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Freemasons - Another child fingerprinting scam/fair

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus


For what it is worth, I was at this lodge for the event as my lodge will be sponsoring a similar program in the fall.

I think anyone who has an issue with this type of program should attend one and speak with the parents who are extremely grateful with the assistance that is prtovided to them at no charge.


Freemasonry WAS a good thing back in the 1700's, BEFORE Albert Pike turned it into a Satanic Cult. Some people know all about the Masonic bullcrap out there. I mess with the lodge down the street all the time. I post information AGAINST masonry on all telephone poles for all to see, they are only up a few days but the message gets out. Masonry has RUINED this country. There can be no arguement about that, it is a fact. Texx Marrs has published so many books on the subject. I would like to visit his library some day if he would let people.

If you are a mason and doubt what I say, read these books; "Founding Fathers, Secret Societies" by Robert Hieronimus, Ph.D., "Letters on Freemasonry" by John Quincy Adams, "Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare" by Michael A. Hoffman II, "Blood on the Altar" by Craig Heimbichner, "The Synagogue of Satan" by Andrew Harrington Hitchcock and there are so many more that expose what Masonry is really all about.

Most children who are abducted are for sacrificial purposes by these idiots. John Walsh's son was one of them, just look at the mutilated body. They do this for "their " magick. And yes it is very idiotic what they "believe" in.

Look at all the symbolism and numerology they use to conjure spirits and demons? What do you think that new Tom Hanks movie is about for pete's sake?

Sadly most Masons never make it to the higher degrees and are just happy to be a part of the "good ole boys club", hanging out at the "lodge" eating baloney sandwiches and playing cards and drinking beer. They NEVER do any good for the community that I know of. It's all a scam for control, sad really when you know the truth of the matter.

And yes, I have been inside a lodge and seen all the decore and I do have the little black book, "13 King Solomon and His Followers A Valuable AID TO THE MEMORY" that is on the inside cover in case you think I am full of it. If one of you could give me the code to decypher it that would be greatly appreciated. My Father-in-Law was a 9th degree mason, tried to get me to join. I told him where to shove it.

Edit: Blatant insult removed.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by intrepid]




posted on May, 29 2009 @ 01:30 PM
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Wow, you are really full of anger. Your post is full of known and previously discussed hoaxes and common misconceptions. Is really a shame, you possibly could have learned a lot about Masonry through your father. It's fine for you to not agree with Masonry, But to go as far as wishing us all dead is a little extreme don't you think?



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by daddio


In my opinion the only good freemason is a dead freemason.




You quote Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, George Washington and Andrew Jackson as the 'fearsome foursome' on your profile, yet all of these men were Freemasons and made incredible contributions to humanity and to our nation.

I agree that Freemasonry of today bears little resemblance to it's former self, but in many ways it is better. While we were at the heart of political revolutions in France and America, we no longer are able to effect political change or religious dogma because we have discovered that politics and religion are great dividers of men and create disharmony.

No true mason will tell another person how he or she should believe or place himself above any other person. Those who would corrupt or co-opt masonry for personal gains have missed the entire point.

Every single word of Masonic ritual (ALL of them) have been published on the Internet for all to see. The "secrets" we are accused of hiding are actually truths that are available for all of humanity.

Above all, true Freemasons seek to help others and that is the intent of the child ID program, as well as all our other programs like Shriner's Hospitals for Children and Coins for Kids.

We are not super-human and we possess no knowledge or power than any other human.

I can't stand here and say "All Masons are Good Men" nor can I say "All Good Men are Masons". But I do believe with all my heart that the vast majority of my brothers are good men, honest men and good citizens.

Unfortunately it has become politically and socially acceptable to ridicule and defame us without restraint because we are 'easy targets'.

At any rate the child ID program (the topic of this thread) is only one of many charity programs we offer. I encourage anyone who has any hint of a doubt about this program to do the research for yourself. If you have doubts, then don't participate.

I would even encourage you to scream it from the rooftops if you believe it is an evil and nefarious scheme. That's why ATS is such a great place for conspiracies, it is a huge audience.

Finally, the statement "the only good mason is a dead mason" is actually hilarously ironic. I'm sure my brothers who think about it for a minute will get a chuckle as well, because for us death is not the end - it is the next chapter in a beautiful existence, and THAT is the true secret of masonry.

We only get a few short years in this physical existence. In my opinion it is incumbent on ALL of us to love, help and support each other during our short lifetimes.



posted on May, 29 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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Nevermind, don't wanna get into this.

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posted on May, 29 2009 @ 11:39 PM
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wow...i just mean.....wow......did you really just...i don't even.....

I guess the only advice for you sir is to LURK MOAR....please. You can make up such huge claims and opinions on the existence of a Freemason. Have you read any previous posts or threads on Masonry on ATS? You will see that what you talk about have been considered hoaxes along with irrelevance and nonsense.


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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 12:21 AM
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Thomas Jefferson WAS NOT a Mason, there is no evidence he was ever involved. It has been assumed he was because of his writings, but no one has been able to show on any ledger where he was part of a Lodge. Franklin was as was Washington but Jackson was not either. Again, no verifyable proof from any lodge.

I am no idiot to this subject. I have researched it quite fully. Again, those who are of the lesser degrees will obviously make comments about how "good" masonry is but they have no clue because they never get into the higher degrees and NEVER research outside the lodge "teachings", which I think is the really sad part.

Sad really you alleged masons don't know any better. Do you have any idea the kind of murdering, treasonous crackpot that Albert Pike was, founder of the KKK, are you really that dumb as to be associated with these kinds of morons? And then brag about it? Please, be real.

The only "spirit" one can conjure up is obviously of the evil type if it is at all possible, which I do not believe to be so, having studied physics. That in itself is a crock. Chants and demonic rituals? Come on, lets be real here. I do not "need" to belong to a "Lodge" to know that I am a good and honest person.

I was taught at a young age the difference betwen right and wrong and I am sorry but Masons are wrong and bad for freedom and this country, wake up already. It's all part of the Illuminati plan for slavery and Marxist government, it starts as socialism and continues down that path to utter destruction of the sovereign individual right of being.

So you are wasting your time and ours on this bull. I stand by what I stated earlier. And I also know for a fact that most AMERICANS would agree with me. Like I said, Masonry in the 1700's was and is very different than today, thanks to Mr. Pike and his idiotic idea of world domination.

I also love the "skullduggery", using the skull as Hitler did as a symbol, can't think of what it is actually called at the moment as I am laughing about this whole load of crap.

What causes Cancer... it is oxygen deprevation, ozonated water and Colloidal Silver cures ALL cancers. The Pharmacutical Companies make billions off of Chemo treatments that acually kill people. They don't want people to know the truth. A lot of people have cured themselves of AIDS and cancer using that treatment, ozonated water and Silver.

Shriners, yea right. I could go into that but it's a waste of my time.

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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:12 AM
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Franklin was as was Washington but Jackson was not either. Again, no verifyable proof from any lodge.


Andrew Jackson, 7th President, 1829 - 1837 Harmony Lodge No. 1, Nashville, Tennessee, an Honorary Member of Federal Lodge No. 1, F. & A.M., Washington, D.C., and Jackson Lodge No. 1, F. & A.M., Tallahassee, Florida. In 1822 and 1823 he served as the Grand Master of Masons in Tennessee.


www.calodges.org...



Do you have any idea the kind of murdering, treasonous crackpot that Albert Pike was, founder of the KKK, are you really that dumb as to be associated with these kinds of morons?


The founders of the Klu Klux Klan were John C. Lester, John B. Kennedy, James R. Crowe, Frank O. McCord, Richard R. Reed, and J. Calvin Jones.
Besides which, the modern Klan didn't exist until well after Pike was dead.


Have you made any attempt to read any of Pike's work, or for that matter even get your hands on the Scottish Rite rituals in order to find anything Satanic?

The only thing that stated Pike was a Satanist, and not a Presbyterian was the Taxil Hoax, which has been thoroughly debunked for over a century.

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posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by daddio
Franklin was as was Washington but Jackson was not either. Again, no verifyable proof from any lodge.


Andrew Jackson, 7th President, 1829 - 1837 Harmony Lodge No. 1, Nashville, Tennessee, an Honorary Member of Federal Lodge No. 1, F. & A.M., Washington, D.C., and Jackson Lodge No. 1, F. & A.M., Tallahassee, Florida. In 1822 and 1823 he served as the Grand Master of Masons in Tennessee
www.calodges.org...



Do you have any idea the kind of murdering, treasonous crackpot that Albert Pike was, founder of the KKK, are you really that dumb as to be associated with these kinds of morons?
Albert Pike did not found the KKK


Like I said, Masonry in the 1700's was and is very different than today, thanks to Mr. Pike and his idiotic idea of world domination.
Taxil Hoax?


What causes Cancer... it is oxygen deprevation, ozonated water and Colloidal Silver cures ALL cancers. The Pharmacutical Companies make billions off of Chemo treatments that acually kill people. They don't want people to know the truth. A lot of people have cured themselves of AIDS and cancer using that treatment, ozonated water and Silver.
Stompk? Is that you?



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:29 AM
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Oi, now someone'll start thinkin' I'm you, posted near on the exact same thing.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by RuneSpider
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Oi, now someone'll start thinkin' I'm you, posted near on the exact same thing.
Either that or someone'll start figurin' out how to use Google...



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Either that or someone'll start figurin' out how to use Google...


Actually, I think that's part of the problem, most of the search results encourage this point of view.
It's almost as hard as trying to look up Lemuria or Mu.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by suzque66
The onus was on you apparently, and nothing so far has proven me wrong in my opinion.

See in all circles of debate the burden of responsibility falls on the one who makes the accusation and you have posted nothing that shows the slightest impropriety by the Masonic CHIP.

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So bickering is bad, but this post was allowed to stay? You have shown us that you have little knowledge of the Craft. As for the Tom Hank's movie...that is about an attack on the Catholic church from the Illuminati...not the Freemasons. 9th degree? Wow, so either he's an over achiever in the Blue Lodge and made up some extra degrees or he didn't even get a 1/3 of the way through the Scottish Rite.

Yes, yes, all the various Masonic charities don't do anything for the community.

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There is no proof that Albert Pike founded or was ever a member of the KKK. Nice try.

Last time I checked Freemasons believed in religious tolerance, being a good citizen, father/husband/brother, and being involved in the community.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 03:46 AM
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The onus is on you son, I claim that 'Your' organization is crap that is paid donation or partial taxpayer funds to do events that the police couldn't or wouldn't do because of lack of trust. Disprove via slander that this is not true.

This thread is done because until 1. one mason comes forward or 2. a child in 2020 returns from the future to tell us that he was exploited by the very system that should freak you/us out comes forward. Hitler's victims did not have the ability nor the evidence at the time to know of the horrid and muderous events, ...does that make it any less relevent today??

Don't forget, I am not the only enemy of freemason society, I just may be the only one this week that dares to threaten not to mention the only one this week that gives a sh*t.

Imagine how obnoxious I would be if my kids were young enough for this program!! I'd be the biggest thorn in your a$$ that your brothern has seen in a lifetime---in person


There are likely a few thousand people that dislike your organization (which is not directly identified here at ATS? are they? is ATS directly identifying themselves with/associated with the Freemason Society of ANY state??), if so then I would be subjected to coming to a FREEMASON site to cause any sort of verbal malice subject to slander.

In that case, I would surely invite Masons, the Administration/ownership of ATS to become involved in any suit called forth between myself, and either of the previous mentioned parties on the topic of slander.

Copies have been made of all public postings of the current posters that claim official and unofficial Mason affiliation since their joining this website., some of each consisting of 19 occasions of their mention/admittance of being of Mason administration. Of the 4645 claimed occurances of the combined posters of this thread's 'claimed' Masons, 837 combined postings are of interest of possible online intimidation tactics.

I am willing to risk my words/wording vs any ATS Mason anytime/day legally, and ATS even by proxy must and will be involved.

I will not be involved nor the victim of any online intimidiation by any means, I will ESPECIALLY not be involved in any website that allow this to occur.

I come here for a hobby, it seems that certain groups of Masons come here for a specific and horrific reason. Not for me to decide, I am not a judge, but disinformation (authorized or not) seems to be a pattern here.


*I would like to add that any proclaimed mason that mentioned hint of intimidation/inclination of intimidation towards me or mention of my childred on this thread is copied and noted for further use of notice.







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[edit on 30-5-2009 by suzque66]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 04:34 AM
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Really it's not like they can implement some type of mind control via finger print channeling, I mean really what's the greatest evil that could be done with this information anyway. I think people are trying to skew this in the same direction as the flu vaccinations; the only difference is that the vaccination argument holds some reasonability. Unless they're swabbing the kids with some type of new potent virus I don't see how this could be used against the population.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 04:50 AM
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As a lurker for 2 yrs before joining this site I was intrigued by the well educated people posting and with the facts to back up a post,when I read posts such as this I find it sad that such dribble is going on,please post facts not speculation,motto of this site was deny ignorance,why do some feel they shouldn't heed these words,I guess it's now become a race for points,never let facts get in the way of a good story



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by suzque66
The onus is on you son, I claim that 'Your' organization is crap that is paid donation or partial taxpayer funds to do events that the police couldn't or wouldn't do because of lack of trust. Disprove via slander that this is not true.


It's up to you to prove your point not Masons to disprove a negative. To give you an idea of why that is, I "claim" that you are a pale pink snake. Disprove it! Do you understand why that's equally a non-starter?

And how about providing some backup to your "taxpayer funds" assertion as well as explaining how it is by your claim that Masons are more trustworthy than the police?


Originally posted by suzque66
This thread is done because until 1. one mason comes forward or 2. a child in 2020 returns from the future to tell us that he was exploited by the very system that should freak you/us out comes forward.


Uh huh........right.


Numerous Masons have addressed your screed with facts and even suggested you attend a MasoniChIP and see for yourself what's going on as opposed to relying on Alex Jones for your information. As for point 2, well just
Interesting type of 'proof' you expect.


Originally posted by suzque66
Hitler's victims did not have the ability nor the evidence at the time to know of the horrid and muderous events, ...does that make it any less relevent today??


And that's relevant to MasoniChIP exactly how?


Originally posted by suzque66
Don't forget, I am not the only enemy of freemason society, I just may be the only one this week that dares to threaten not to mention the only one this week that gives a sh*t.


Fine. You're an enemy of Freemasonry. Thrilling. You also seem to have a persecution complex as if Masons contradicting your 'opinion' with facts is tantamount to 'ganging up'. Sorry to burst your bubble on that front.


Originally posted by suzque66
Imagine how obnoxious I would be if my kids were young enough for this program!! I'd be the biggest thorn in your a$$ that your brothern has seen in a lifetime---in person


You're already there.


Originally posted by suzque66
There are likely a few thousand people that dislike your organization (which is not directly identified here at ATS? are they?


You'd have to ask the mods but so far as I've seen, no group is directly identified on ATS. Individuals may self-identify in the manner that the Masons who've taken the time to address you have. But that's a matter of personal preference.


Originally posted by suzque66
is ATS directly identifying themselves with/associated with the Freemason Society of ANY state??), if so then I would be subjected to coming to a FREEMASON site to cause any sort of verbal malice subject to slander.


That's funny. I'm sure Skeptic Overlord would greatly appreciate your sense of humour.


Originally posted by suzque66
In that case, I would surely invite Masons, the Administration/ownership of ATS to become involved in any suit called forth between myself, and either of the previous mentioned parties on the topic of slander.


That would be called a waste of time and resources.


Originally posted by suzque66
Copies have been made of all public postings of the current posters that claim official and unofficial Mason affiliation since their joining this website., some of each consisting of 19 occasions of their mention/admittance of being of Mason administration. Of the 4645 claimed occurances of the combined posters of this thread's 'claimed' Masons, 837 combined postings are of interest of possible online intimidation tactics.


Interesting statistics. I hope your solicitor concurs.


Originally posted by suzque66
I am willing to risk my words/wording vs any ATS Mason anytime/day legally, and ATS even by proxy must and will be involved.

I will not be involved nor the victim of any online intimidiation by any means, I will ESPECIALLY not be involved in any website that allow this to occur.


Disagreement is not slander nor is it intimidation to a reasonable person.


Originally posted by suzque66
I come here for a hobby, it seems that certain groups of Masons come here for a specific and horrific reason. Not for me to decide, I am not a judge, but disinformation (authorized or not) seems to be a pattern here.


Correcting ill-founded misconceptions can hardly be qualified as "specific and horrific".


Originally posted by suzque66
*I would like to add that any proclaimed mason that mentioned hint of intimidation/inclination of intimidation towards me or mention of my childred on this thread is copied and noted for further use of notice.




The mind boggles.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 08:47 AM
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I'm sensing a mass amount of Troll's on ATS now in the Secret Society threads. Pretty sad. I think they are writing these posts to get attention and get us agitated. Once again, i can't believe the close mindedness in some of the people that make these claims upon the fraternity of Freemasonry. Sometimes i wish they were as open-minded as they first where when they read some of this info on masonry and decide "hey, this is one view point, lets research it and see if is valid and sound". I think we would have less of this shenanigans if more people would not become immediately persuaded by the first thing that they read.



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 09:06 AM
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Just a point of order - Hitler murdered 80,000 Freemasons and outlawed the Fraternity.

Also -- I think I always 'assumed' Thomas Jefferson was a Mason, but daddio may be right.

Finally -- It seems really wrong to say this, but I am actually enjoying the secret society troll revival. This place has been a snoozefest since LLM was banned. I miss that guy!



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by emsed1
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Just a point of order - Hitler murdered 80,000 Freemasons and outlawed the Fraternity.

Also -- I think I always 'assumed' Thomas Jefferson was a Mason, but daddio may be right.

Finally -- It seems really wrong to say this, but I am actually enjoying the secret society troll revival. This place has been a snoozefest since LLM was banned. I miss that guy!



www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...


1831 Guiseppi Mazzini 33° Founder of Italian Freemasonry. Revolutionary Terrorist Leader. Sicilian Gangster. Mafia Founder. Confirmed Mason. Took over for Adam Weishaupt's Illuminati. America's Subversion The Enemy Within. Chapter Supplement: Treason Giuseppi Mazzini was in close communication with the Confederate General, Albert Pike, who was the head of the Illuminati in the United States.


www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...




In the heart of Washington, D.C., there is a large statue and monument honoring the most important founder of the Ku Klux Klan. Inscribed on the base of the statue are the words, ``poet''--the terrorist anthem of the KKK was his most famous literary work--and ``jurist''--he was called the KKK's chief judiciary officer, and reputedly wrote the organization manual for the terrorist anti-black movement after the U.S. Civil War.
The immense, bearded figure of Confederate General Albert Pike is looming over a public square in the nation's capital. Why has it never been pulled down in that predominantly black city? The statue is a tribute to the influence of Pike's organization. It has power in the Executive Branch, and the Congress, and it is decisive in the courts. It has great power in all branches of law enforcement and the military. Do I mean that the Ku Klux Klan has such sway over the government? No, I'm speaking here of the ``Scottish Rite of Freemasonry Southern Jurisdiction,'' of which Pike was the chief, or ``Sovereign Grand Commander.'' The Ku Klux Klan, the Southern Confederacy, and the pre-Civil War secession movement were a single, continuous project, with Pike's ``Scottish Rite'' at its center. Though the Confederacy was defeated, this project lives on today, and now dominates U.S. political life.




I believe NONE of what I read and half of what I see. My father taught me to investigate and research the writers and where they got their information, so don't lecture me that I do not "know" what is going on. I do know how to use the "all seeing eye". I also know how to use common sense and deductive reasoning as a result of years in Law School at the U of M in Minn.

I have also read most of the religious texts from around the world, fascinating really, everyone should spend more time reading and using their imagination and common sense.

And I do find it hilarious, some of the comments here. Who is more ignorant, one who makes claims for their "club" or one who points out potential faults that the clubmembers themselves were duped into "believing"?

Please wipe the suds from your ears, the brainwashing is over.

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[edit on 30-5-2009 by daddio]



posted on May, 30 2009 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by daddio
I believe NONE of what I read and half of what I see. My father taught me to investigate and research the writers and where they got their information, so don't lecture me that I do not "know" what is going on.
So can you tell me where the Pike/Mazzini correspondence is? Because nobody who quotes it can produce the actual letters. There's no evidence that they ever existed, yet here you are quoting them...



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