Masons.

I think the whole thread was a vehicle for you to air your distaste for Masonry as a method to appease your ego.

If you followed along, you will notice that the topic turned to 'how great Masons are' brainwashing manuals/handbooks.

Interspersed with your witty and inciteful rebuttals of; I hate Masons, I hate Masons and the ever-popular, I hate Masons.

If you belong to any group long enough, you start to assimilate them and think they are God's gift to humanity because they sometimes are generous with luncheons with finger sammiches.

It is a bit more then genorousity with finger-food but you would not acknowledge it any way, would you?



[edit on 25-5-2009 by AugustusMasonicus]

"I think the whole thread was a vehicle for you to air your distatse for Masonry as a method to appease your ego. "

Yes, I come online because I am so pitiful that I cannot join any lodges that hold my hand while we sing Kumbiyah.

I never said the word 'hate', you did, I said 'distaste'. I am not a fan of the affiliation as a whole.

Speaking of ego, I don't need 2, 3 or 5 other chapter brothers or sisters to come pat my back (online or off) nor come to my defense of any crap affiliation. I guess my ego is bigger than yours. I am quite capable of standing alone here while you have 'possey'. Yeah..I'd say my ego is more entact than perhaps yours. Thanks

*pats herself on the back. You enjoy your virtual brotherly handshakes.





[edit on 25-5-2009 by suzque66]

Originally posted by suzque66
Yes, I come online because I am so pitiful that I cannot join any lodges that hold my hand while we sing Kumbiyah.

If you say so...

I am not a fan of the affiliation as a whole.

I never would have guessed.

Speaking of ego, I don't need 2, 3 or 5 other chapter brothers or sisters to come pat my back (online or off) nor come to my defense of any crap affiliation. I guess my ego is bigger than yours. I am quite capable of standing alone here while you have 'possey'. Yeah..I'd say my ego is more entact than perhaps yours. Thanks

In that case, there is a wondeful debate forum here. Maybe we can adjourn there and discuss this one on one and have it judged by our Above Top Secret peers. You feel free to pick the anti-Masonic topic of your choice and hopefully you can bring more then your 'distasteful' opinion of Masonry as ammunition..

What debate forum? Do you live to debate only on Mason subjects? If so, talk about brainwashing.

Ah I checked, you only post on Freemason subjects. Seems somebody might need to expand his group of friends to those that are not just brothers. Honestly, try to have varied interests. Obsession with one affiliation cannot be very healthy. Maybe get back in touch with us 'commoners' once in a while.

Don't forget, the very children you are subjecting this to are going to be adults, adults who are bagged and tagged for whatever is in store.

When you are in diapers and your own grandchildren gather you up for being a burden to society..don't say Suz didn't warn ya!

[edit on 25-5-2009 by suzque66]