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The New Great Game

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posted on May, 28 2009 @ 04:33 PM
We will counter India's AWACS with 500 US missiles: Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has voiced concern over the acquisition of Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) aircraft by India and said it would counter the threat by inducting 500 American Beyond Visual Range (BVR) missiles.

- That would be part of Israeli-Indian plan, would it?

Ecuador will shut US base, expand Iran ties

Ecuadorian Defense Minister Javier Ponce Cevallos says his country is going beyond the Cold War rules and seeking defense ties with Iran.

In a snub to US complaints, Ponce said, "we have our own policies, our own geostrategic positions, and what interests us, with Iran for instance, is boosting information technology and our national defense strategies," he told a radio channel in Ecuador.

[edit on 28-5-2009 by JanusFIN]

posted on May, 28 2009 @ 08:05 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

And the game rolls on.

US 'considering Colombia base'

The US is removing its military capacity from Ecuador to Colombia after Quito refused to renew a deal to let US forces remain in the country.

US Ambassador to Colombia William Brownfield made no secret on Monday that his country was considering to base its Ecuador Manta forces in a new location in Colombia.

“I am not going to deny that we are talking about this possibility,” Brownfield said adding the move will secure Washington-Bogota cooperation.

posted on May, 28 2009 @ 09:44 PM

US and Russian warships line up in dispute over Georgia

US and Russian warships took up positions in the Black Sea today in a risky war of nerves on opposing sides of the Georgia conflict.

With the Russians effectively controlling Georgia's main naval base of Poti, Moscow also dispatched the Moskva missile cruiser and two smaller craft on "peacekeeping" duties at the port of Sukhumi on the coast of Abkhazia, the breakaway region that the Kremlin recognised as independent yesterday.

The Americans, wary of escalating an already fraught situation, cancelled the scheduled docking in Poti of the US Coast Guard vessel, the Dallas, and instead sent it to the southern Georgian-controlled port of Batumi, 200km (124 miles) from the Russian ships, where it delivered humanitarian aid.

"Let's hope we don't see any direct confrontation," said Dmitri Peskov, the spokesman for the Russian prime minister, Vladimir Putin, as the Russians challenged the US policy of using military aircraft and ships to deliver relief supplies

I posted this in Janus thread on Korea thinking it was this one.

This looks scary.

edit...upon second look this is older 2008...sorry

[edit on 28-5-2009 by whiteraven]

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 01:11 AM
Interesting articles and news today it seems that many of these nations are massing against The US and China and forming alliances of their own.I don't think this speaks well for all those one-world believers when you have various factions going at each other it sets the stage for a return to feudalism.

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 04:40 AM

"Let's hope we don't see any direct confrontation,"

Ahahaahaa, if it comes to that, then it's all sealed up!

So, what we have is an indirect confrontation right now, and when it comes to direct confrontation, the price of hope will plummet

People, don't invest in hope!

Many cards are still kept in sleeves. But weapons are on the table.

There is God no more to pray to him, all we have is Aliens to save the day of the innocent bystanders.

It strikes me that this supposed confrontation is still about oil. As if there isn't any new source of energy, and perhaps there is such new source of energy available, only it's difficult to be taxed, because it's cheap. So they will go to this extent and simulate a new World War just because of that? To preserve the paradigm of "exchange" instead of the new paradigm of "sharing"!

How can people whose job and purpose of life is to feel threatened at all times think of anything else?

The idea/emotion of being threatened must be preserved.

Death is a Threat.

It seems that the only real threat to them is the truth about what is the cause for their behavior. This truth must be outlawed, at all cost, even at the cost of the World War.

The new means of waging war, like electronics, chemistry, biochemistry, genetics, although already employed, are still incomparable to the conventional cut and burn methods.

While China is spending everything on acquiring copper mines around the world, new technology of carbon-nano-tubes is in development. Those CNT will replace copper and all existing conductors very soon, and China will be left with obsolete heavy metal conductors which efficiency cannot be compared to the new nano technology.

Perhaps this is why oil is still so important, only for a little different purpose, as the main source of carbon needed for CNT production. Perhaps the "carbon tax" is about this new technology, rather than for ecology and simply profit? It's about monopoly...

CNT technology can be miniaturized to be practically invisible. The Internet as we know it will cease from existing, because all communications will be changed to CNT wiring, which will enable existence of many independent and practically invisible networks.

What I see from the PTB is fear of these new technologies. They desperately need them to establish advantage, but at the same time, this new technology will be so easy to slip from their hands, just like Internet slipped and offered so much to the people for free.

The agenda of the Great New Conflict is more about the internal crisis of the dominating system of oppression than about confrontation between the mayor powers of this kind.

[edit on 29-5-2009 by DangerDeath]

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 04:46 AM

Originally posted by mike dangerously
Interesting articles and news today it seems that many of these nations are massing against The US and China and forming alliances of their own.I don't think this speaks well for all those one-world believers when you have various factions going at each other it sets the stage for a return to feudalism.

The idea of feudalism is still alive. It exists among the elite who are too lazy to learn and comprehend new technologies and want to simplify things. When, instead of educated politicians you have rude gangsters who don't care much about the finesse.

The NWO politicians hope technology will give them advantage and are trying to make everyone use these technologies which will ensure their dominance because of the expertise they possess.

It all depends on how they are going to resolve the present economic crisis, which is obviously about switching to different means of classifying data on population and regulating the flow of energy within the new system.

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 05:10 AM
A new thread:

Iran official accuses US over mosque bomb

Jalal Sayah, deputy governor of Sistan-Baluchestan province, said three people had been arrested following the attack. "According to the information we obtained they were hired by America and the agents of arrogance," he said.

Who did what, we'll never know. But terrorism is obviously the mostly used weapon nowadays... Now that they have successfully established the idea of covert terrorist sources of violence.

It is a common accusation from the Iranians, the BBC's Jon Leyne in Tehran says, and the facts of this case may never be known.

But it is an open secret that former US President George W Bush directed large amounts of money to try to destabilise Iran and there is no sign the policy is any different under President Barack Obama, our correspondent adds.

[edit on 29-5-2009 by DangerDeath]

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 10:57 AM
Analysis: Can Obama deliver on the Middle East?

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has a problem.

Something has changed in Washington. This new US President, Barack Obama, is unlike any that an Israeli leader has faced before.

Certainly he shares Washington's traditional concerns for Israel's security. But his election victory marked a defeat for the neo-conservative Right and the Christian fundamentalists, the ideological camps that have provided the backbone of uncritical support for Israel over recent years.

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:18 PM

Would not propaganda media not be a (large) part of the puzzle.

I am referring to so-called news agencies that are more like mouth pieces for the government. is a classic example.
The onion, yes people do still quote it

Let us also include Radio and TV as well as print/internet.

Are the two talking heads telling the truth, in any language/country???

swaying public opinion is vital to implementing government policy, especially if it is , lets say questionable.

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 06:43 PM
All emotional and ideological reactions are conditioned. Nothing is left to accident. There are many ways to trigger certain reactions. The most priced reaction in these matters is indifference.

posted on May, 29 2009 @ 07:27 PM
reply to post by mrmonsoon

I agree all forms of media can be used by anybody to try and smear the real news. That's why I try to look to various sources for the same story and I also look at both sides of an argument. Usually the real truth is somewhere in the middle.

posted on May, 30 2009 @ 02:40 PM
I may be wrong, but I see much of the US antagonism with Israel as a form of posturing rather than a political distancing. The US is somewhat fatigued with the Palestinian issue. It benefits no one in the West if the Palestinians have what they want or not.

It becomes a rallying point and excuse for the Muslim world to be intractable and hostile to the West. Hand over Israel to the Arabs and nothing changes very much.

The US, Britain, and begrudgingly Europe, Russia, China, are not happy with the tribal warfare games that go on year after year among the Muslim countries that account for so much of the oil and gas reserves in a fuel hungry world.

Catholic and Protestant countries learned to co-operate in mutual self-interest after hundreds of years of conflict, and the Middle East will have to work out a better dynamic among Sunni and Shiite regimes. Let them beat each other at the success game rather than tribal warfare.

The West has quietly decided the Middle East has to come to terms with industrialization, trade and commerce, freedom and rights for it's citizens. We may argue it is not up to us to tell them how to run their shows. But I think looking at how they are faring it is apparent that things do not work in a way that benefits many beyond despotic leaders and their chosen elite.

Israel is not perfect, but they do have a working model for how a country can be run with some level of participation and rights for all.

In the upcoming upheavals in the Middle East I think their importance will increase. They are not on the sidelines trying to influence change, they are in the field.

The oil will continue to be pumped and sold, no matter who is in charge. But the subversion of such vast revenues to fight among each other, against Israel, against the West, at the expense of improved qualities of life for the hundred of millions of Muslims held hostage by tribal or religious despotic leadership needs to be brought to an end.


posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:53 AM
As I have posted in another thread I think someone is employing a strategy of tension against Iran perhaps in the entire region.The game is truly afoot

[edit on 023131p://5426 by mike dangerously]

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 04:55 AM

Originally posted by mike dangerously
As I have posted in another thread I think someone is employing a strategy of tension against Iran perhaps in the entire region.The game is truly afoot

Don't remember now if I said this here or on another thread.

The Iran thing gets into another gear with North Korea doing their tests this week. Iran not only gets it's know how from NK technically, they watch to see how far one can go snubbing the UN and US and get away with it. Iran has gotten the green light you can push things to the limit and all they do is sanction you.

The US and Israel with Britain and the rest fo Europe in the rear, are psyching Iran out, big time.

They want the mullahs alternately overconfident, scared, angry, and subsequently less cool headed. It's working.

Iran is going nuts with oil prices below a break even point for their inflated militarizing and empire expanding. They are on the verge of nuclear capability but it's not happening fast enough to make a difference yet.

Elections are coming up fast and the people will try to put in someone more moderate. But the real power is not in who the people choose but who counts the ballots. We'll see how that goes.

Iran is too proud and too far down the road to back down on anything major.

The Israel threatening thing hasn't gotten them any perceptible backing beyond the Muslim man in the street seeing them as sympathetic.

The Islamic Revolution as reaching a crescendo. It goes to the next stage or goes into decline.

A pity for the Iranian people. Most are young, most want to just get on with life, not fulfill some Koranic interpretation destiny fulfillment. few really want to die for an abstract concept.

Iran could pull in their claws, drop the rhetoric and empire-building and just act like an oil rich country trying to upgrade it's standard of living. For some reason the mullah regime and Mr A don't see that as a viable option.

So the tension escalates. Russia claims they are prepared to back up Iran. But they don't want to be drawn into something against the US and NATO really. China sits and watches.

The odds are on the least rational most volatile, most emotion driven player
making a regrettable misstep.

Maybe, just maybe, they'll come to their senses and just lay low. So far little to indicate that's about to happen.


posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:00 AM
My opinion is that North Korea-Myanmar-Taiwan will be 2nd front, Georgia-Kazakstan-Pakistan 3rd front - And Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon will be main battlefield... WW3 is coming in 3 weeks, between 20.6. - 4.7. begins greatest game ever.

I really hope I am wrong!

Israel begins major drill, preparing for regional war

Israel has launched its largest-ever military exercise to test its capabilities against potential missile attacks, bombings and riots.

Over the past few months, Israel has been busy making plans for fresh confrontation in the Middle East. The drill is widely believed to be in line with the regime's preparation for a possible attack on Iran's nuclear facilities which they admit can ignite an all-out war in the region.

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:00 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

A hunch or calculation?
China and Russia in the middle of armed forces reform.
USA as the whole world in heavy economic crisis.
Near-East stagnating by all means.
NATO pushing towards East (lets remember that almost all attempts to conquer East from West failed). History goes from East to West.
Eastern Europe bankrupt, big problem for EU. Many might flip over to Russia, especially Ukraine.
Pakistan already fighting "internal enemy".
Israel too ready.
Iran distracted by elections. Divided from inside?

If there is a major war, it is going to be hell of a confusion!

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 02:36 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

Abbas in Jordan to update Arabs on U.S. trip

Abbas told reporters that the United States maintained that every party, both Palestinians and Israelis, has to carry out what the first clause of the Road Map asks them to do, in order to pave the way for launching the peace process.

He affirmed that Palestinians would carry out their part of the bargain, but the Israelis should also live up to their obligations, mainly halting settlement expansion, including natural growth

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 06:33 PM
Some interesting news concerning "The Great Game" from Mom Russia...

Putin warned of new gas crisis June 7

In his address to Europe, published on his official website, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin warned, that Kiev might not be able to cope with the financial difficulties it is facing until June 7, the final date for the payment of Ukraine’s gas debt.

Russia creates its own version of NATO in Central Asia to be prepared for big war

The Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) follows the instructions from President Dmitry Medvedev, who ordered to increase the military constituent and develop the coalition force development. A strong military group, which may appear in Central Asia in the nearest future, will make the CSTO become an analogue of NATO.

Russia ready to build nuclear power plant in Azerbaijan Republic

... And from Middle East,

Muslims want more than fine talk from Obama

To win their minds, skeptical after a "war on terror" waged by his predecessor George W. Bush that many saw as an assault on Islam, Obama must follow his speech to the Muslim world this week with evidence of real change in U.S. policy and outlook.

US will pay dearly for Zahedan bombing: Larijani

Iran Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani holds the US responsible for the deadly bomb attack at a Shia mosque in Zahedan, which killed 25 people.

Larijani said that the US has long had contacts with Jundullah, the terrorist group that has claimed responsibility for the Thursday attack, reported Fars News Agency.

Terrorists in Swat using American and Indian made weapons

Israel's "Doomsday Scenario" military exercises

Microsoft cuts IM service to five 'hostile' nations

[edit on 31-5-2009 by JanusFIN]

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 07:35 PM
Just tossed this article up on the Breaking News forum:

In Pakistan, an exodus that is beyond biblical

The language was already biblical; now the scale of what is happening matches it. The exodus of people forced from their homes in Pakistan's Swat Valley and elsewhere in the country's north-west may be as high as 2.4 million, aid officials say. Around the world, only a handful of war-spoiled countries – Sudan, Iraq, Colombia – have larger numbers of internal refugees. The speed of the displacement at its height – up to 85,000 people a day – was matched only during the 1994 genocide in Rwanda. This is now one of the biggest sudden refugee crises the world has ever seen.

More at source:

How can this not end badly? Pakistan is now effectively a nuclear-armed failed state full of millions of angry, poverty-stricken homless refugees whose homes and communities have been bombed into extinction. Its corrupt government is tottering and staffed with those who speak words of solidarity with the West while harboring Islamist sympathies. Do the math.

posted on May, 31 2009 @ 08:06 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

Here is a slightly older report but I thought it was worth posting it gives a little background on the present situation.

U.S. power, influence will decline in future, report says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A government report released Thursday paints an alarming picture of an unstable future for international relations defined by waning American influence, a fragmentation of political power and intensifying struggles for increasingly scarce natural resources.
The report aims to better inform policymakers, starting with the administration of President-elect Barack Obama .

The report, "Global Trends 2025: A Transformed World," was drafted by the National Intelligence Council to better inform U.S. policymakers -- starting with the incoming administration of President-elect Barack Obama -- about the factors most likely to shape major international trends and conflicts through the year 2025.

"Although the United States is likely to remain the single most powerful actor, the United States' relative strength -- even in the military realm -- will decline and U.S. leverage will become more constrained," says the report, which is the fourth in a series from the Intelligence Council.

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