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posted on May, 27 2009 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
I think it should be remembered that all this Nazi UFO stuff "came to light" only after the Adamski story. So rather than Adamski seeing a supposedly Nazi UFO, it's probably much more likely that some inventive hoaxers took the Adamski ball and ran with it. They reverse engineered a history of Nazi UFOs to further glorify the wonderful Nazis and their superhuman genius, for obvious reasons.

Think about it. The Nazis were fanatical about documenting practically everything they did, from concentration camps to wonder weapons. That's one of the reasons it was so easy to convict them of war crimes. They documented everything. So why is it that the only available "evidence" of Nazi UFOs are a few blurry photos that look like cardboard cut-outs, and some stray sketches of saucers that may or may not be original and could have been fabricated at any time? Really? We have photos and drawings of everything else.

Sorry. Even by the standards of the day, Adamski's images are generally lousy (particularly the "mother ship" images), and the best ones show obviously small models.



Well, Adamski got famous in 1952.

1944 NYT:
select.nytimes.com...
Full Article:
/qcbccr
1944 AP:
freenet-homepage.de...

1950 German Article:
freenet-homepage.de...
1952 German Article:
freenet-homepage.de...

And do you think the V1 and V2 rockets were the real "Wunderwaffe"?
Rockets were already common at that time:
freenet-homepage.de...




posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup

it should be remembered that all this Nazi UFO stuff "came to light" only after the Adamski story. So rather than Adamski seeing a supposedly Nazi UFO, it's probably much more likely that some inventive hoaxers took the Adamski ball and ran with it. They reverse engineered a history of Nazi UFOs to further glorify the wonderful Nazis and their superhuman genius, for obvious reasons.





Adamski was an under-achieving small-time thinker. He was onto something that had potentially huge mass appeal but lacked the marketing wherewithal to capitalize.

In 1950 a pulp science fiction writer published an article on his own invented cosmological philosophy he called "Dianetics" His name was Ron Hubbard. It caught on and within two years evolved into what has become a recognized religion with millions of adherents, Scientology.

Interestingly, their back story includes a superior alien race that came to Earth 75 million of years ago.

They wisely sidestepped the requirement of physical proof of these aliens.

Mike



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by mmiichael




Interestingly, their back story includes a superior alien race that came to Earth 75 million of years ago.

They wisely sidestepped the requirement of physical proof of these aliens.

Mike



Well, kinda. I recommend to read this thread:
Hitler, Ayrans, Summerians. How it all ties in.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 03:19 PM
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Originally posted by Haunebu
Well, Adamski got famous in 1952.

1944 NYT:
select.nytimes.com...
Full Article:
/qcbccr
1944 AP:
freenet-homepage.de...

1950 German Article:
freenet-homepage.de...
1952 German Article:
freenet-homepage.de...

And do you think the V1 and V2 rockets were the real "Wunderwaffe"?
Rockets were already common at that time:
freenet-homepage.de...


Don't believe everything you read in the papers. Adamski capitalized on the flying saucer craze, but the devil is always in the details as far as linking the old stories with his. And, of course, Flash Gordon was flying to Mongo in the late 1930s. Doesn't prove a whole lot.



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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I must give haunebu a thumbs up here, if history is correct that is. There are also numerous books on the subject which support his theories. Isn't it interesting that a former german scientist/officer became head of nasa in the US after the war ended, see operation paperclip, von braun, peenemunde, v2 etc. Some of it are of course myth just like nazis created a myth around themselfs, deliberately.

Few selected books on the subject

Author: Henry Stevens
Hitler's Suppressed and Still-Secret Weapons, Science and Technology
Direct link to amazon
Author: Joseph P. Farrell
Reich Of The Black Sun: Nazi Secret Weapons & The Cold War Allied Legend
The SS Brotherhood of the Bell: Nasa's Nazis
Nazi International: The Nazis' Postwar Plan to Control the Worlds of Science, Finance, Space, and Conflict
Author: Jim Marrs
The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to Take Over America
Author: Richard C. Hoagland, Mike Bara
Dark Mission: The Secret History of NASA



[edit on 2009/5/27 by reugen]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.


Doesn't that fit every article in every newspaper and on every website?


Originally posted by Nohup
Adamski capitalized on the flying saucer craze, but the devil is always in the details as far as linking the old stories with his. And, of course, Flash Gordon was flying to Mongo in the late 1930s. Doesn't prove a whole lot.



The NAZI-UFO Story doesn't depend on Adamski, there is much, much and much more that supports the existence of the VRIL Society.
It is as simple as 1+1, and I have to say, I stopped counting a long time ago!

Knowing the "Nazis" were obsessed with the coming Age of Aquarius (2012) and their Expeditions around the globe including India and Tibet where they have undoubtedly studied the Vimanas, I must conclude that Graham Hancock, Erich von Däniken and others like them have given us a sneak preview of what the Nazis already knew. The entire Occult of the Third Reich was based on that. Just take a look at the Sumerian/Babylonian Statues they carry during this parade at the beginning of this video:

The rest is worth watching as well!

The History Channel has reported about them too:

And finally for now, the Disclosure Project has a witness that confirms it as well. Please fast forward to: 4:25


It is too bad that most of the information is in German and it is a real horror to translate it but those of you whom speak German, do look into the matter!



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by Haunebu

Originally posted by Nohup

Don't believe everything you read in the papers.


Doesn't that fit every article in every newspaper and on every website?


Absolutely. And when it comes to subjects that are out of the ordinary, it applies doubly.


The NAZI-UFO Story doesn't depend on Adamski, there is much, much and much more that supports the existence of the VRIL Society.
It is as simple as 1+1, and I have to say, I stopped counting a long time ago!


Unfortunately, it never completely connects. And putting an old date on a drawing doesn't automatically send it back in time. None of the claims amount to anything substantial. It's all smoke and mirrors. And when something more substantial is asked for, the response is always, "Well, of course the evidence is marginal, because the U.S. and Russian governments have it all under wraps." Very convenient.

Anyway, you and the Tesla Guy have much in common, in that you only have a hammer, so every mystery looks like a nail.



[edit on 27-5-2009 by Nohup]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
Anyway, you and the Tesla Guy have much in common, in that you only have a hammer, so every mystery looks like a nail.


I tend to see it more like a giant jigsaw puzzle, putting the pieces together.
Putting together a alternative reality in which the many anomalies that disrupt the official and most common version of reality including the perception of Nazi Germany by the mainstream, as brought to you by the NWO©, fit in.

I think that the entire UFO Phenomenon is being ridiculed in order to create as many fear as possible in an eminent (most likely) staged Alien Invasion. If that's the case than there are two options.

1. It is completely staged by those whom are responsible for ridiculing the matter.
2. There will be a real attack on "our Freedom" by the VRIL Society which wants to liberate the planet from the NWO but the public reacts full of fear because of the 64 year long anti-German Propaganda which continues up to this day.

Most Conspiracy Theorists refer to Nazi Germany as the Roots of all Evil and Germans are being brainwashed and most of them suffer under a major guilt complex and paying billions because of something some of their grandparents supposedly did 64 years ago. It goes even that far that Germany is up to this day officially at war with all the Nations ever since.
Just read this (.pdf):
www.reichsland-bayern.de...

There is one prominent leader that stands up for them, but I don't think he will get much support from the rest of the world...



(The Video has English Subtitles)

[edit on 27-5-2009 by Haunebu]



posted on May, 27 2009 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by Haunebu

I think that the entire UFO Phenomenon is being ridiculed in order to create as many fear as possible in an eminent (most likely) staged Alien Invasion.



That's the plot of Alan Moore's WATCHMEN Graphic Novel from 1986, just made into a movie.

I see the worst enemy of the UFO phenomenon as the current generation of Ufologists. Once a serious investigation of unexplained sightings and activities, it has been completely hijacked by career opportunists and become a sub-industry carnival sideshow.





If that's the case than there are two options.

1. It is completely staged by those whom are responsible for ridiculing the matter.
2. There will be a real attack on "our Freedom" by the VRIL Society which wants to liberate the planet from the NWO but the public reacts full of fear because of the 64 year long anti-German Propaganda which continues up to this day.

Most Conspiracy Theorists refer to Nazi Germany as the Roots of all Evil and Germans are being brainwashed and most of them suffer under a major guilt complex and paying billions because of something some of their grandparents supposedly did 64 years ago. It goes even that far that Germany is up to this day officially at war with all the Nations ever since.



I have know many Germans in my life. They're exceptionally bright on the whole. Not one of them would subscribe to what you claim. Most see the Nazi era as a collective trance state for Germany, Austria, and Eastern Europe.

Notably Germany has rid itself of it's demons, and become the economic engine of the European Union.
"Arbeit Macht Frei"





There is one prominent leader that stands up for them, but I don't think he will get much support from the rest of the world..


Mr A. A rather pathetic delusional who believes he represents the coming of the promised 12th Imam. Even his taskmasters, the Ayatollahs, have felt the need to distance themselves from this embarrassing clown.

If that's all that stands between the world and alleged NWO control, there's really no contest.

Mike



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 02:34 AM
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The Nazi UFOs - 'Vril' and 'Haunebu' craft are figments of the imagination. Read the text that comes along with those schematics. If Nazi Germany really had those crafts they would have gotten air superiority in no time and we would all be speaking German by now. I know it's a conspiracy theory and this forum is the right place to discuss these matters but you can ask yourself if it's really necessary to trumphet this theory because some people with far more extremist views also jump on this bandwagon. Check out the name Ernst Zundel. Who's he? A neo-nazi who basicly used the theory, fabricated information in order to spread his far right wing ideology. What I'm saying is; be careful. The Nazi UFO myth attracts certain people and I think it's fair to say that people in the past have ran with the myth for selfish reasons.

Kevin McClure, a skeptic, did some decent research on the myth;
magonia.haaan.com...
I know he's a skeptic and with a lot of other things I would probably disagree with him but he did research who came out with what information and when. Read it, because it becomes obvious that the myth was developed over decades by some shady characters who spread uncorroborated information.

I also think that at one point Adamski's material was simply hijacked by "fans" of the Nazi UFO myth. Chronologicly that checks out since 99% of the Nazi theory came out well after Adamski's material. The Aryan appearance of one of Adamski's alleged contacts also plays right into the hands of supporters of the Nazi UFO myth, for obvious reasons, and nevermind that Adamski (and others) also reported seeing people with other hair colours and even dark skinned people. The latter is probably ignored because it doesn't have the "wow" factor for the myth.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:05 AM
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Two videos, connects to the book list i posted above. As usual though, history, witness testimony, old people and memory, facts and different conclusions but there are some evidence that germany had nuclear weapons ready in 1945.





www.ironsky.net... ;-)

[edit on 2009/5/28 by reugen]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 03:22 AM
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One thing that caught my attention is, why does the ufo or toy only fly about in the open space between the trees from the filmers point of view? The object never goes behind the trees as if the filmer was displaying the object in the clear area.

I dont buy this at all. Perhaps nobody can definitively debunk this 60's footage but I can quite easily conclude to myself that this is a toy hoax.

A true alien being is not going to come to earth and dangle dance itself in the open space between the leaves of two trees for some whacko.


[edit on 28-5-2009 by Wormwood Squirm]



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by reugen
Two videos, connects to the book list i posted above. As usual though, history, witness testimony, old people and memory, facts and different conclusions but there are some evidence that germany had nuclear weapons ready in 1945.





www.ironsky.net... ;-)

[edit on 2009/5/28 by reugen]


The rumour is that the first 3 atomic bombs ignited by the US were in fact German of Origin. There were build in the "Jonastal", a valley in former East Germany. I have had the opportunity to visit the site myself with some other people that are doing research as well. Our guide was a local writer whom has written several books about the valley.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by Wormwood Squirm
One thing that caught my attention is, why does the ufo or toy only fly about in the open space between the trees from the filmers point of view? The object never goes behind the trees as if the filmer was displaying the object in the clear area.

I dont buy this at all. Perhaps nobody can definitively debunk this 60's footage but I can quite easily conclude to myself that this is a toy hoax.

A true alien being is not going to come to earth and dangle dance itself in the open space between the leaves of two trees for some whacko.


[edit on 28-5-2009 by Wormwood Squirm]



How do you explain the "flexibility" of the craft, how its shape is being deformed, back in those days there was no CGI.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by TerraX
The Nazi UFOs - 'Vril' and 'Haunebu' craft are figments of the imagination. Read the text that comes along with those schematics. If Nazi Germany really had those crafts they would have gotten air superiority in no time and we would all be speaking German by now. I know it's a conspiracy theory and this forum is the right place to discuss these matters but you can ask yourself if it's really necessary to trumphet this theory because some people with far more extremist views also jump on this bandwagon. Check out the name Ernst Zundel. Who's he? A neo-nazi who basicly used the theory, fabricated information in order to spread his far right wing ideology. What I'm saying is; be careful. The Nazi UFO myth attracts certain people and I think it's fair to say that people in the past have ran with the myth for selfish reasons.

Kevin McClure, a skeptic, did some decent research on the myth;
magonia.haaan.com...
I know he's a skeptic and with a lot of other things I would probably disagree with him but he did research who came out with what information and when. Read it, because it becomes obvious that the myth was developed over decades by some shady characters who spread uncorroborated information.

I also think that at one point Adamski's material was simply hijacked by "fans" of the Nazi UFO myth. Chronologicly that checks out since 99% of the Nazi theory came out well after Adamski's material. The Aryan appearance of one of Adamski's alleged contacts also plays right into the hands of supporters of the Nazi UFO myth, for obvious reasons, and nevermind that Adamski (and others) also reported seeing people with other hair colours and even dark skinned people. The latter is probably ignored because it doesn't have the "wow" factor for the myth.


Hahaha, he's a debunker and you just pick the things you like and ignore the rest because you disagree with him. Do your own research, please.
I bet the poor fellow doesn't even speak German.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by Haunebu
Hahaha, he's a debunker and you just pick the things you like and ignore the rest because you disagree with him. Do your own research, please.

Oh, I did. I reached the conclusion that Nazi UFOs were bunk long before I came across that article by Kevin McClure. Did you do any research? Did you notice what the text says in those Vril and Haunebu "schematics"? From your shallow reply I'm guessing that you didn't. Supposedly those craft were able to reach supersonic speeds, had long endurance and even 'ray-guns' (KSK).
If Germany had aircraft like that they would have decimated anything the Allies had in their arsenal. In all likelyhood those "schematics" were made by a teenager having some fun. The sad part is, is that some people actually buy it. There's much more to point out why it is so unlikely the Germans made those crafts (recorded history - logistics - aircraft technology at the time) but in case I'm talking to a brick wall it's best to save my time and energy.
Just leave Adamski out of the silly Nazi UFO propaganda.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by TerraX

I reached the conclusion that Nazi UFOs were bunk long before I came across that article by Kevin McClure. Did you do any research? Did you notice what the text says in those Vril and Haunebu "schematics"? From your shallow reply I'm guessing that you didn't. Supposedly those craft were able to reach supersonic speeds, had long endurance and even 'ray-guns' (KSK).

If Germany had aircraft like that they would have decimated anything the Allies had in their arsenal. In all likelyhood those "schematics" were made by a teenager having some fun. The sad part is, is that some people actually buy it.

There's much more to point out why it is so unlikely the Germans made those crafts (recorded history - logistics - aircraft technology at the time)



Thanks for the insights. Your characterization of those drawings looking like teenage doodlings is appropriate. Back when they were done the level of scientific understanding in the general public was astoundingly low. Any jargoned scientific double-talk could be passed off, especially if there were neat drawings to go with it.

The fact that the better part of a century later some people can look at these things and take them seriously says much about how sophisticated we really have become.

In the end a lot of interest in UFOs is really about fantasy and wish fulfillment, not scientific inquiry. So even the most laughable footage and theories are accepted as some sort of validation.


Mike



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by TerraX

Oh, I did. I reached the conclusion that Nazi UFOs were bunk long before I came across that article by Kevin McClure. Did you do any research? Did you notice what the text says in those Vril and Haunebu "schematics"? From your shallow reply I'm guessing that you didn't. Supposedly those craft were able to reach supersonic speeds, had long endurance and even 'ray-guns' (KSK).
If Germany had aircraft like that they would have decimated anything the Allies had in their arsenal. In all likelyhood those "schematics" were made by a teenager having some fun. The sad part is, is that some people actually buy it. There's much more to point out why it is so unlikely the Germans made those crafts (recorded history - logistics - aircraft technology at the time) but in case I'm talking to a brick wall it's best to save my time and energy.
Just leave Adamski out of the silly Nazi UFO propaganda.


If I did any research? My home is the place where you can find probably the largest collection of stuff that is related to the "Nazi-UFOs" on this entire planet. Did you visit my Youtube Channel???
www.youtube.com...

I personally own a piece of Evidence that there was a German base and Expedition in 1960 that isn't listed anywhere:
img261.imageshack.us...
I made a Video about that letter and some of the other stuff I have in my library.


And the drawings you refer to:
freenet-homepage.de...
Those are incorrect reproductions!!!
There are other much less known drawings which haven't found their way into the Internet and only can be partly seen in an Underground German Documentary about the "Flugscheiben". The people that own these Drawings want to remain anonymous because of the fear that Germany declares them as Nazi Propaganda and won't hesitate to take them away and destroy them. I have met people who have seen them with their own eyes and they were stunned, they seem to be real. Those drawings are too large to be placed under a regular scanner.
Just watch:

MUST SEE!!!



By the way, one Name hasn't come up so far. Viktor Schauberger!




The physics of Russell's Cosmology also explains the Free Energy Implosion Technologies of the great Austrian Water Wizard, Viktor Schauberger. Schauberger invented Implosion Turbines in the 30's and 40's in Austria and Germany. This implosion physics defies academic physics and makes academic theory provably obsolete and the professors pushing these socially engineered lies as well. For a detailed account of the free energy technologies of Viktor Schuaberger and Walter Russell, Implosion Physics, Bio-mimicry, Scalar Mechanics and the many types of Free Energy Technologies currently in existence please see: www.feandft.com... Viktor Schauberger Implosion Turbine from the 1940's
www.frank.germano.com...


Sincerely, Haunebu



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Haunebu
If I did any research? My home is the place where you can find probably the largest collection of stuff that is related to the "Nazi-UFOs" on this entire planet. Did you visit my Youtube Channel???
www.youtube.com...

Good, you're the one who put up that stuff and tarnished the Adamski case. Excellent. I'll be back later.



posted on May, 28 2009 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Haunebu
How do you explain the "flexibility" of the craft, how its shape is being deformed, back in those days there was no CGI.


How about "I don't know?" Do you?

Just because something is unexplained doesn't necessarily mean it's alien technology or magic. It just means nobody knows, and any answer anyone presents is nothing but conjecture. Maybe it was done with a mirror that accidentally bends at the edges. Is that a less reasonable conjecture than anti-gravity space warping?

Here's a question for you. How come the footage only lasts a few seconds, rather than, say, an hour? And what happens after? As other UFO video demonstrates, UFO exits are the hardest to skillfully accomplish because you have to show it going away using the proper perspective.



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