reply to post by Neon Haze
Actually, hasn't Zeitgeist been pretty much torn apart by both historians and theologians alike? It's not that there are a lot of obvious falsehoods
- but that tenuous connections are stretched too thin to really be considered accurate or applicable in many cases.
I'm not going to write up a comprehensive research and corrections response, because I really don't care enough to at the present time and it would
take longer than I have to spare. Perhaps later. In the mean time, something you wrote did catch my eye which I want to address.
Prometheus shares a number of similarities with the Christ character. Prometheus descended from heaven as God incarnate as man, to save mankind. He
was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead.
It's always seemed to me that Prometheus always more exemplified the Lucifer character. Not the "devil" so many associate, but the "Light Bearer"
aspect of Lucifer. Even if the character had innoble intents, he is the one who brought knowledge to mankind by convincing Eve to eat of the forbidden
tree of knowledge (or knowledge of good & evil... it seems "knowledge" is maliable depending on the interpretation and the apologetics). However,
the similarities end there. I can't say how the original story of Lucifer's rebellion went in the Christian mythos, but for several centuries at
least it's been said that the rebellion occurred before man's creation - and that the temptation was Satan's way of corrupting God's perfect new
In contrast, Prometheus gave fire to mankind only after realizing his brother Epimetheus had already selfishly used all the gifts on the animals. So
Prometheus stole fire.
Fire is,I think, not necessarily meant to be taken literally - but as a symbol for knowledge - at least by association. Knowledge is generally
referred to as "light", and in those days - fire was the only source of light in the darkness. So common symbolism for knowledge is a lit lamp. And
of course... I doubt the ancient Greeks through that fire was a direct manifestation of the gods. They must have seen it in the natural world, and
it's taming occurred long before the city states of Greece were founded. The gods merely had the knowledge it took to summon fire, and control it.
This is what Prometheus brought. Knowledge... Knowledge that was only supposed to be privy to the gods. Depending on which source you read, some say
he did it out of pity for man, some say out of spite for the gods.
Now, for this transgression, Prometheus was not crucified. He was chained to a rock whereupon he would forever be tortured by raptors eating his
liver/entrails. As a god, he cannot die - so each morning his body regenerates and starts the process anew.
Some other interesting parallels between Greek Mythology and the Bible. While Prometheus didn't get crucified and resurrected - he did create mankind
in the image of the gods from the clay of the Earth. However, Prometheus was a titan and subservient to the gods. In Genesis, god is the one who
created man from clay.
A loose correlation can be made for women here as well. Prometheus wasn't the only one punished for the light of fire being spread to man. Zeus also
punished mankind. To this end, he ordered Hephaestus to create a companion to men who would be all that they desired... woman. Hephestus did so, and
her name was Pandora. She was offered to the titan Epimetheus (Prometheus's brother) as a gift of consolation. With her, she had a box that contained
all of the evils of the world and was told never to open it. Her curiosity got the best of her, and she eventually opened the box - releasing evil
into the world. In a way, Pandora's box can be seen in the same light as the expulsion from paradise. Especially since both accounts seem to lay the
blame on women.
Also, on a final note: If anyone could be seen as a "Christ Figure" in the Prometheus myth - it would be Hercules. Prometheus was a Titan, not a
mortal. Hercules, however, was born of a mortal woman and fathered by a god. Hercules was the redeemer of Prometheus, considering his father's
punishment too harsh. He eventually persuaded Zeus to allow him to break Prometheus's chains and redeem him. However, Heracles was the redeemer of a
titan - not mankind. Considering the situation, the closest analogy would be if Christ persuaded god to rethink his punishment of Lucifer and allow
Christ to descend into the pit and free the Light Bearer from the lake of fire.
So, considering the above, I really don't think you've fully through this through or have done enough research. Surely you must have known the
weaknesses of comparing Prometheus to Christ, and yet you added it anyhow in what appears to be the deliberate padding of your case, rather than it's
accuracy. Because of this, I don't feel your proposition is really worth considering, as it's likely riddled with the same errors and misconceptions
- or convenient stretchings of the truth so long as you think it builds your case. The same error that Zeitgeist's writers made.
Unless, of course, you have a means of explaining the alleged Prometheus/Christ connection which is both accurate and compelling which I have thus far
not come across. I did an initial query for resources on the Prometheus Creation/Fire myth and found not even an insinuation of a correlation to
Indeed, their central roles aren't even the same. Prometheus was the creator of man, and he made mankind to resemble the gods. What more fitting a
gift than to bestow upon those who look like the gods, than a spark of the power of the gods. In many ways, I think the Prometheus character both
exemplified his love for his creation by stealing fire, as well as spite. I don't see any reason why he could not both pity mankind, and at the same
time be contemptuous of the gods who had defeated his fellow titans when Zeus warred against Chronos and now ruled from Mount Olympus with tyranny and
(Interesting note: Prometheus represents "Foresight", while his brother represents "hindsight". Prometheus was only tolerated on Mt. Olympus for
his insights into the future, and his brother only tolerated by association. It was this foresight that allowed him to steal the fire, and ultimately,
makes Prometheus such a tragic character - as he likely knew his ultimate fate as a result of his actions - and he still gave the fire to mankind)
Insofar as Christ... Christ is merely a scapegoat character. It somewhat like the modern act of confession. In the old days, the Jewish people would
tell their sins to a goat, or write them on a scroll and tie them to the goat, then either kill the goat as a blood sacrifice or send it into the
wilderness to die. Lambs were also common sacrifices, and hold great importance in the old testament. Remember the plagues of Egypt, and that to spare
your first born son you had to cover your door frame with lambs blood. This is essentially what Christ is. He is the son of god, the "Sacrificial
" of God. By taking on mortal form, he took our sins upon himself and then was sacrificed to appease the angry Old Testament god for the
original sin of Adam and all subsequent sin. He's really just as simple and shallow as that.
The virgin birth and walking on water... that's just filler junk. The central core concept of Christ is not like the other gods you described.
Indeed, the reason stated above is why some Christians cannot stand the through of Genesis being read as anything other than literal. To them, it had
to historically take place - or else there was no "fall". With no fall, there is no need for a redeemer... no need for Christ. The whole house of
cards comes down.
[edit on 24-5-2009 by Lasheic]