VC why are you such a angry person? You really should lighten up.

And this is a serious question... How did you come to all these ideas you have about masons? Did you have a bad experience with a mason so you choose to label all of us as "bad"?

Or are you just a incredibly paranoid cat who chooses to blame all problems on others?

How has freemasonry affected your life?


[edit on 10-9-2009 by jeasahtheseer]

Originally posted by KSigMason
Except that the people come to us so, yeah, we are are helping those that want to be helped.

Right, because anywhere and everywhere outside of a lodge is full of error and pollution. Freemasons are providing the CHIP because they know better than everybody else, even though they are using scientific techniques that were not invented inside the lodge. Last time I checked, Freemasonry was about teaching the secrets of stone-cutting and stone-setting, not taking DNA samples. The condescending attitude that Freemasonry instill into its members is appalling.

Originally posted by KSigMason
Except your research has to be wrong as our experience, what we see and do, is counter to your posts.

It must make you feel good, to tell someone else that they are wrong. I can just see you applying that good ol' Mason spirit in every moment of your waking life. Actually, on second thought, maybe Freemasonry is true, after all Albert Mackey said so in his Manual of the Lodge.

All the makings of a cult.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by KSigMason
Except that the people come to us so, yeah, we are are helping those that want to be helped.

Right, because anywhere and everywhere outside of a lodge is full of error and pollution.

WTF're you talking about?

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Freemasons are providing the CHIP.....

You really haven't been reading this thread, have you? It's been pointed out repeatedly over too many pages that the "ChIP" in MasoniChIP refers to Child Identification Program, not the RFID chip that conspiracy theorists would like you to believe.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
because they know better than everybody else, even though they are using scientific techniques that were not invented inside the lodge.

Last time I checked, NO scientific technique has ever been invented "inside the lodge"

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Last time I checked, Freemasonry was about teaching the secrets of stone-cutting and stone-setting, not taking DNA samples. The condescending attitude that Freemasonry instill into its members is appalling.

That would be operative Masonry. But then again, you knew that. Speculative Masonry is about helping men be of greater use to themselves, their families and society at large. MasoniChIP is but one example of Masons helping out in some small way.

The only condescension I detect in this thread emanates from your posts. You're very equal-opportunity that way.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by KSigMason
Except your research has to be wrong as our experience, what we see and do, is counter to your posts.

It must make you feel good, to tell someone else that they are wrong.

No. Just you. There's a certain satisfaction in addressing one who is so resolutely and consistently wrong.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I can just see you applying that good ol' Mason spirit in every moment of your waking life.

We try to be of utility to society as a whole (even you).

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Right, because anywhere and everywhere outside of a lodge is full of error and pollution.

WTF're you talking about?

Yet another Freemasonry supporter who doesn't know the secret.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Freemasons are providing the CHIP.....

You really haven't been reading this thread, have you? It's been pointed out repeatedly over too many pages that the "ChIP" in MasoniChIP refers to Child Identification Program, not the RFID chip that conspiracy theorists would like you to believe.

When did I ever say RFID chip?

Saying "conspiracy theorists like you" is an ad-hominem attack.

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
because they know better than everybody else, even though they are using scientific techniques that were not invented inside the lodge.

Last time I checked, NO scientific technique has ever been invented "inside the lodge"

Exactly, so where do they get the authority to tell you and me that a CHIP is the best way to recover lost children?

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Last time I checked, Freemasonry was about teaching the secrets of stone-cutting and stone-setting, not taking DNA samples. The condescending attitude that Freemasonry instill into its members is appalling.

That would be operative Masonry. But then again, you knew that. Speculative Masonry is about helping men be of greater use to themselves, their families and society at large. MasoniChIP is but one example of Masons helping out in some small way.

The only condescension I detect in this thread emanates from your posts. You're very equal-opportunity that way.

Look up the word "speculative" and come back

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

Originally posted by KSigMason
Except your research has to be wrong as our experience, what we see and do, is counter to your posts.

It must make you feel good, to tell someone else that they are wrong.

No. Just you. There's a certain satisfaction in addressing one who is so resolutely and consistently wrong.

Sadistic tendencies ...

Originally posted by Fitzgibbon

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I can just see you applying that good ol' Mason spirit in every moment of your waking life.

We try to be of utility to society as a whole (even you).

You're a human being, not a monkey-wrench. Keep that in mind.

[edit on 9/16/09 by scooterstrats]

You know, it is the sort of bovine fecal matter spread by the original poster that has brought me to reconsider some of the fundamentals of American-style Freemasonry. We have spent far too much time and far too many resources trying to do good for those who are not our members.

Perhaps Freemasons should return to taking care of our own and simply withdraw our millions of dollars and millions of hours of volunteer effort from a profane world that neither appreciates our efforts nor respects our Institution.

Charity is important, of course. But we can do plenty of good taking care of our own members and their families without putting up with this kind of petty sniping.

Originally posted by driley
Charity is important, of course. But we can do plenty of good taking care of our own members and their families without putting up with this kind of petty sniping.

Bear in mind that the anti-Mason conspiracist such as vcwxvwligen is such a miniscule percentage of the population at large that to even consider turning inward (which goes against the duties that Masons undertake) is to do harm to the real life reputation of the fraternity in the eyes of the far-more-numerous non-conspiracist non-members.

Posters such as vcwxvwligen demonstrate their true colours daily and the thoughtful mind will see that in a heartbeat.

BL, R & T

Originally posted by driley
You know, it is the sort of bovine fecal matter spread by the original poster that has brought me to reconsider some of the fundamentals of American-style Freemasonry. We have spent far too much time and far too many resources trying to do good for those who are not our members.

Perhaps Freemasons should return to taking care of our own and simply withdraw our millions of dollars and millions of hours of volunteer effort from a profane world that neither appreciates our efforts nor respects our Institution.

Charity is important, of course. But we can do plenty of good taking care of our own members and their families without putting up with this kind of petty sniping.

Bravo driley ! The more we do, the more we are attacked. Think how grand the fraternity could be if resources weren't wasted on ingrates ! But i must add that by no means should charity be left out as it violates what we stand for. But hey, some lodges really need help for themselves to survive ! Not every lodge has surplus funds, many scrape by.

[edit on 9/16/09 by scooterstrats]