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Toward the end of November a wire came into Project Sign from Germany. It was the first report where a UFO was seen and simultaneously picked up on radar. This type of report, the first of many to come, is one of the better types of UFO reports. The wire said:
At 2200 hours, local time, 23 November 1948, Capt. saw an object in the air directly east of this base. It was at an unknown altitude. It looked like a reddish star and was moving in a southerly direction across Munich, turning slightly to the southwest then the southeast. The speed could have been between 200 to 600 mph, the actual speed could not be estimated, not knowing the height. Capt. called base operations and they called the radar station. Radar reported that they had seen nothing on their scope but would check again. Radar then called operations to report that they did have a target at 27,000 feet, some 30 miles south of Munich, traveling at 900 mph. Capt. reported that the object that he saw was now in that area. A few minutes later radar called again to say that the target had climbed to 50,000 feet, and was circling 40 miles south of Munich.
Capt. - is an experienced pilot now flying F-80's and is considered to be completely reliable. The sighting was verified by Capt. - , also an F-80 pilot.
The possibility that this was a balloon was checked but the answer from Air Weather Service was "not a balloon." No aircraft were in the area. Nothing we know of, except possibly experimental aircraft, which are not in Germany, can climb 23,000 feet in a matter of minutes and travel 900 miles per hour.
Originally posted by JimOberg
I like to concentrate my discussions on cases where i know there's been serious point/counterpoint (prosecution/defense) adversarial research, and that was also Hynek's view -- something couldn't even be called a 'UFO' until it had actually been seriously investigated. The percentage values, I got from Hynek and Hendry. Condon was dealing with a pre-massaged data set.
"Specious argumentation, and argumentation of scientifically very weak nature, abound in the Report's case-analyses. And, while broadly charging bias on the part of those who have taken the UFO problem seriously in the past, the Report exhibits degrees of bias in the opposite direction that deserve the sharpest of criticism."
Dr James McDonald - Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and Professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona
If you solve 10 million easy cases, but haven't touched the surface of the "real" phenomena (i.e. the true "core " cases), what have you really done?
Passenger Plane Sightings
Statistics show that across the world UFO sightings occur at a rate of around one every two or three minutes. Not surprising then that pilots of commercial airliners should be high on the list of people to have most witnessed them. It is a fact that ever since the beginning of flight and commercial aviation strange craft or disk shaped objects have proved the bafflement of many a professional pilot. In many cases the sightings have been witnessed by the entire crew and passengers - literally hundreds of separate witnesses to each individual incident.
In the early days of commercial aviation these sightings proved something of a novelty. Pilots and air crew were happy to recount their experiences to any one who would listen. Gradually however this openness began to disappear. Airlines became increasingly sensitive to these issues, some even going as far as to prohibit their pilots from talking publicly of their sightings.
Originally posted by Beauty_HairyBeast
Witnesses saw a Typhoon Jet swoop in towards a disk shaped craft over Snowdonia ( Wales uk ) apparently the craft stopped the jet in mid air and turned it on its end.
Fascinating, here is the link to the pdf file.
I have looked for the pilots account but sadly to no avail, I guess they really were silenced?
Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar
I'm really confused here Jim, yes, the BOLA Case is the LA Event in February of 1942. Seriously? You have nothing more to add?
Jim, surely you are aware, in Science what we do is make guesses, called Hypotheses...
So, if I'm reading you correctly, it's like you're saying "I want to know the answer to this question, but I'm not willing to consider all of the possibilities."
You state that "NOT knowing something is no excuse for jumping to actually KNOWING something else."
Seriously, I'd like your answer to that question, without avoidance or indirect dodging.
In the BOLA Case...during bombardment (VTOL flight had yet to be mastered by humans, even balloons have drift, and fall under fire...)
So seriously Jim, I'd appreciate it if you would extend to my question a bit more respect...
If you really just don't have a theory, I'll continue to support the Extra-Terrestrially Built/Flown Craft theory, and I'll kindly ask you not to challenge that with 'tactics', but with Science.
What I'm looking for here Jim, is if you don't think it's ET in those cases, what is YOUR theory? And how does YOUR theory stand up to the available evidence.
Thank you very much for considering these arguments.
Originally posted by karl 12
NASA is ASAN, I don't think WFA has posted here for a while but I agree he makes some fair points and I too would be interested to hear a response.
Originally posted by NASA is ASAN
I don't mean to be combative or anything, it's just that you've put together quite an awesome thread and collection of cases, then all of a sudden we got a guy trolling the thread (thesaurus in hand, you know, to appear smarter than he actually is) ruining the atmosphere.
A west bound America West B-757 airliner encountered a UFO with flashing lights along its length on May 25, 1995. The passenger jet was flying over the panhandle of Texas when it observed the unknown object. Thanks be to investigator Walter N. Webb, of the UFO Research Coalition for his thorough investigation of the case. Webb was able to get copies of the FAA voice tapes of chatter between the plane and ground. He also interviewed the crew and air traffic controllers..
Pilots Witness Two UFOs separate and One USO Submerge
December 22, 1977.
"We were out about six hundred miles over the Atlantic at 21,000 feet heading in to Logan. The weather was clear except for some widely scattered clouds beneath us. It was 11:40 p.m. and I had a guy by the name of Slim Dickson as co-pilot. We had just been having a cup of coffee and Slim had set his cup on the panel next to his right elbow. As he put the cup down, he glanced out to what would be between one and two o'clock, and suddenly he grabs me by the arm.
"Reflexively I swiveled my head to look at him and caught this dazzle of twinkling lights coming at us from the starboard side, just ahead, and appearing maybe about fifty feet below. Instantly Slim and I realized that whatever the thing was, it was moving in a hurry, that it was entirely too close, and appeared to be about to cross in front of, or about to collide with us. And it was huge!
"I slammed on some power, hauled the nose up and prayed we'd go over top of that thing. Just as we started to climb, this thing swept straight up, did an impossible right angle turn and begins to pace us. I don't see how ANYTHING could have executed a maneuver like that -- I mean almost a simultaneous two-directional turn -- up and to the right, not to mention coming to damned near a dead stop"
"We couldn't detect any sound, see any prop or jet wash, nor see any exhaust. It just kept flashing a lot of lights around the middle. Once we leveled off again, the thing stayed just ahead of us off to our right and we had a chance to observe it.We couldn't see any hard outline or shape to it but, you could tell it was circular because of the lights...
"I don't mind telling you I was nervous as hell, and Slim, he was chalk white and scared stiff. It suddenly occurred to me...what if the passengers are watching that thing? What am I going to tell them? I didn’t want panic back there, so I buzzed the stewardess. When she came on the phone I asked her how things were back there? She answered, "Okay, why?" l said, “Oh, nothing, Just checking.” l figured as long as she hadn’t made any mention of the thing out there, then evidently none of the passengers had spotted it. The object may just have been far enough forward to be out of their sight line.
"Now comes, the wacky part of the whole thing. While we were watching the UFO, suddenly this other glowing thing drops out from underneath it. The damned thing drops out from underneath it. The damned thing looked a neon-green smoke ring. It dropped away from the larger UFO down toward the water … and submerged! We saw the glowing green circle of water where it went in, and then the glow disappeared!
“Seconds later, two more green rings dropped out. The second one dropped away and submerged like the first one, but the third one dropped down and then shot straight ahead to disappear toward the coast".
More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's. Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in action, no hits were made. The UFO's were luminous and moved very fast. We too have fired on UFO's. About ten o'clock one morning, a radar site near a fighter base picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude. The UFO began to accelerate away but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for a short period of time. It was definitely saucer-shaped. As the pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away. When the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in an attempt to down the saucer. He failed, and the UFO pulled away rapidly, vanishing in the distance.
Peruvian Air Force pilot shoots at UFO.
"At this point, I came within about 300 feet of the UFO. It was about 30 feet in diameter. It was an enameled, cream-colored dome, with a wide, circular, metallic base. It had no engines, no exhausts, no windows, no wings or antennae. It lacked all the typical aircraft components, with no visible propulsion system."