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The New Great Game

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posted on May, 25 2009 @ 01:27 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Now look at what developed out of the weekend conference with Pakistan and Afghanistan in Iran...

Iran, Pakistan finalize gas exports deal: Qashqavi
Tehran, May 25, IRNA – The Foreign Ministry spokesman said Monday that a gas deal was finalized by Iranian and Pakistani presidents here on the sidelines of a tripartite summit which was held with the participation of their counterpart from Afghanistan.

Hassan Qashqavi made the remarks at his weekly press briefing while referring to
the trilateral summit held on Sunday by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan on major regional issues.

The gas deal was finalized by President Ahmadinejad and President Zardari on the sidelines of the tripartite summit which ended by issuing a 25-article joint statement dubbed as the "Tehran Statment."

Qashqavi told reporters although the gas deal was made between Iran and Pakistan, any third country, including India, could also join the agreement.

So here we see a step by Iran to reduce the tensions between Pakistan and India by offering the Indians the chance to by Iranian Gas at the same cheap price it will sell it to Pakistan?

Very interesting.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 01:47 PM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

I saw this one coming. I posted yet another thread on it just a few days ago. I thought this bit here was rather interesting.
Afghan, Pakistani, Iranian Presidents Meet in Tehran

The leaders of Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan have agreed to open their future meetings to other parties, which could include the United States. The tri-partite summit was held in Tehran.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:08 PM
Excellent work on pacing together this thread !!

One reason that the U.S might not be satisfied with these " tribal " regions within Afghanistan could be partly related to the I.M.F .

When Afghanistan was first invaded and there government was set in place the IMF wasn't far behind . They offered money and support to the new government of Afghanistan as a hole . There by requiring there hole country to be accountable to the funds that were becoming available .

As a result these tribal regions will also have to be brought under control of the central government .

Once the IMF made there appearance in Afghanistan the fait of the " tribal " regions was set .

Its not just a matter of driving the Taliban out now that big money has gotten into the mix the goal will inevitably become one of uniting the country under a sustainable central government .

Just a few months after the invasion of Afghanistan I posted a report about the IMF and the arraignment that they had made with the newly formed Afghan government , which I can't seem to find now
. When I posted the story it went unnoticed , I think there was a total of 2 replies ? Either way we are a long way from this matter being solved . And the end wont come by simply defeating the Taliban .

I would like to see if these tribal regions in the north of Pakistan are just that , tribal regions that are sympathetic to the needs of the Taliban , driven by there distaste of the U.S and the Pak. government or if they are in fact die hard Taliban fighters ? Lets not forget that this region of Pak. has been under tribal control for some time now , not just the last couple of years .

Great thread Slayer69 !!

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:10 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Nice find , this news doesn't surprise me either . This region , if lost to the west as Iran might fear would leave Iran surrounded .

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:14 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

Pakistan is a joke, which is evident from their lack of being able to control their internal insurgency. Three factors cause India to stop fighting Pakistan, International pressure which would also lead to fueling terrorists from the Islamic world, Civil wars within India owing to the fact that there are many muslims in India and of course last but not the least "The Great Dragon" China....

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:31 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

I was thinking something like that with sending it in for the video contest. I think a lot of people would like to see something on this in the video format. I would work on something for it, but I simply don't have the software needed for it.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:32 PM

For the less familiar with the region

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 02:44 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Good work in here OP... I spend a day at work - and "day of unknown" took my attention directly to Korean Peninsula, when I got here... Its all about the nukes again. Like we can read from Irans statement which belongs to this Middle Asian game thread - "Great Game":

Iran's Ahmadinejad rejects Western nuclear proposal

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Monday rejected a Western proposal for it to "freeze" its nuclear work in return for no new sanctions and ruled out any talks with major powers on the issue.

Sovereign country does as they wish... But - This new test gives whole another tone to all discussions about fighting against all possible nuke countries... This new nuke test will pressure Iran to the edge, and fast.

This North Korean act came like order from those, who keep war mongering up against "Iranian Threat" ... Just like from order!

[edit on 25-5-2009 by JanusFIN]

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:24 PM
reply to post by JanusFIN

Very good find. I like this bit here. same source.
I don't think the "Debate" At the UN will ever happen. But you never know stranger things have happened.

Breaking with past U.S. policy of shunning direct talks with Iran, Obama's administration last month said it would join nuclear discussions with Tehran from now on.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:24 PM
It doesn't matter. Israel will do what it wants and West will support it without question, maybe some fuss on the Internet.

The objective, right now, I think, is to create as much chaos to flood the media and people so everyone will want any kind of action to bring order to the region. It is a very simple solution justified by the pressure of emotional surge. I don't think the powers need some elaborate ideology to do what they want to do. The whole region, especially Pakistan, is unstable and vultures are already circling in flocks (fleets around Aden) and some have already landed and there is a civil war, Kosovo-like, in Pakistan already. (Sri Lanka got away with its own Kosovo, unpunished, for now.)

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:28 PM
We will continue to have hot wars.
The cold war had its hot streaks.

After Russia fell and we or the Illuminati or US State run policy
still try to pick off Russian states to side with us instead of
working with neighboring countries.

Check the official work from Connie Rice on the steeling of
gas to be sent to Europe nation, not one word only words
to the effect the Russia is a bully and we defend the independent

Sorry no links if not familiar with the situation cause there might
not be any.

Iran and neighboring countries might be in similar situations.
That is being picked on by the State policy.

China is too busy making products as well as south Korea and
other countries to offend us in any with a so called power play.

As long as countries have guns and a power base we will blunder
in as bigger blunderers deal us in. But they asked for it by firing
first being only nature and will go on until the bad guys get
a whole lot more than guns or lose their supply.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:37 PM
reply to post by SLAYER69

Thanks for the map and this great thread and all those who are contributing to it. It's good to read all this information in one place. I know there is so much more going on behind the scenes that the media does not tell us about. But it's time consuming doing all this research on your own (while I am supposed to be working!!)

starred & flagged

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 03:50 PM

not to derail your post, but another idea occured to me...

Perhaps the current new game is that between Iran/Syria and Israel.

Game of missiles/rockets/nuclear weapons and their development/terrorist lapdogs/land and most important in the area..."WATER".

I agree this is probably a reply for a different post, but it so much occurs to me to be the current game.

that or the nuclear game with little kimmy/China/Russia/US/S.K. .....

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 04:12 PM
reply to post by mrmonsoon

No actually you're right it IS part of the same game. Every power is in there using their influences on the smaller nations in a giant game of chess. Positioning supporters and trying to counter the others moves.
For example these stories here.

Kyrgyzstan shuts U.S. air base

Kyrgyzstan's parliament voted on Thursday to close the last remaining U.S. air base in Central Asia, dealing a blow to U.S. efforts to use the region as a jumping-off point for its growing campaign in Afghanistan.

IAF's base in Tajikistan

NEW DELHI: India's first-ever military outpost on foreign soil, located at Farkhor, about 10 km outside Tajikistan's capital Dushanbe, is ready to become operational by this year-end, without any fanfare.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 04:41 PM
Thank you for inviting me to the thread SLAYER.
There is a great misunderstanding about politics and international interest in the Middle East and Eurasia. Many people see the countries as gun toting idiots who love to fight and fight some more. The truth is rather hard to come by in the United States as the media has become a polarizing force in the citizen's view of the outside world.

I would like to stress that these countries are not idiots, they are just as smart if not smarter than the United States. They have their own cultures and religions and every decision they make is made to benefit their country and citizens.

While the US media enjoys labeling these countries and their politicians as radicals. The truth is that can not be farther from it. These countries see our own country as radical. Be it a good radical or bad. We are just different. Being different, we have a hard time understand each other and we never sit back to look from each other's point of view.

Of course I am stating this as a civilian. I am no politician. I look around me and see people who have no idea what they are talking about. They do not take the time to research these people, countries and religions. This also goes for many of our political leaders.

The Great Game has returned, it is obvious. Countries are vying for the natural resources in these places without the care for who they hurt. Each individual country has its own reasons as to why. For the United States I have to say we have the most horrible reason. A farse we call the War On Terror. I wont go into it more, as that brings up many more topics than this thread needs.

I wish that everyone here on ATS would read this thread and gain a greater understanding of the complex politics and relations between the countries in that region.

The last video is very insightful and worth watching the whole thing.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 05:39 PM
reply to post by spec_ops_wannabe

I'm working on a video format right now. It's seems pretty daunting I'll see what I come out with and then ask for opinions.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 06:45 PM
I wanted to remind people of this thread from a few weeks ago

Kazakhstan - The Most Important Country on Earth?

Meanwhile India and China opens up a massive market for western branded goods like ipods, Intel and AMD powered laptops.

How much money are all these countries spending on defence with western powers and also China and Russia?

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 07:14 PM
This day is full of interesting news from "Great Game". What I will share with thread is...

NATO says Georgia will join as maneuvers are held

NATO said Monday that Georgia will eventually become a member — reaffirming its support for the country with which it is hosting joint military exercises, to Russia's dismay.

Robert Simmons, NATO's special envoy to the Caucasus and Central Asia, refused to set a date for Georgia's entry into the military alliance, saying that would be futile.

- Taking Georgia in is worst what NATO can do towards Russia now - we can expect some chess moves any day soon from SCO because of this announcement by Robert Simmons.

Senior Muslim Cleric Assassinated in South Russian Dagestan

- We can expect civil unrest in that region soon, maybe larger Russian military movements?

Also India-Israel pacts are moving to action with latest US pacts announced:

Arms deal underway, first Israeli Phalcon lands in India

Indian military receives first of three airborne warning and control systems (AWACS) purchased from Israeli Aerospace Industries for $1.1 billion.

Lets look to Iranian situation;

Tehran proud to support Hamas, Hezbollah

Nukes 'politically retarded', says Ahmadinejad

- I have try to find official condemnation from Iran about latest North Korean nukes - But I just cant - and still looking for it... Is that strange?

Iran president urges expansion of ties with Pakistan

Iran Army well-prepared to thwart threats: Commander

- And Iranian Navy is moving out to the sea...

But what is the tone in Israel today about Iran? - after North Korean nuke test - Whoa!!!

Bibi: 'If Israel doesn't remove Iranian threat, no one will'

Netanyahu is preparing the people

'Israel will face terror, missiles in future war'

PM to Likud: Don't take focus off Iran

No question who is starting a war soon? ... But what is the timetable?

- Coming Bilderberg meeting in Israel 15 th june
- Next week Bibi goes again Washington because of Iran
- After week sirens will cause whole Israel to gather to bomb shelters, large drills for war are coming...
- SCO meeting taking place 15th june in Russia, Iranian president is invited.

My opinion and expectation is that all out Iranian War (WW3) will be coming between 20.-30.6. with all information on table today. US involved before and officially 4th of July.

[edit on 25-5-2009 by JanusFIN]

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 08:00 PM
I still had to include these updates here...

Maariv: Lebanon Election Results Could Legitimize Israeli Action

- Something to remember in Great Game Timetable too: Lebanon 7th elections!

China warns Federal Reserve over 'printing money'

- Obama said the other day: "We have run out of money" ... China didnt like the noice of money printing mashines... In my ears, "Time is running out from world peace!"

India Playing With Fire by Supporting TTP Terrorists

While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan.

“The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan,” a former intelligence official who served in both countries said. “The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there.”

- This source is questionable, but same rumor from India highly involved in Pakistani situation is coming from many sources... Still waiting to confirm, but when it does - nuclear war is not far from being true - and Iran will get their highly needed ally in war against US-Israel-India axis.

posted on May, 25 2009 @ 08:30 PM
Interesting story that I came across which might prove related as time goes on

"Updated at: 0029 PST, Tuesday, May 26, 2009
NEW DELHI: India on Monday took delivery of its first Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) plane, as part of a deal with Israel worth more than one billion dollars, officials said.

The delivery is seen as part of India's quest for air dominance over archrival Pakistan as well as a milestone in growing military ties with Israel.

"India is one of the few countries to have inducted the AWACS in their air forces," Indian air force spokesman wing commander T.K. Singha said as the AWACS plane escorted by fighter jets landed at an airbase in western India.

The plane equipped with the sophisticated Phalcon early warning radar surveillance system is the first of three units that Israel Aerospace Industries agreed to sell to India as part of a 2004 deal.

"The remaining two are expected to be inducted into the Indian air force by 2010," Singha said. The AWACS involves mounting surveillance equipment on the top of Russian Ilyushin-76 aircraft.

The Phalcon AWACS can simultaneously track nearly 250 flying objects within a radius of 800 kilometres (500 miles) and also has a "look-down" capability allowing it to monitor movements on the ground or at sea, officials say.

The planes will especially be used to reinforce maritime security in the wake of last year's Mumbai attacks, in which 165 people were killed, the air force official said. The attackers reached the Indian financial hub by sea.

The planes will also provide a deterrent to any threat from China on India's eastern frontier, defence officials say.

Israel replaced France in 2007 as India's second-largest arms supplier after Russia and is likely to grab the number one slot through a vast array of defence agreements it has already signed with New Delhi."

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