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Originally posted by Daniem
Originally posted by network dude
And for me the collest thing about my God is that even if you don't believe in him, he still loves you.
AHH but LOVE means eternal torture in hell, for sinning and not believing. Your sick. How is that love?
Originally posted by wylekat
I coulda proven all that a little easier.
It's all down to EXPERIENCE. Honest. Be honest- How many times have you prayed to Jesus, or God, and got absolutely NOTHING? But bring this up to the churchies, and you'll get more reasons why than I have art doodles. "God has (insert any number of infinite reasons here) for the reason why you're (poor, lonely, miserable, diseased, whatever), and (insert about a billion reasons why) you're prayers aren't answered. Then, you may or may not get compared to Job- since he's the one who got slammed, supposedly. HOWEVER- the problem with that happy little story is a) NONE of us can match his mythical 'goodness', and second, the SOB was rich, just like almost any other character in that book. He came out even richer! ANYONE who is poor or destitute, or alone is treated with pity, scorn, and left to their own devices, with no 'divine help' whatsoever. Oh, they get mentioned, and 'oh, poor them'. The rich? They are basically treated to more money, more power, and more, more, more, more. The only reason you have all that nonsense in the New Testament is for the poor to not have a hissy- and actually expect a 'reward' AFTER they are dead.
I have personally experienced this myself. I am lonely, poor, miserable, and by all rights, and against all odds, I SHOULDNT be. I got fed all the reasons, I got told all the fairy tales. The whole "loving God" thing is a pile of complete crap, in my opinion. "Loving" could have done only 2 small things in my life. 2 tiny things. Not money, not power, none of that- and I was failed Big Time. And then lied to nonstop by his fanatics.
And I'll be perfectly honest.... No 'reward' when I'm dead is worth what I have been put thru.
Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by wylekat
How about *That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger*?
I forgot who said it but people love to believe that one.
Problem is they refuse to believe the same saying when it comes from a bible.
Blaming God is a cop out.
Just my opinion.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by mike73173
One piece of evidence is the claim of Tibetan Lama's that Jesus was their "Issa", and that he spent his "lost years" in their land, studying their faith.
There was a document supporting this, supposedly, that was burned by some group (Chinese? Vatican?). But even without this, the oral traditions are compelling enough (to me).
Originally posted by clcreek
All you have to do is read the bible to know that alot of the crap taught in churches is simply not in the bible.