Dave Rabbit Review
I have to be honest when I say that the story line did not surprise me at all. Having read all the insider comments over the preceding few months, I
kind of felt like the Marcus Wright character was going to be huge in this movie, and it was. I felt from the very beginning of his
introduction into the story line that he was going to be a hero rather than a villain. Of course, the idiots who did the trailers just about gave it
away anyway with what they promoted.
Sidebar: Am I the only one that thinks the idiots who do the trailers put so much stuff into them now a days, that they almost completely
destroy the reason to go in the first place? I hate that. End Sidebar
Back on focus.... I really enjoyed the fact that Marcus being almost human, with the exception of the exoskeleton, really added to the plot,
especially his relationship with Blair Williams. Of course, to me, I kinda saw it coming on the heart transplant thing. There were just too
many times they kept emphasizing ”Everyone Deserves A Second Chance”. When John Connor sustains the injury towards the end, I knew
he was not going to die but that Marcus was going to be his Salvation.
That’s my initial thoughts... what about YOURS?
Dave
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reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 08:39 AM by Tentickles
reply to post by Phlegmi
Ha! He did give you warning.
I havent seen it yet, but I always figure out the damn story line in the first 30-40 minutes of the movie.
They dont make movies like they used too.
Ha! He did give you warning.
I havent seen it yet, but I always figure out the damn story line in the first 30-40 minutes of the movie.
They dont make movies like they used too.
reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 10:10 AM by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Dave Rabbit
Dave, I loved "Terminator : Salvation" as it was a long awaited movie for myself as well as anyone who is a fan of all things "Terminator".
I noticed there were a lot of homage's to movies in the past, including scenes from the first three "Terminator" films (usually with guns, instead of politically)
The symbolism of man verses "The Machine" is unmistakable as a reference to the common man verses Government oppresion when anyone with intelligence tries to fight it.
The scene where Marcus Wright (mark us right, as in biochip tracking? Subliminal messaging about GPS syncing up with Digital Angel?) escapes from the Resistance Fortress, is an homage to the movie "The Great Esacpe" and the scene where Steve McQueen jumps a barrier with a motorcycle.
There is as well as lot of imagery and referencing to Nazi Germany, like the mention of the "cattle cars" by the humans who were gathered up by the robots and taken to the evil "Terminator Central" (a concentration of humans, perhaps concentration camps?), the Resistance Commander and Resistance Central crews attire in the submarine sure looked like U-Boat uniforms from WWI and WWII uniforms to me.
Anyone else notice the nod in the credits at the very end to the Department of Defense and Air Force?
That's because the "Hunter/Killer" robots, the flying droids with VTOL, or the more commonly known Vertical Take-Off and Landing are actual devices that are being developed.
For those who don't know, Cyberdyne is an actual company in Japan, that makes a robotic exoskeleton and Skynet is a British military satellite system.
[edit on 24-5-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]
Dave, I loved "Terminator : Salvation" as it was a long awaited movie for myself as well as anyone who is a fan of all things "Terminator".
I noticed there were a lot of homage's to movies in the past, including scenes from the first three "Terminator" films (usually with guns, instead of politically)
The symbolism of man verses "The Machine" is unmistakable as a reference to the common man verses Government oppresion when anyone with intelligence tries to fight it.
The scene where Marcus Wright (mark us right, as in biochip tracking? Subliminal messaging about GPS syncing up with Digital Angel?) escapes from the Resistance Fortress, is an homage to the movie "The Great Esacpe" and the scene where Steve McQueen jumps a barrier with a motorcycle.
There is as well as lot of imagery and referencing to Nazi Germany, like the mention of the "cattle cars" by the humans who were gathered up by the robots and taken to the evil "Terminator Central" (a concentration of humans, perhaps concentration camps?), the Resistance Commander and Resistance Central crews attire in the submarine sure looked like U-Boat uniforms from WWI and WWII uniforms to me.
Anyone else notice the nod in the credits at the very end to the Department of Defense and Air Force?
That's because the "Hunter/Killer" robots, the flying droids with VTOL, or the more commonly known Vertical Take-Off and Landing are actual devices that are being developed.
For those who don't know, Cyberdyne is an actual company in Japan, that makes a robotic exoskeleton and Skynet is a British military satellite system.
[edit on 24-5-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]
reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 03:47 PM by 4N6310
I liked it in a Mad Max kinda way. Especially the chase scene starting at the gas station when the harvester showed up(minus the way Marcus was able
to fire up the truck, make a u-turn, open the gas valve and then start pushing the tank at the harvester without it being alerted to and blasting the
heck out of them before getting this all done, but I digress).
Pretty slick how the cycles deployed from the legs and the harvester connected to the transport like a transformer.
At the risk of looking totally stupid, I didn't expect to see Kyle Reese in the movie, although, I should have guessed and was glad they fleshed that story out.
True, one had to try hard to not laugh at some of the fictitious events that were very unlikely, but I was there to be entertained, not to believe.
They did a couple of columns over at IGN about the various terminator models over the history of the movie/TV franchise and at this point, there are almost too many to keep track of:
Article 1
Article 2
Add the other machines seen in flashbacks from the future humans, variations depicted in games etc and...well, yeah.
I doubt the robots needed humans for labor as much as bait and/or spare parts/raw material for their continual evolution towards the types being sent back in time to deal with the Connor situation. You know, bad breath, sweat, blood etc.
I felt like it was setting up another sequel and wouldn't be surprised if it took place during Kyle's evolution into the father he would become. Too much drama there for a screenwriter to ignore if you ask me and the future is far more striking than the present as far as entertainment goes.
They still need to 'flesh out' the human harvesting plot as well, so again it wouldn't shock me to see another future depiction.
As boring as it is, I started watching the TV series to catch up whatever story they were developing in the Terminator universe and find some of the developments they've made there quite interesting...especially the way the last episode ended.
I was disappointed with the way they tried weaving the California drone hoax into the story. Nice try guys, but you failed on that one.
Pretty slick how the cycles deployed from the legs and the harvester connected to the transport like a transformer.
At the risk of looking totally stupid, I didn't expect to see Kyle Reese in the movie, although, I should have guessed and was glad they fleshed that story out.
True, one had to try hard to not laugh at some of the fictitious events that were very unlikely, but I was there to be entertained, not to believe.
They did a couple of columns over at IGN about the various terminator models over the history of the movie/TV franchise and at this point, there are almost too many to keep track of:
Article 1
Article 2
Add the other machines seen in flashbacks from the future humans, variations depicted in games etc and...well, yeah.
I doubt the robots needed humans for labor as much as bait and/or spare parts/raw material for their continual evolution towards the types being sent back in time to deal with the Connor situation. You know, bad breath, sweat, blood etc.
I felt like it was setting up another sequel and wouldn't be surprised if it took place during Kyle's evolution into the father he would become. Too much drama there for a screenwriter to ignore if you ask me and the future is far more striking than the present as far as entertainment goes.
They still need to 'flesh out' the human harvesting plot as well, so again it wouldn't shock me to see another future depiction.
As boring as it is, I started watching the TV series to catch up whatever story they were developing in the Terminator universe and find some of the developments they've made there quite interesting...especially the way the last episode ended.
I was disappointed with the way they tried weaving the California drone hoax into the story. Nice try guys, but you failed on that one.
reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 04:07 PM by 4N6310
reply to post by Rhain
I think it was Reese that said "come with me if you want to live" to Marcus also.
Lots of references to the past Terminator movies, I thought.
Other little stuff like reminding us that magnets can be bad news for terminators, for example.
I think it was Reese that said "come with me if you want to live" to Marcus also.
Lots of references to the past Terminator movies, I thought.
Other little stuff like reminding us that magnets can be bad news for terminators, for example.
reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 04:13 PM by Dave Rabbit
reply to post by 4N6310
When The Sarah Connor Chronicles was cancelled, it really caught me off guard.... especially with the, at the time, soon to be released Terminator Salvation coming hot on it's heels.
Dave Sidebar: By the way, if you haven't had a chance to visit the Official Website, you don't know what you are missing. It is really unique and a wonderful exploratory website. End Dave Sidebar
... Back on point.... If anything, I would have thought that the almost a Vegas no brainer of success would have been a tremendous catalyst for TSCC.
I agree that there are sequels a comin' and I also agree that at some point, like Star Trek, who also has a wonderful exploratory site, will come full circle... ending with Kyle Reese going back to save Sarah Connor.
Hopefully I will be still breathing by then and can see it make that trip.
Dave
When The Sarah Connor Chronicles was cancelled, it really caught me off guard.... especially with the, at the time, soon to be released Terminator Salvation coming hot on it's heels.
Dave Sidebar: By the way, if you haven't had a chance to visit the Official Website, you don't know what you are missing. It is really unique and a wonderful exploratory website. End Dave Sidebar
... Back on point.... If anything, I would have thought that the almost a Vegas no brainer of success would have been a tremendous catalyst for TSCC.
I agree that there are sequels a comin' and I also agree that at some point, like Star Trek, who also has a wonderful exploratory site, will come full circle... ending with Kyle Reese going back to save Sarah Connor.
Hopefully I will be still breathing by then and can see it make that trip.
Dave
reply posted on 24-5-2009 @ 04:38 PM by 4N6310
reply to post by Dave Rabbit
They really woulda had to pick up the pace for TSCC to continue. As it was, I would only watch it online and skipped through each episode just to glean the plot items. The dialogue and drama was strung out way too much and went too slowly for my taste and the somber tone was mentally depressing.
You know what really tripped me out was the way they ended the last episode of TSCC...John and the Weaver-1000 time-traveling forward to meet the Reese brothers. WTH?
So I guess we'll never see how that plays out then, eh?
Also, I thought it was interesting(and annoying) that they sorta bit off the plot of Battlestar Galactica in that Connor asked the machines to join the humans.
Too late for that one to work, buddy.
They might see some success if they revamped it and started a Terminator: The John Connor chronicles.
Find the time machine and get back into the past where he belongs.
Time travel is so en-vogue lately, donchya think? It solves, yet creates so many complications.
They really woulda had to pick up the pace for TSCC to continue. As it was, I would only watch it online and skipped through each episode just to glean the plot items. The dialogue and drama was strung out way too much and went too slowly for my taste and the somber tone was mentally depressing.
You know what really tripped me out was the way they ended the last episode of TSCC...John and the Weaver-1000 time-traveling forward to meet the Reese brothers. WTH?
So I guess we'll never see how that plays out then, eh?
Also, I thought it was interesting(and annoying) that they sorta bit off the plot of Battlestar Galactica in that Connor asked the machines to join the humans.
Too late for that one to work, buddy.
They might see some success if they revamped it and started a Terminator: The John Connor chronicles.
Find the time machine and get back into the past where he belongs.
Time travel is so en-vogue lately, donchya think? It solves, yet creates so many complications.
reply posted on 25-5-2009 @ 02:14 PM by Dave Rabbit
reply to post by othello
Because Kyle Reese initially saved Sarah Connor, who gives birth to John Connor. Kill Kyle.... he doesn't save Sarah, who doesn't give birth to John.
Got it?
Dave
Because Kyle Reese initially saved Sarah Connor, who gives birth to John Connor. Kill Kyle.... he doesn't save Sarah, who doesn't give birth to John.
Got it?
Dave
reply posted on 26-5-2009 @ 04:00 PM by 4N6310
reply to post by Dave Rabbit
I think what he's talking about may be that the way the information on how John Connor was conceived and who his father was getting to Skynet has yet to be explained in any of the Terminator movies.
In every movie, terminators are sent into the past to kill either Sarah or John Connor, but nothing is sent into the future and they've never spent any time(that I can remember) explaining how Skynet would know that Kyle Reese came back into the past to save Sarah and impregnate her with Skynet's primary threat(John and the knowledge of future events).
The closest thing I've seen might be explained during Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but admittedly, I haven't seen em all, so I mighta missed something aside from what I mentioned earlier(Weaver and Connor traveling to the future).
My guess is it will be explained in a sequel?
I think what he's talking about may be that the way the information on how John Connor was conceived and who his father was getting to Skynet has yet to be explained in any of the Terminator movies.
In every movie, terminators are sent into the past to kill either Sarah or John Connor, but nothing is sent into the future and they've never spent any time(that I can remember) explaining how Skynet would know that Kyle Reese came back into the past to save Sarah and impregnate her with Skynet's primary threat(John and the knowledge of future events).
The closest thing I've seen might be explained during Terminator - The Sarah Connor Chronicles, but admittedly, I haven't seen em all, so I mighta missed something aside from what I mentioned earlier(Weaver and Connor traveling to the future).
My guess is it will be explained in a sequel?
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