Eighty Years of Pilot UFO sightings.

Pilot Interviews:

Pilot Graham Bethune recalls an incident while flying a transport aircraft from Iceland to Newfoundland. The aircraft carrier-sized object seem to fly up from the water to "inspect" them before disengaging. The entire crew witnessed it as did an on-board Navy medical doctor -interview at 0:40

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And
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Bizarre account from a British Airways pilot in 1975, where he talks of seeing bright lights outside the cockpit during a flight to New York.

www.youtube.com...

First-hand account from 1931 of one of the world's leading avaiation pioneers, Sir Francis Chichester, describing an unexplained craft flying next to him during his inaugural flight from New Zealand to Australia.

www.youtube.com...

Pilot captain Ray Bowyer on Richard and Judy show, UK (2007.06.27).

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UFO, Former US Pilot Milton Torres interview by Jeremy Thompson Oct. 20, 2008.

www.youtube.com...

Iran 1976 UFO Incident - interview with pilot at 2:20

www.youtube.com...

Airline Pilot Guy Kirkwood describes UFO witnessed by passengers and crew on Flight 182 from Los Angeles to New Orleans - interview at 0:41

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Very interesting interview with helicopter pilot Lt Colonel Lawrence Coyne at 1:10

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Airline Captain Neil Daniels describes UFO witnessed by his crew and the resulting electromagnetic effects on his aircraft.

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Originally posted by JimOberg

Originally posted by WitnessFromAfar
I just wanted to ask your opinion on the BOLA case, as it pertains to the argument you were making earlier on this page...

Would you mind addressing my question directly?

If you mean the 1942 LA events, I really don't have anything to add.

i think this speaks volumes jim. i'll tell you why.
typically every time i see you in a ufo thread three things happen in your posts:

1. you immediately say it's not a ufo
2. you either scoff, or condescend to anyone who disagrees.
3. you then ignore any posts that you can't fit your talking points into. or if badgered enough say " i have nothing to add"


it begs the question....just what is your purpose here? if you're not even going to research the battle of la....arguably one of the most infamous ufo cases...why should any of us respond to your posts?

"get some more livin under your belt" was something directed at clickfoot, and with his upbeat attitude brushed aside...but wow what condescension jim.

i think that there is something in our airspace that is unexplained. it can't be secret government tech, the speeds some of these things have been tracked at is flabberghasting and quite frankly if we have that tech...why are we still in iraq and afghanistan...we could have ended those in minutes, and why are we still using the combustion engine. so if it isn't earth tech...just what the hell is it jim?

there comes a point when thousands and thousands of eyewitnesses from all walks of life all over the world, radar returns, photo, videos and mass sightings have to count for something. because they can't all be explained away when they corroborate and dont match terrestrial tech or known atmospheric phenomenon.

perhaps instead of labeling all ufos as misidentifications, maybe you should instead investigate individual cases like the rest of us. and it'd help if you'd lose the attitude that we're all wet behind the ears 18 year olds with no investigation time into the phenomenon.

reply to post by karl 12


karl, this is still one of my favorite threads. there's just so much information. although i've never read anything on this site or linked on this site that matches what i saw last year, it's always fascinating to read what people have witnessed. some of the testimony you've presented is from some pretty high up people....it just boggles my mind. if they dont' know what this stuff is....then who the heck does?

Originally posted by optimus primal
reply to post by karl 12

 

karl, this is still one of my favorite threads. there's just so much information. although i've never read anything on this site or linked on this site that matches what i saw last year, it's always fascinating to read what people have witnessed. some of the testimony you've presented is from some pretty high up people....it just boggles my mind. if they dont' know what this stuff is....then who the heck does?

Optimus primal, thanks for the reply and I agree it certainly is very interesting to read what other pilots have witnessed.

I dont know the description or nature of the object you saw but theres a pretty comprehensive report (and list) below citing different object shapes and characteristics.

Theres also a catalogue of UFO/OVNI shapes here which may include a similar object:

THE UFO EVIDENCE, published by the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena.

THE PATTERNS

What professional and private pilots have seen is readily classifiable into three general types of UFO phenomena (corresponding very well with the Air Force Project Grudge Report; see Section XII):


* Geometrical objects, generally circular (disc, oval, ellipse)
* Maneuvering or gyrating lights
* Cigar-shaped or rocket-like objects

Link

Cheers.

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Excellent pilot sighting UFO documentary citing some 'very difficult to explain away' cases and claims from professional pilots that airline companies 'punish' aviation professionals who provide UFO testimony.

Google Video Link

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Great presentation by Richard M. Dolan who discusses many pilot UFO/OVNI sightings - some very interesting remarks around 19:25.

Google Video Link

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Revealing excerpt about pilot reports from Richard Dolan´s (excellent) book ´UFOs and the National Security State´:

10 years inprisonment / $10,000 fine.

On February 13th (1954), Jim G. Lucas of Scripps Howard reported that representatives of major airlines were planning to meet in Los Angleles with intelligence officers of the Military Air Transport Service.
The purpose was to speed up UFO reporting procedures. Lucas wrote that airline pilots were reporting large numbers of UFOs during their flights and were now being asked "not to discuss their sightings publicly or give them to newspapers".
Lucas had accurate information. On February 17th 1954 ,officers of the Military Transport Intelligence met with officials of the Airline Pilots Union at the Roosevelt Hotel in Hollywood.
The goal of the meeting was to implement JANAP 146,specifically to arrange for pilots to radio UFO reports to the nearest airport and make no public statements about them.
Violations brought prison terms of up to ten years and/or a fine of $10,000.

Scripps Howards papers followed up on February 23rd to report that
"the nation´s 8,500 commercial airline pilot have been seeing a lot of unusual objects while flying at night, here and overseas".
It confirmed that plans for a detailed reporting system were agreed upon to enable the air force to investigate UFOs quickly.
Each airline had an internal security specialist to meet with the Air Force.

Link

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Two other interesting reports:

Experienced pilot and passenger sight disc-shaped UFO with dome on top

Date: May 21, 1966

Location: Near Willow Grove, Pennsylvania, United States

Summary: An 18,000-hour pilot and his passenger made a clear daylight sighting of a disc-shaped UFO with a dome on top on the afternoon of May 21, 1966 near Willow Grove, Pa. "It was as clear as seeing a Cadillac drifting by at 100 yards," said William C. Powell. Currently active in executive-transport flying, Powell was a pilot for the Dutch KLM airlines, and before that for the U.S. Air Force and RCAF.

Link

Disc-shaped UFO hovers, then evades pursuit by pilot.

Date: October 2, 1961

Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, United States

Summary: A grayish disc-shaped object which hovered, wobbling on its axis, then evaded pursuit, was sighted October 2, 1961 at Salt Lake City, Utah airport. Private pilot Waldo J. Harris, a real estate broker, investigated the object in his light aircraft as 8-10 ground personnel at the airport watched. The object was disc shaped, 50 feet in diameter, and 8-10 feet thick.

Link

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Other pilot reports:

Chiles-Whitted Case - July 23, 1948, near Montgomery, Alabama:

The 'classic" case of this type is the sighting by Eastern Airlines pilots C S. Chiles and J. B. Whitted, July 23, 1948. At 2:45 a.m. in the vicinity of Montgomery, Alabama, Captain Chiles and his co-pilot noticed a brilliant light loom up in front of the DC-3, hurtling head-on toward them. The UFO swooped down veered to the right of the airliner, emitted a long red exhaust blast and shot straight up into clouds. Captain Chiles later described the UFO as torpedo-shaped, about 100 feet long, with two rows of brightly-lit apparent windows along the side.


Sketch:

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Note:
At Robbins AFB, Georgia on the same night, about 2:00 a.m., a "long, dark wingless tube" was seen rushing overhead spurting flame from the stern.

www.nicap.org...

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Griffiss Air Force Base advises Commercial airliner to 'abandon landing' and follow UFO:

Commercial Plane Follows UFO

April 8, 1956: A very brilliant light was followed across New York State by an American Airlines plane. The pilots were Capt. Raymond Ryan and First Officer William Neff. The chase was described by radio to Air Force and civilian control tower operators. The following account of the sighting is taken from a tape-recorded interview program, "Meet the Millers," On WBEN TV, Buffalo, New York, April 16, 1956 (tape on file at NICAP). Mr. and Mrs. Miller are the interviewers (Int.); Captain Ryan, F/O Neff, and Bruce Foster (a Bell Aircraft Company engineer) are the guests:

Interview Transcript:

....Ryan: Yes it did. It changed color after it got to the west of us, probably 8 to 10 miles. It appeared--the light went out, that's what had Bill and I concerned. It went out momentarily, and we knew there was something up there, and now here we were with a load of passengers with something on our course up ahead, and what are we going to do, so we watched this where the light went out and this orange object came on--this orange light.


Ryan: We looked at one another a little bit amazed, so we decided we'd call Griffiss Air Force Base, and I thought they had the radar on. . . And they didn't have it on- It would taken them 30 minutes to energize the set.


Neff: They asked us to keep it sighted and we did, and we kept calling out our location and as we told them where we were we turned all our lights on. They asked us to turn them off and they could see us, and they asked if this object you see is orange in color. We said it was---


lnt: This is after it turned on I understand


Ryan: Yes. They said "we have a definite silhouette in sight south of the field." Now those fellas are observers who are in the tower. They said that they could see a silhouette.


Neff: Watertown could see it and they're quite a ways north of Griffiss, and Albany saw it--two men in the tower at Albany--one an Air Force man and one a CAA man. And they saw it after we first called them, and noticed--and they looked over to the west and saw it right away.


Int: And when they saw it was it moving?


Neff: Well, we didn't get to talk with them---


Int: But to you it was moving?


Neff: Oh yes.


Int: Real fast?


Ryan: It stayed just that far ahead of us, and they asked us what our point of next intended landing was, and 1 told them Syracuse, and they wanted to be identified--our aircraft, number and serial number, and they said "well abandon that next landing temporarily and maintain the course and your altitude," so we did. They were calling scramble.

www.nicap.org...

Thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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The Redmond Oregon UFO Incident:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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More on the Navy F-14 UFO Incident, Cabo Rojo, Puerto Rico - 28th December, 1988.


Excerpt from Timothy Good's (excellent) book 'Need to Know: UFOs, the Military, and Intelligence'.

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Artist impression:



Link

British UFO researchers discuss incident:

UFO researchers discuss how UFOs have snached US planes over the Caribbean island of Puerto Rico including Navy F-14s. Shown in 1993.

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Brazil Declassifies New Set of UFO Documents:

The recent disclosure is particularly powerful because it contains dozens of reports of UFOs on May 19, 1986, considered the “Official UFO Night in Brazil”, when 21 spherical objects, estimated 100 meters in diameter – according to military sources – were detected by radars and spotted by civilian pilots, and literally jammed air traffic over the major Brazilian Airports, such as Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. Then, several Mirage and F5 jets were scrambled to pursue them.

As a result of that “invasion”, the Air Force minister brigadier Octavio Moreira Lima went public about it the other morning on the national TV network, declaring all facts openly. The pilots who took part in the pursue and their commanders also spoke freely about the pursuits, which occurred over several hours.

Link:
www.theufochronicles.com...

Thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by JimOberg
Have any of these cases actually been investigated by experienced people seeking prosaic explanations?

What, people with absolutely no regard for objectivity who concoct threadbare, spurious or contrived explanations like this?

"My study of past official Air Force investigations (Project Blue Book) leads me to describe them as completely superficial. Officially released 'explanations' of important UFO sightings have been almost absurdly erroneous."

Dr James McDonald -Senior physicist at the Institute for Atmospheric Physics and professor in the Department of Meteorology at the University of Arizona

Thread:

USAF "Force fit" debunks

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Japan Airlines JAL-1628 - UFO over Alaska

Among the UFO cases presented in this documentary, is the one by flight Japan Airlines JAL-1628 over Alaska in 1986. The Japanese pilot lost his job for reporting the incident to the public, but 15 years later, the story was corroborated by John Callahan, retired Division Chief of the Accidents and Investigations Branch of the FAA. According to Callahan, his boss FAA administrator Donald Engen briefed members of President Reagan's Scientific Study Team, the FBI and the CIA in Washington, D.C.

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Originally posted by karl 12
Fascinating interview with Flight Lieutennant Michael Swiney and Royal Navy Lieutennant David Crofts who both witnessed three disc shaped objects pass over the cockpit of their plane whilst flying over England in October 1952 (the three objects were also confirmed by ground radar).

Interviews at 4:40
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Link has been removed.

New address for documentary - interviews with pilots found at 14:55.

www.guba.com...



Statements:

"It was something supernatural. I immediately thought of course, of saucers, because that's actually what they looked like. They were not leaving a condensation trail as I knew we were. They were circular and appeared to be stationary. We continued to climb to twice that height [to 30,000 feet] and as we did so they did in fact change position. They took on a slightly different perspective. For example the higher we got they lost their circular shape and took on more of a 'flat plate' appearance - like when you hold a tea-saucer above your head and look at it, and then bring it down to your eye-level, it loses the circular shape and becomes a flat plate."

"At one time the objects, which were still very much in view, appeared to go from one side of us to the other, and to make quite sure it was not an illusion caused by us in our aeroplane moving to one side, I checked that we were absolutely still on a very steady heading, and sure enough they had moved across to the starboard side of the aircraft."

"We got to the top of the climb and I decided that really there was nothing much we could do. I was too shaken by what I had seen and decided to call the exercise off and go back to base. I called up Air Traffic Control at Rissington and said I had three unidentified objects fairly close and gave them my course. I understand later that there was a certain amount of pandemonium on the ground because they weren't used to having their own staff instructors calling up saying 'we have got three unidentified flying objects in front, what do we do?' They didn't know what to do either."

Flight Lieutenant Michael Swiney

And:

"I remember doing the 35,000 foot check and Mick, who was in the front seat, said: 'David, did you have anything to drink at lunchtime?' and I said: 'No, why?' and he said: 'Is your oxygen on?' and I replied: 'Mick, we've just done the 30,000 foot check and you checked with me that your oxygen was alright and I checked with you that my oxygen was alright,' then he said: 'Well, look at that - straight ahead!'

"Mick [who was in the front seat] put his head to one side and I looked straight through the D-window and there were three dots ahead, [initially] they wouldn't have been bigger than my thumb-nail at arm's length and there were certainly three of them. I looked up from time to time and saw they were approaching and getting further and further apart. What I saw looked like the bottom of a stemmed glass. They were lens shaped, like an ellipse and the sun was behind them, and there was no cloud at that height. It was impossible to tell the size of them or how far away they were.

"I was thinking all the time that I've got to make this a good exercise and didn't want to muff it by looking around at extraneous things, but Mick kept talking about them and saying that he thought they were UFOs so I thought: 'Oh yes, well let's go after them!' thinking well now we can stop doing the exercise and we can officially say we are off the hook. But he didn't, he said: 'Oh Lord no, don't you remember something that happened on the West Coast of America where a couple of pilots went after one of these things and they all got vapourised and they have never been seen since.' I then asked him what he intended to do, and with that he called Air Traffic Control at Little Rissington and said what he could see and within a very short time he said: 'I have control', he turned the aircraft and we headed back to base."

Royal Navy Lieutennant David Crofts

www.drdavidclarke.co.uk...

Thread

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Pilot encounters with UFOs: Study Challenges Secrecy
by: LESLIE KEAN

IN JANUARY, Agence France Presse reported that a Siberian airport was shut for 11/2 hours while a luminescent unidentified flying object hovered above its runway. Although it's hard to imagine such an event taking place in the industrialized United States, a compelling October 2000 study by a retired aerospace scientist from NASA-Ames Research Center shows that similar incidents have occurred in American skies over the last 50 years. "Aviation Safety in America -- A Previously Neglected Factor" presents more than 100 pilot and crew reports of encounters with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) that appear to have compromised aviation safety.
In stunning detail, pilots and crew describe a range of geometric forms and lights inconsistent with known aircraft or natural phenomena. Bizarre objects paced aircraft at relatively near distances, sometimes disabling cockpit instruments, interrupting ground communications, or distracting the crew.

www.karenlyster.com...

NAVY SEES "FLYING SAUCERS" ON RADAR SCREEN

Source: Daily Telegraph December 16th 1954

Location: Goulburn, Australia


Navy pilot has reported seeing two "flying saucers" flash past him while he was flying over Goulburn, N.S.W.

Radar officers at Nowra Fleet Air station picked up the objects on their screen. The pilot said he had the "saucers" go past his Sea Fury plane at supersonic speed.

Navy authorities last night would not comment on the reports which they said was "top secret" but they said the incident occurred three months ago. Pressmen heard of the report while visiting the Nowra Fleet Air Arm station yesterday with the minister of the Navy (Mr Francis). The pilot report said he was flying over Goulburn at 15,000 feet when he saw two lighted objects flash past. He said they easily passed his sea Fury fighter which was capable of flying 450 to 500 miles per hour.

The pilot reported the incident to Nowra radar officers about 9.30 p.m. The screen showed three objects at his position-his Sea Fury and two other flying objects. radar officers were unable to identify the two mother objects. A later check showed no other planes were in the vicinity. The pilot said he saw the objects for only a few seconds before they disappeared. He told the interviewing senior officers that the objects, which were brightly lit, appeared to be spinning at fantastic" speed.

www.ufoevidence.org...

Interivew with Pilot Parvis Jafari describing UFO witnessed over Tehran in September 1976 and the resulting electromagnetic effects:




Pentagon Documents:

REFERENCES:

Title: DIA Defense Information Evaluation Report IR No. 6846013976
To: Censored
Author: Major Roland B. Evans, USAF, Military Capability Analyst.
Date: September 22, 1976
Length: 5 pages.
Classification: Top secret, Declassified
CC: None.

Document One

Document Two

Document Three

Document Four

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The BOAC Stratocruiser UFO Incident -covered in depth at this (excellent) thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Video:




Sketches from Captain Howard's log book:

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Adddtional eye-witness testimony from passsenger:

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More at link:
www.ufocasebook.com...

The Lakenheath-Bentwater radar-visual jet chase:

Pilot testimony:

1956 at Bentwaters/Lakenheath an object was sighted by several military officers on the ground while simultaneously tracked on radar at two different stations. The object moved at 4000 MPH and was monitored for several hours during which two planes were scrambled.

When the first DeHavilland Venom locked on to the object the UFO shot to the rear of the plane. The pilot tried evasive maneuvers, couldn't break free & eventually had to return to base to refuel.

The second plane encountered mechanical difficulties as it flew within range of the object.

wiki.razing.net...

Thread:

The Lakenheath-Bentwaters UFO Incident

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2 UFOs chased by Military jets - Ecuador,06-25-2008:

REAL FOOTAGE DISCLOSURE OF ECUADOR MILITARY FILES SHOWING TWO UFOs BEING CHASED BY THE MILITARY JETS of ECUADOR

Thread:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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